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Since this thread is now huge and the internal links to frequently asked questions no longer work, here is a brief FAQ for newcomers to the Hermes Special Order process.

What are the current choices for "a la carte" Special Order bags?
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What is an Hermes Special Order?
Each year Hermes gives select clients the opportunity to customize a classic bag in a made-to-order a la carte process. This thread is only for bag A La Carte orders (please use the separate threads for watch SOs and shoe SOs). "A la carte", "SO" (special order), and "HSS" (horse shoe stamp) are used interchangeably on this forum.

When is the Special Order season?
Currently, there is one SO season each calendar year, opening around the middle of February and closing when slots run out or the end of December, whichever occurs first. New SO menus are typically leaked in February and remain constant until the following calendar year. Individual stores have complete discretion on when, within this window, they offer SO appointments to their clients.

Which specs can I customize?
Hermes defines which specs can be customized and these specs can change each SO season. Generally these specs include: leather type, leather color, and hardware color. At your SO appointment, your SA will present you will the limited menu of choices including bag types and sizes (Birkin 25, Kelly 28, etc), pre-set combination designs (line, verso, multico, etc), leather choices, leather colors, hardwares, and a map for which options can be selected for which bag type and size. Not all leathers and hardwares are allowed for all bag types and sizes.

Can I make physical changes to a bag definition during SO?
Sometimes clients would like to change a physical aspect of a bag, like increase the handle drop or add a pocket or a strap. Unfortunately, Hermes does not allow any type of alteration to the bag definition during SO. For extensive changes like these, a client would need to pursue a “Horizon order” which can be read about here.

How long will my SO take?
There is no way to predict how long a SO will take from placing the order to receipt of the finished product. Although Hermes has recently put forward efforts to fulfill a la carte orders within a year, it isn’t uncommon for bags to arrive in just a few months or also much longer than the year estimate.

Can my SA give me status my existing SO?
Unfortunately, the info that can be seen by SAs at the local store is very limited. They can generally see if the order is still outstanding (ie hasn’t been cancelled) but do not get status updates beyond that. Some stores will update clients when they get notice that a bag has been shipped from Paris but other stores wait until the bag is physically in store before alerting the client.

Do I need to place a deposit for SO?
In most regions of the world, a deposit is not required for SOs. However, some Asian and Middle Eastern locations do seem to request at least a partial deposit. Deposits may also be required in other regions if the SO selections are very personalized (ie if you have your personal initials hot stamped onto the bag) such that selling the bag to a different client, if the original client declines the bag, would be difficult.

Do I receive confirmation of my SO after placing my order?
In most regions of the world, the client gives their specifications to their SA and that is the last they hear about it until the bag arrives. Paris stores seem to be an exception to this and send the client a confirmation email within a few weeks of placing the order.

Is there a premium for a SO bag?
No, there is no premium price for SO bags. Their price is the same as any other standard stock bag of the same specifications at the time of delivery.

Is my SO a quota bag?
SO bags are generally counted toward a client’s two-bags-per-year limit at the time that the bag is received and paid for. If a client has already maxed out their quota bag allocation for the year, some stores will allow an exception to purchase your SO as a third bag for the year while other stores will require the customer to wait until a new calendar year before receiving the bag. These policies are subject to be changed per store at their convenience so it is always wise to check with your specific SA.

Where can I get ideas for my SO bag?
This thread shows unique combination bags and this thread shows contrasting stitching bags. Please consider posting your bag there once it arrives!

Where can I see historical SO menus?
2024 on post 21,296 page 1420 Feb 7, 2024
2023 on post 19,874 page 1325 Feb 3, 2023
2022 on post 17,729 page 1182 Sept 13, 2021
2021 on post 15,439 page 1030 Aug 16, 2020
2020 on post 13,222 page 882 Aug 8, 2019
2019 on post 10,472 page 699 Sept 10, 2018
2018 on post 7,687 page 513 Sept 15, 2017
2017 on post 4,749 page 317 Sept 26, 2016
 
First of all, please try to enjoy this process. It's really a special experience and your chance to create your dream bag and a unique heirloom simultaneously.

I am with you that Mini K does not need multico and IMO it's better verso. As long as you feel that you can and will get a Mini K at some point from your boutique (which if you've been offered SO you probably can) - I would go for K25. K25 is still small but much more useful than Mini K, and you have two B25s already. You can't do RGHW but you can do permabrass which is also lovely.

Gris T is fairly warm so would be a bit different from your Etoupe bag and of course very different from the Noir.

I choose chèvre every time for SO BUT yes, Gris T is different in chèvre than in Togo. Chèvre is more beige, Togo has more pink. It is still very beautiful in chèvre but I find it more...staid? neutral? Still, if you want sellier K it's chèvre or Epsom anyway and to me that is no choice at all. Chèvre is such a lovely leather.

A K25 sellier in any leather will hold its shape as there is a stiffening layer in the construction.

There have been a few GT/Nata combo bags posted and they are all insanely gorgeous.

Hope that helps?

@QuelleFromage , thank you as always!

I did not know K25 Sellier (and K20 as well) in any leather will hold its shape as there is a stiffening layer in the construction.
May I ask if B25 Retourne in Chevre, Togo, Clemence also have kind of construction as well to keep shape?(Sorry for my basic question)

I think I am so much in love with slightly pinkish tone of GT in Togo (perhaps in Clemence as well, but looks a bit darker tone? Togo GT is a bit more beige than Clemence?) and almost I might break my rule of my first PO to be sellier K.

If B25 retourne, which leather (togo, chevre and swift) is less slouchy?

I can see Clemence will be slouchy since it is heavy and soft, but how about Togo and Chevre? Since Togo is a bit lighter than Clemence, will it lose the shape in long term of B25?

Is Chevre best for keeping shape of B25 (obviously apart from Epsom Sellier and even Epsom retourne perhaps)?

(Ofc it depends on how owner use the bag, but in general.)

Most thing I do not enjoy in bag is slouchiness, but I am in love with GT in togo color with light pink stiching... :loveeyes: :heart:
 
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Help!
I’m considering a multico Kelly with permabrass hw.
I am wondering which of the following white would work w Mauve Pale Chèvres
- Mushroom
- Nata
- Gris Perle

And do all of these colors exists for Chèvres?

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
 
Help!
I’m considering a multico Kelly with permabrass hw.
I am wondering which of the following white would work w Mauve Pale Chèvres
- Mushroom
- Nata
- Gris Perle

And do all of these colors exists for Chèvres?

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
I believe mushroom isn’t available in chevre this year but the other two are
 
I believe mushroom isn’t available in chevre this year but the other two are
The current color chart may be found here: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-special-order-bags.797364/post-35512123

Nata and Gris Perle are available in Chèvre.
Thank you both for the info.
In this case, which would be a better match for Mauve Pale? Originally I thought Nata bc is warm tone and Gris Perle feel more colder tone. But Nata’s color feels a lot stronger than Mauve Pale, will it overpowered Mauve Pale? So hard to decide.
 
Was out of the blue offered an SO today by SA. Probably one of the hardest decisions of my life but went with Mini Kelly Mauve Sylvestre (primary) with Rouge Sellier (secondary) with Permabrass hardware and contrast stitching.
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7 months later, she has arrived :heart: MK Mauve Sylvestre Rouge Sellier Permabrass HW with constrast stitching!

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@QuelleFromage , thank you as always!

I did not know K25 Sellier (and K20 as well) in any leather will hold its shape as there is a stiffening layer in the construction.
May I ask if B25 Retourne in Chevre, Togo, Clemence also have kind of construction as well to keep shape?(Sorry for my basic question)

I think I am so much in love with slightly pinkish tone of GT in Togo (perhaps in Clemence as well, but looks a bit darker tone? Togo GT is a bit more beige than Clemence?) and almost I might break my rule of my first PO to be sellier K.

If B25 retourne, which leather (togo, chevre and swift) is less slouchy?

I can see Clemence will be slouchy since it is heavy and soft, but how about Togo and Chevre? Since Togo is a bit lighter than Clemence, will it lose the shape in long term of B25?

Is Chevre best for keeping shape of B25 (obviously apart from Epsom Sellier and even Epsom retourne perhaps)?

(Ofc it depends on how owner use the bag, but in general.)

Most thing I do not enjoy in bag is slouchiness, but I am in love with GT in togo color with light pink stiching... :loveeyes: :heart:
Hi, this is getting a little confusing, so I just wanted to clarify for you.

Sellier and Retourne (as I’m sure you already know) are the two forms of construction for Kelly bags and one of the differences is stitching on the outside (Sellier) vs on the inside (Retourne). Sellier has the stiffening layer; it is rigid (used to be called Rigide) with firm edges and Retourne is more relaxed. Each is currently made from different leathers (with exceptions). By the way, K20 is made only in Sellier.

Currently, Kelly Sellier is usually made with Chevre, Epsom, Tadelakt or Box. Most exotics are also used for Sellier. Retourne is often made with Togo, Clemence, Swift, etc. So there wouldn’t be an Epsom Retourne Kelly.

In the past, Togo was used for both Kelly Sellier and Retourne but not currently (to the best of my knowledge).

For Birkins, Sellier construction is pretty new, as it was introduced a few seasons ago. I guess because of that we don’t really refer to Birkin Sellier and Birkin Retourne, just Birkin and Birkin Sellier.

I believe the Birkin Sellier is only made with Epsom; everything else is just considered a Birkin, and in this case while Epsom is used for both, I should note that I have not seen many non-Sellier Epsom Birkins lately, so it could be that they are transitioning to Epsom being only used for Birkin Sellier.

Has anyone seen a Birkin Sellier made with a different leather? I want to say that I have, but I can’t quite recall.

Oh, and also, chevre is more rigid than togo. It is among the least likely to slouch off all the regular leathers. Swift gets slouchy.
 
Hi, this is getting a little confusing, so I just wanted to clarify for you.

Sellier and Retourne (as I’m sure you already know) are the two forms of construction for Kelly bags and one of the differences is stitching on the outside (Sellier) vs on the inside (Retourne). Sellier has the stiffening layer; it is rigid (used to be called Rigide) with firm edges and Retourne is more relaxed. Each is currently made from different leathers (with exceptions). By the way, K20 is made only in Sellier.

Currently, Kelly Sellier is usually made with Chevre, Epsom, Tadelakt or Box. Most exotics are also used for Sellier. Retourne is often made with Togo, Clemence, Swift, etc. So there wouldn’t be an Epsom Retourne Kelly.

In the past, Togo was used for both Kelly Sellier and Retourne but not currently (to the best of my knowledge).

For Birkins, Sellier construction is pretty new, as it was introduced a few seasons ago. I guess because of that we don’t really refer to Birkin Sellier and Birkin Retourne, just Birkin and Birkin Sellier.

I believe the Birkin Sellier is only made with Epsom; everything else is just considered a Birkin, and in this case while Epsom is used for both, I should note that I have not seen many non-Sellier Epsom Birkins lately, so it could be that they are transitioning to Epsom being only used for Birkin Sellier.

Has anyone seen a Birkin Sellier made with a different leather? I want to say that I have, but I can’t quite recall.

Oh, and also, chevre is more rigid than togo. It is among the least likely to slouch off all the regular leathers. Swift gets slouchy.
@Hermes Zen recently got a non-epsom B sellier. https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/share-your-2023-bag-offers.1057915/page-76#post-35623269
 
Hi, this is getting a little confusing, so I just wanted to clarify for you.

Sellier and Retourne (as I’m sure you already know) are the two forms of construction for Kelly bags and one of the differences is stitching on the outside (Sellier) vs on the inside (Retourne). Sellier has the stiffening layer; it is rigid (used to be called Rigide) with firm edges and Retourne is more relaxed. Each is currently made from different leathers (with exceptions). By the way, K20 is made only in Sellier.

Currently, Kelly Sellier is usually made with Chevre, Epsom, Tadelakt or Box. Most exotics are also used for Sellier. Retourne is often made with Togo, Clemence, Swift, etc. So there wouldn’t be an Epsom Retourne Kelly.

In the past, Togo was used for both Kelly Sellier and Retourne but not currently (to the best of my knowledge).

For Birkins, Sellier construction is pretty new, as it was introduced a few seasons ago. I guess because of that we don’t really refer to Birkin Sellier and Birkin Retourne, just Birkin and Birkin Sellier.

I believe the Birkin Sellier is only made with Epsom; everything else is just considered a Birkin, and in this case while Epsom is used for both, I should note that I have not seen many non-Sellier Epsom Birkins lately, so it could be that they are transitioning to Epsom being only used for Birkin Sellier.

Has anyone seen a Birkin Sellier made with a different leather? I want to say that I have, but I can’t quite recall.

Oh, and also, chevre is more rigid than togo. It is among the least likely to slouch off all the regular leathers. Swift gets slouchy.
Birkin Sellier is produced in a few leathers though for SO the only options are Epsom and Polished Croc.
 
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Hi, this is getting a little confusing, so I just wanted to clarify for you.

Sellier and Retourne (as I’m sure you already know) are the two forms of construction for Kelly bags and one of the differences is stitching on the outside (Sellier) vs on the inside (Retourne). Sellier has the stiffening layer; it is rigid (used to be called Rigide) with firm edges and Retourne is more relaxed. Each is currently made from different leathers (with exceptions). By the way, K20 is made only in Sellier.

Currently, Kelly Sellier is usually made with Chevre, Epsom, Tadelakt or Box. Most exotics are also used for Sellier. Retourne is often made with Togo, Clemence, Swift, etc. So there wouldn’t be an Epsom Retourne Kelly.

In the past, Togo was used for both Kelly Sellier and Retourne but not currently (to the best of my knowledge).

For Birkins, Sellier construction is pretty new, as it was introduced a few seasons ago. I guess because of that we don’t really refer to Birkin Sellier and Birkin Retourne, just Birkin and Birkin Sellier.

I believe the Birkin Sellier is only made with Epsom; everything else is just considered a Birkin, and in this case while Epsom is used for both, I should note that I have not seen many non-Sellier Epsom Birkins lately, so it could be that they are transitioning to Epsom being only used for Birkin Sellier.

Has anyone seen a Birkin Sellier made with a different leather? I want to say that I have, but I can’t quite recall.

Oh, and also, chevre is more rigid than togo. It is among the least likely to slouch off all the regular leathers. Swift gets slouchy.

Birkin Sellier also comes in Box calf, in Rouge H and Noir, in sizes 25 and 30 for both colors of Box. Of course, it cannot be SO'd.
 
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Hi, this is getting a little confusing, so I just wanted to clarify for you.

Sellier and Retourne (as I’m sure you already know) are the two forms of construction for Kelly bags and one of the differences is stitching on the outside (Sellier) vs on the inside (Retourne). Sellier has the stiffening layer; it is rigid (used to be called Rigide) with firm edges and Retourne is more relaxed. Each is currently made from different leathers (with exceptions). By the way, K20 is made only in Sellier.

Currently, Kelly Sellier is usually made with Chevre, Epsom, Tadelakt or Box. Most exotics are also used for Sellier. Retourne is often made with Togo, Clemence, Swift, etc. So there wouldn’t be an Epsom Retourne Kelly.

In the past, Togo was used for both Kelly Sellier and Retourne but not currently (to the best of my knowledge).

For Birkins, Sellier construction is pretty new, as it was introduced a few seasons ago. I guess because of that we don’t really refer to Birkin Sellier and Birkin Retourne, just Birkin and Birkin Sellier.

I believe the Birkin Sellier is only made with Epsom; everything else is just considered a Birkin, and in this case while Epsom is used for both, I should note that I have not seen many non-Sellier Epsom Birkins lately, so it could be that they are transitioning to Epsom being only used for Birkin Sellier.

Has anyone seen a Birkin Sellier made with a different leather? I want to say that I have, but I can’t quite recall.

Oh, and also, chevre is more rigid than togo. It is among the least likely to slouch off all the regular leathers. Swift gets slouchy.
They have Birkin Seiller in Box now. But I’m not sure if it is regular production
 
I didn’t have time to plan ahead as it was a total surprise. But probably a good thing, otherwise I probably couldn’t sleep for days. I went safe. Simply I haven’t seen a multicolour option that I like. I chose B30 verso with gris tourtelle outside and gold inside. Though I almost went with rose Mexico or lime inside. That would have been more fun I guess. But I simply went with my favourite colors on the list. Rose gold hardware. I’m a sucker for rose gold. It will be a very subtle SO, but the benefit of selecting a Birkin is that the horse shoe stamp will be directly visible.
 
While picking up my SO today, was told that due in part to high demand, they are no longer offering back-to-back SOs, that it’s now every 2yrs. So, since I placed my SO in 2022, I have to wait until next year to do another. No complaints from me since I was offered (and accepted) a QB a few weeks ago, but curious if anyone else has heard this?
 
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While picking up my SO today, was told that due in part to high demand, they are no longer offering back-to-back SOs, that it’s now every 2yrs. So, since I placed my SO in 2022, I have to wait until next year to do another. No complaints from me since I was offered (and accepted) a QB a few weeks ago, but curious if anyone else has heard this?
It’s a store by store decision (like most other H things) but definitely there is a push from corporate to extend SO offers to newer clients and to clients who have never done a SO before. As always, money can change everything.
 
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