Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves

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katgoldatx said:
Red scarf with no period after the F.
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To attempt a reply to at least a tiny part of your questions
1. Period in signature or not - yes, there are micro differences between exemplars of the same design, that does not mean one is a fake, this is particularly true of the older designs. Ex - see bottom right of galloon - over the Rs in the blue scarf for ex, the galloon has a bit of blue in it but I dont see that in the wine color
2. Can anyone resolve the authenticity issue for you ? Try a paid authentication service ... There is no published list of the micro differences and what they mean. And yes, different paid experts may have different opinions - see Orange Turandot thread - customer paid for 2 authentications - one said fake , the other real. Lots of good photos in that thread, better than I can repeat here.
3. Which cws in original issue? No definitive list exists and most sites only give the issue date and no conclusive opinion about which cw in which year. Ask at HSCI, but I don t think there is any attempt there to state that the blue cw is from 1963, only that the design was first done in 1963.
4. Experts can have different opinions on dates - note that lists at various sites have conflicting dates - you could email each site to find out their source.
5. You can ask Hermes via the Contact Us form on the web site. But, you will have to get in line behind me, they still have not answered my query from 3 weeks ago ...
6. Should you worry about a period ? My opinion - Hermes scarves should give you joy (where did I get that from ? lol) if you are worried about one of yours, then maybe it is not giving you joy ...
7. And best of all, lol. My 2006 post on my Ludovicus - too funny. I did not know how to take photos then and cropped off the signature - ergo, my comment that mine is unsigned. And I did not know how to find the copyright in those days. So, mine has signature & copyright. You cannot believe every thing on the web lol esp. old stuff
 
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marietouchet said:
To attempt a reply to at least a tiny part of your questions
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Oh my goodness, you are so sweet. It was such an unwieldy post. Thank you.

1. Okay, good to know. I guess that is because it is silkscreening by hand. I should expect little differences. This is very good to know. There is just so much to learn and I'm trying to not buy a million fakes as I begin to build my collection.

2. I bought it on eBay and have not received it yet. I might use a service, but I probably won't. I feel pretty well convinced that I purchased this from the original owner (well, her agent). She was an American in Paris because her father was a WWII 4 star general! She married in Paris in 1956 bought this scarf around that time. I don't know when she returned to the states. The story seems so honest, unless it's really odd when it arrives, I am going to believe it. I didn't know that story when I first posted here.

3. A-ha! That's why I can never figure this out. Thank you. This information will protect me from going bonkers.

4. Oy, with the poodles already!

5. Of course. Such a simple solution. Silly me.

6. I'm sure it will give me joy. And it's possible (just possible) that I will be going to Versailles in 2020. If I do, I will most certainly wear my Louis.

7. Bwhahhahhahahhahaha!!!! So good to hear. I took your post as golden. I still don't know how to always find the copyright; I guess that comes with experience.
 
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As to taking my post as golden ... I posted what I knew back then ... in good faith ... but we are all human - which is wny the various sites disagree ... We are lucky to have those sites like HSCI and I, for one, am thankful for it and others
If you are concerned about authenticity ask in the AT thread, before purchase, next time. It is SO MUCH easier before purchase. How do you tell someone - nicely - that they have a fake? Not possible ... Some people just dont take that well
And as to the backstory (American in Paris ...) oooohhh ... I dunno ... In this example, the lady was in Paris in 1956 - seven years before Ludovicus was designed ... hmmmm. Some buyers love the anecdotes - awesome. The oral anecdotes are not my thing. But far be it for me to say the story is bogus. To each his own. Different strokes...
 
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Jahna said:
A question: I have recently realized that each season is based on a "palette"; is there a place to find out about this?
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Some of the scarf palettes are shown in the recent season scarf threads eg 2019SS, 2018AW. But, only for the last couple of years.
Sorry I dont know exactly know where - try looking for color family ? I know that is a lot of acreage to cover, sorry ... I have no idea whether there are also leather palettes, diff ones for men, one unified palette for men, women, leather and silk (too much to ask for?) ... I did save a copy (from the 2019SS scarf thread) - cf infra - not that it is very big or useful, and it is the scarf palette (not a leather one).
But two points on the palettes
1. Bali Barrett admitted in an interview that Hermes colors are far from standardized eg there is no such thing as ONLY ONE Rouge H
2. OK, Hermes claims to always do its own thing - to heck with the Pantone color sets. And yes, the Hermes coral orange for 2019SS is slightly different from everybody else's. But, heck, IMHO, coral orange is the Pantone color of the year and there is not a lot of difference on the coral orange used for this season's Kitchen Aid stand mixer and the coral orange on some of the silks.
https://glowsly.com/pantone-spring-2019-colors-trends/
http://time.com/5456481/pantone-color-2019/
So, failing an Hermes palette you could look for the Pantone ones. They are in much larger and useful formats than the tee tiny thing that I saved.
 

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Thanks MT! Personally, I have always wanted my scarf to match my mixer, especially because the scarf gets caught when I am making cookies...
I think your observation, supported by Bali Barret's comment, that Hermès does its own thing, is most correct. From working in the fashion industry in NYC, I am used to color palettes being more or less sacred, but I can't imagine Hermès sticking to one slavishly since they have all those 1000s of colors to work with.

Anyway, I started a "color" thread a long time ago which has disappeared in the mists of time. Perhaps I will try to resurrect it.

Love your informative posts!
 
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Jahna said:
Thanks MT! Personally, I have always wanted my scarf to match my mixer, especially because the scarf gets caught when I am making cookies...
I think your observation, supported by Bali Barret's comment, that Hermès does its own thing, is most correct. From working in the fashion industry in NYC, I am used to color palettes being more or less sacred, but I can't imagine Hermès sticking to one slavishly since they have all those 1000s of colors to work with.

Anyway, I started a "color" thread a long time ago which has disappeared in the mists of time. Perhaps I will try to resurrect it.

Love your informative posts!
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Thank you - sometimes I wonder about droning on ...
I dont think any major fashion house totally ignores the Pantone colors, they all tweak them. But, the Barrett interview was worded as if they did ignore Pantone totally - an exaggeration?
Having 1000s of colors is not the issue IMHO. It is the rendering and the customer specification.and the artiste thing that results in different Rouge Hs.
Shipping labels, for ex, have to be in EXACT reddish Pantone color as measured with a colorimeter, believe it or not. The printer also has 1000s of colors so he can get it right and equipment manufacturers (that order the labels) do care about the color and demand the exact label color. So, shipping labels in my experience are always Pantone red 123456 because the customer REQUIRES it ( specified in the order) maybe for legal reasons.
Bali said there is no single Rouge H, even though it is a signature color. I bet it is hard to render the same red in leather and in silk, different dyes, different materials - it is hard to use a colorimeter on the the bumpy surface on leathers. So, they may start out specifying the same red Pantone 123456 for silk and leather,. But, my money is on their tweaking things along the way (that does not look right, I dont care that the colorimeter says they are the same ... ) - the artiste thing, and in the end, all the Rouge Hs are different as Bali said.
The printers have just as many colors as does Hermes ...
 
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I watched the 2019 Women's F/W Fashion show on the Hermès website; looks like we are in for darker, more subdued colors, deep magenta, dark blue etc. with the occasional neutral beige livened up by that lucious lemon yellow. Wonder if the scarves will follow? I loved the grayed forest green paired with the dark lavender and would love to see it put together with the lemon yellow for a scarf. I put a composite Pantone S/S colors on the color thread.

I probably should get off this thread as it is for "reference" rather than future speculation. But really MT, ramble on!!
 
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Jahna said:
Thanks MT! Personally, I have always wanted my scarf to match my mixer, especially because the scarf gets caught when I am making cookies...
I think your observation, supported by Bali Barret's comment, that Hermès does its own thing, is most correct. From working in the fashion industry in NYC, I am used to color palettes being more or less sacred, but I can't imagine Hermès sticking to one slavishly since they have all those 1000s of colors to work with.

Anyway, I started a "color" thread a long time ago which has disappeared in the mists of time. Perhaps I will try to resurrect it.

Love your informative posts!
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Jahna, thank you for resurrecting your "color" thread!
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-scarf-colors.818790/
 
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Jahna said:
Thanks MT! Personally, I have always wanted my scarf to match my mixer, especially because the scarf gets caught when I am making cookies...
I think your observation, supported by Bali Barret's comment, that Hermès does its own thing, is most correct. From working in the fashion industry in NYC, I am used to color palettes being more or less sacred, but I can't imagine Hermès sticking to one slavishly since they have all those 1000s of colors to work with.

Anyway, I started a "color" thread a long time ago which has disappeared in the mists of time. Perhaps I will try to resurrect it.

Love your informative posts!
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LOLOL matching scarf to kitchen appliances.
Please do resurrect your color thread! There is so much knowledge among people here about H colors past and present. Plus - I'm thinking EYE CANDY!!!
EDIT: hooray and thank you!!
 
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