Coach's Changing Terminology for FP Delete Bags

[CoachMaven]

I am so old I remember Coach before there were outlets - they were in malls in these really classy all wood stores that kinda looked like a drawing room. Then outlets came out and they were just filled with discontinued bags that had the bullseye in them - there were no "made for the outlet" bags - then MFF bags came out and they looked nothing like boutique bags, then outlet bags looked just a little like boutique bags - now they look almost exactly like boutique bags - so confusing.

I remember those stores! I also remember the outlets, when I first discovered them, had nothing but leather goods, no signature at all. And it was all what are now classic styles- Janice's Legacy, Penny, Duffles, hobos, Studio backpacks etc. I got my first Coach bag at the outlet, but it was in fact a delete from the prior season. I wasn't as into the boutique stores at the time because it was 2000, it was signature for days back then in the boutiques, and I've always preferred the leather.

 

[holiday123]

To me, the issue isn’t if a MFF bag is a quality bag, it’s that is deceitful to tell someone a bag is a 298$ bag when it was only ever 89$.

A boutique bag at 298$ cost 298$ unless there was PCE or it got clearances out via the outlets. I don’t have a great issue with this.

I have an issue with a bag coming out to the Boutique at $298 dollars and it selling and then Coach deciding to make the exact Same bag for the Outlet. Especially for the 1941 bags that we were told were going to be exclusive and limited. Heck, my boutique doesn’t even get any 1941 bags... so now even more the perception is going to be that it’s an MFF bag because it wasn’t even in the boutique, just the Outlet Sale.

And let’s be real... if they’re going to make an MFF Dinky, there is really nothing stopping them from doing an MFF Rogue...

Oh and yeah, still mad about the Outlet NASA collection too...

Ok, but they didn't make a MFF dinky. Their MFF "dinky" is the turnlock crossbody. The dinky in question is a 1941 dinky, all signs point to that including the 1941 markings and the lack of a dot on the "made in" tag. They must have made a boat load of them and they didn't sell at FP or SAS so they put a MFF storypatch on it at the factory and sent it to outlet. I don't know why they made that decision vs. bullseye stamping it. It's still the same glovetanned leather inside and out. Do you really think they would do a MFF with glovetanned leather and leather lining these days?

 

[katev]

Ok, but they didn't make a MFF dinky. Their MFF "dinky" is the turnlock crossbody. The dinky in question is a 1941 dinky, all signs point to that including the 1941 markings and the lack of a dot on the "made in" tag. They must have made a boat load of them and they didn't sell at FP or SAS so they put a MFF storypatch on it at the factory and sent it to outlet. I don't know why they made that decision vs. bullseye stamping it. It's still the same glovetanned leather inside and out. Do you really think they would do a MFF with glovetanned leather and leather lining these days?

The MFF Nomads were glove-tanned leather with leather lining.

 

[holiday123]

The MFF Nomads were glove-tanned leather with leather lining.

Nomads are not 1941 though or are they? Were they called nomads or mae? That whole thing was odd too. Curious do they have the dot on the made in tag?

 

[katev]

Nomads are not 1941 though or are they? Were they called nomads or mae? That whole thing was odd too. Curious do they have the dot on the made in tag?

Nomads were not 1941 but they were at the beginning of the higher-end bags with leather lining. I think of them as a precursor to the 1941 bags. I only have 2 FP delete nomads so I can't check tags for MFF markings.

But I remember that later they came out with the very similar MFF line that was a little different and made of pebbled leather, and I don't think that it was leather-lined but I am not sure.

Then they came out with a MFF line called Nomad, in a variety of colors including the burnished Nomads. These were glove-tanned and had leather lining and there was an F at the start of the style number, but I don't remember if there was a dot on the small tag and they didn't have a dustbag.

Maybe someone with a burnished Nomad could check the markings for us?

 

[holiday123]

Nomads were not 1941 but they were at the beginning of the higher-end bags with leather lining. I think of them as a precursor to the 1941 bags. I only have 2 FP delete nomads so I can't check tags for MFF markings.

But I remember that they came out with the very similar Mae line that was a little different and made of pebbled leather, and I don't think that it was leather-lined but I am not sure.

Then they came out with a MFF line called Nomad, in a variety of colors including the burnished Nomads. These were glove-tanned and had leather lining and there was an F at the start of the style number, but I don't remember if there was a dot on the small tag.

Maybe someone with a burnished Nomad could check the markings for us?

Yes, maybe that would help us decipher exactly what the heck is going on?

 

[katev]

I just posted loads of pics in the Outlet Spypics thread that I took today at the Rosemont IL Coach outlet. They had a lot of 1941 items for 50% off. Displayed with the 1941 items were the "split personality" Dinky bags that have a 1941 creed patch with an F in front of the style number, but no dot on the small tag, and no dustbag.

They were 50% off just like the other 1941 items with no extra discount offered.

 

[Chihua5]

Yes, maybe that would help us decipher exactly what the heck is going on?

I bought a burnished Nomad in the surplus color from the outlet. It doesn’t have the F in the creed and did come with the dustbag. The sign at the outlet called it the Mae but the tag on the bag had Nomad. They had this color along with black, burnished pink, and emerald green. I want to say the Nomads that showed up at the outlet follows the similar path these 1941 Dinky’s did. These Nomad were boutique bags, possibly overstock and relabeled as an outlet bag. They didn’t make any new colors, they were all the same colors that were originally sold at the boutique, they were simply renamed as “Mae”. I have 4 other Nomads which were bought at the boutique. I see no difference at all between these and my surplus color one.

They did make a similar style for the outlet with the pebble leather, I believe they were called the Harley?

 

[holiday123]

I just posted loads of pics in the Outlet Spypics thread that I took today at the Rosemont IL Coach outlet. They had a lot of 1941 items for 50% off. Displayed with the 1941 items were the "split personality" Dinky bags that have a 1941 creed patch with an F in front of the style number, but no dot on the small tag, and no dustbag.

They were 50% off just like the other 1941 items with no extra discount offered.

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Did the link ones have the F Creed too?

 

[katev]

Did the link ones have the F Creed too?

I don't remember, I didn't check all of them, sorry!

 

[Nancy in VA]

The MFF drifters were leather lined also

 

[Sol Ryan]

Ok, but they didn't make a MFF dinky. Their MFF "dinky" is the turnlock crossbody. The dinky in question is a 1941 dinky, all signs point to that including the 1941 markings and the lack of a dot on the "made in" tag. They must have made a boat load of them and they didn't sell at FP or SAS so they put a MFF storypatch on it at the factory and sent it to outlet. I don't know why they made that decision vs. bullseye stamping it. It's still the same glovetanned leather inside and out. Do you really think they would do a MFF with glovetanned leather and leather lining these days?

There are now F coded Dinkys. F code in the Style number means Made For Factory. To me it doesn’t matter if it was originally made for the boutique and they changed their minds. The code makes it a Factory bag. They could have left the F off the creed and put the bullseye on the tag and they didn’t. So yes, they are Made for Factory Dinkys. I felt the same way about the F coded Nomads. They’re not boutique bags that didn’t sell going to the outlet to be clearanced out. As far as I’m concerned, these are now Factory bags. :/

 

[BeachBagGal]

Ok, but they didn't make a MFF dinky. Their MFF "dinky" is the turnlock crossbody. The dinky in question is a 1941 dinky, all signs point to that including the 1941 markings and the lack of a dot on the "made in" tag. They must have made a boat load of them and they didn't sell at FP or SAS so they put a MFF storypatch on it at the factory and sent it to outlet. I don't know why they made that decision vs. bullseye stamping it. It's still the same glovetanned leather inside and out. Do you really think they would do a MFF with glovetanned leather and leather lining these days?

And to be more confusing they made a FP and an outlet version of the turnlock crossbodies (look similar to Dinkys).

 

[holiday123]

There are now F coded Dinkys. F code in the Style number means Made For Factory. To me it doesn’t matter if it was originally made for the boutique and they changed their minds. The code makes it a Factory bag. They could have left the F off the creed and put the bullseye on the tag and they didn’t. So yes, they are Made for Factory Dinkys. I felt the same way about the F coded Nomads. They’re not boutique bags that didn’t sell going to the outlet to be clearanced out. As far as I’m concerned, these are now Factory bags. :/

Whether a bulleye or F I couldn't care less. I buy a bag for the leather and style, not the status. I also buy pre-owned off eBay and am not ashamed to show off my pre-owned deals. Doesn't make me like it any less. It's funny how everyone knocks the outlet. So ok to buy a bag from the outlet as long as it wasn't made for the outlet? If you're saying you won't buy MFF because of the quality then that point is lost on those dinky's because they're the same bag as FP. I doubt someone is going to come up to you and ask to see the storypatch. I guess I'm not understanding the point. I buy a bag for me not strangers opinion of me.

 

[holiday123]

The MFF drifters were leather lined also

Are they 1941? I think the whole issue started with someone mad about a 1941 MFF line. Also curious if they have the dot of the made in tag?