Coach's Changing Terminology for FP Delete Bags

[katev]

For the Dinky look alike I think you mean the Riley? When I ordered from FOS, the Riley I received appeared to be a boutique bag (no F in serial no):

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No kisslock inside and it was fabric lined.
I think think they also sold this style at at department stores.

For the colorblock dinkys we have been debating, I think the point is that these are actually bags intended for the boutique despite the F in the serial no, so they are equivalent to buying a delete. They are not a MFF 1941 line. Even when you do buy a 1941 delete at the outlet its style number has an F added to it online.

Boutique bags are priced many times their manufacturing cost, so when you buy one at the outlet for 60% off you are paying closer to what the bag is worth in my opinion. So the full price of boutique bags (which is how they determine MSRP at the outlet) is also a scam, as Coach regularly has 20-50% off sales. Unless a bag goes out of stock, it seems to make more sense to just wait until the next sale.

Of course retail companies are in business to make money and the boutique bags start out at a high price, but the difference is that they are actually sold for that high price. It is the real original price and if you buy the bag when it is new, that is what you are likely to pay.

After a time, if you can get a discount on PCE or other sale that's great. And if the bag is deleted later then you would expect the price to go down because the bag is discontinued, it is no longer in season, and no longer offered at the full price in the boutique stores.

But the outlet stores start out by trying to deceive, they mark an MFF item up but never sell it at that price and they never planned to sell it at that price. The use the same brand name and logo and pretend that they are selling boutique bags. They are trying to trick people into thinking that they are getting a great bargain - and I don't like that ploy.

The case of the MFF dinky bags is confusing because it is a quality bag, but it just doesn't appeal to me because the 1941 bags were supposed to be so special and exclusive - but if it works for others, that's fine.

 

[CoachMaven]

Yes to each their own. Your money, your decision. Just so I can understand, if Coach were to take a rogue bag, pull out the original story patch and put in a F-creed, that is now MFF? Exactly the same bag, just a new storypatch. Its' quality has somehow been lowered or just the perceived value? Trying to understand why a marking has anything to do with quality. Is it because that dinky was sold at retail for $395 but marked as MFF and sold at 60% off that it's now perceived as a lower quality bag?

And I hope you're around for the next argument. It's nice people can have a debate and different opinions and not take it personally.

I don't look at it like that, I look at it as deceitful marketing practices. It also blurs the lines between factory and boutique. Why exactly should I buy in boutiques if the very same bag is being sold in the outlets at a discount? I thought that was one of the reasons Coach got into their financial mess several years ago when Krakoff left and Vevers took the helm. Vevers wanted to reign in the mass amounts of deletes heading to outlets each month. I remember getting pinnacle bags for 70-80% off. Those were the days! But it also made no financial sense for the company. So for me, I'd be disheartened to find a MFF Rogue because it is marketed to us as their premier line. Overstocks going there, no problem, but making a secondary version just doesn't sit well with me.

 

[holiday123]

Of course retail companies are in business to make money and the boutique bags start out at a high price, but the difference is that they are actually sold for that high price. It is the real original price and if you buy the bag when it is new, that is what you are likely to pay.

After a time, if you can get a discount on PCE or other sale that's great. And if the bag is deleted later then you would expect the price to go down because the bag is discontinued, it is no longer in season, and no longer offered at the full price in the boutique stores.

But the outlet stores start out by trying to deceive, they mark an item up but never sell it at that price and they never planned to sell it at that price. They are trying to trick people into thinking that they are getting a great bargain - and I don't like that ploy.

The case of the MFF dinky bags is confusing because it is a quality bag, but it just doesn't appeal to me because the 1941 bags were supposed to be so special and exclusive - but if it works for others, that's fine.

I think a lot of people are going to be upset because they thought the 1941 bags were supposed to be special and exclusive and the outlet is currently full of them. Just your amazing outlet has all those rogues up for grabs when before it was like you hit the jackpot if you found a rogue at the outlet. Before my outlet visit last week I hadn't been able to find a rogue there, but this time my store had a few different varieties to choose from. I've seen other 1941's, but never rogue because they were always limited quantity and grabbed up quickly.

Another sore subject is the dark fairytale items that everyone paid full price for since it was a limited run and they are at the outlets now too.

 

[katev]

I think a lot of people are going to be upset because they thought the 1941 bags were supposed to be special and exclusive and the outlet is currently full of them. Just your amazing outlet has all those rogues up for grabs when before it was like you hit the jackpot if you found a rogue at the outlet. Before my outlet visit last week I hadn't been able to find a rogue there, but this time my store had a few different varieties to choose from. I've seen other 1941's, but never rogue because they were always limited quantity and grabbed up quickly.

Another sore subject is the dark fairytale items that everyone paid full price for since it was a limited run and they are at the outlets now too.

I'm really happy when I find a boutique bag I love at the outlet at a reduced price. I think that's fine because it's usually from last season (or even longer!) discontinued overstock, and the boutiques are full of newer bags now - and they are usually few in number so you won't see them everywhere you go, And sometimes the outlet bags aren't in perfect condition because they were returns of floor models and that's fine if the price is right IMO.

It's when the make an identical (or near identical) MFF version of a boutique bag and sell it in mass quantities that bugs me.

 

[holiday123]

I don't look at it like that, I look at it as deceitful marketing practices. It also blurs the lines between factory and boutique. Why exactly should I buy in boutiques if the very same bag is being sold in the outlets at a discount? I thought that was one of the reasons Coach got into their financial mess several years ago when Krakoff left and Vevers took the helm. Vevers wanted to reign in the mass amounts of deletes heading to outlets each month. I remember getting pinnacle bags for 70-80% off. Those were the days! But it also made no financial sense for the company. So for me, I'd be disheartened to find a MFF Rogue because it is marketed to us as their premier line. Overstocks going there, no problem, but making a secondary version just doesn't sit well with me.

You'd buy at the boutique if you want to have the bag now in the color you want vs. months later taking the chance it shows up at outlet.

 

[holiday123]

I'm really happy when I find a boutique bag I love at the outlet at a reduced price. I think that's fine because it's usually from last season (or even longer!) discontinued overstock, and the boutiques are full of newer bags now - and they are usually few in number so you won't see them everywhere you go, And sometimes the outlet bags aren't in perfect condition because they were returns of floor models and that's fine if the price is right IMO.

It's when the make an identical (or near identical) MFF version of a boutique bag and sell it in mass quantities that bugs me.

Well that's not what this hybrid dinky is. It wasn't made in mass quantities.

I'm really happy when I find a boutique bag I love at the outlet at a reduced price. I think that's fine because it's usually from last season (or even longer!) discontinued overstock, and the boutiques are full of newer bags now - and they are usually few in number so you won't see them everywhere you go, And sometimes the outlet bags aren't in perfect condition because they were returns of floor models and that's fine if the price is right IMO.

It's when the make an identical (or near identical) MFF version of a boutique bag and sell it in mass quantities that bugs me.

I agree with all of that. I love finding deals!

 

[katev]

Well that's not what this hybrid dinky is. It wasn't made in mass quantities.

I agree with all of that. I love finding deals!

Maybe, but we don't really know what this Dinky is all about.

I love finding deals too! And I don't mind paying more for a bag that I really love if I get to enjoy sooner, before it goes to the outlet or the online outlet sale, months or a year later.

I got my oxblood prairie rivets rogue last year in early December during the holiday sale for a discounted price (30% off?) and I had the opportunity to enjoy and wear it all winter long when it was still rather new. Now the same bag is at the outlets at a better discount for 50% off - and that's okay - and I will still enjoy wearing mine again this winter!

 

[holiday123]

Maybe, but we don't really know what this Dinky is all about.

Lol I know - the mystery dinky. I did notice certain colors sold out and weren't restocked so it gives me hope that it wasn't mass produced as MFF. Maybe one day a Coach insider will spill the beans on exactly what is going on.

 

[meepabeep]

I saw several mystery Dinkys today. They're nice, but I'm bothered by that creed patch too. 1941 is supposed to be exclusive. That said, I do own 2 MFF bags (vs 12 FP), and 2 wristlets (my wallets). I've also had several in the past. But I'm spoiled by FP's (no 1941...yet), so I'll probably never buy an MFF bag again, unless it's in a thrift store and is super-cheap, and irresistible.

 

[LaVisioneer]

@whateve : I was with a friend they bought a Brooke carryall at the outlet for their mom who is out of the country. We asked for a box as it would be mailed there (Coach doesn't usually ship there) and she also gave us a dust bag. It's a larger version of the small bags they give with the keychains if you buy in person. It's like a white polyester material with a silky drawstring with the coach and carriage logo printed. I don't have a photo of the large version but I can take one of the small version. But I don't think they usually do this for the bags. So maybe she had a spare dust bag from some point in time I'm not sure. When I have ordered MFF bags from FOS they don't come with dust bags.

When I ordered a 1941 delete from FOS twice, the first bag did not have a dustbag and was not well wrapped and the second bag was well wrapped and came with a 1941 dustbag. I returned the one without the dustbag because the hardware looked mismatched to me.

 

[BeachBagGal]

Yes! I can't remember what they named it, do you? Didnt they do one called glovetanned crossbody and then recently another similar with a name? I don't follow MFF too much since the outlet is an hour away and all but 1 account is banned from FOS :/
I mean we know they've been doing that (knocking off themselves) for a while now - Phoebe, minetta, Kelsey, saddle and many more...but the MFF minetta felt nothing like my FP minetta so I'm guessing the others were lower quality too? I don't understand why they knock themselves off, but there's obviously a market for it or people wouldn't buy it and at the end of the day $ is why they produce goods, not our feelings.

The FP one is called Glovetanned Turnlock Crossbody. I have one. Trying to remember what they called the outlet ones on FOS. Ah that’s gonna bug me. It was a name. Nothing that matched up. Hmmm. Maybe someone else knows.

 

[BeachBagGal]

For the Dinky look alike I think you mean the Riley? When I ordered from FOS, the Riley I received appeared to be a boutique bag (no F in serial no):

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No kisslock inside and it was fabric lined.
I think think they also sold this style at at department stores.

For the colorblock dinkys we have been debating, I think the point is that these are actually bags intended for the boutique despite the F in the serial no, so they are equivalent to buying a delete. They are not a MFF 1941 line. Even when you do buy a 1941 delete at the outlet its style number has an F added to it online.

Boutique bags are priced many times their manufacturing cost, so when you buy one at the outlet for 60% off you are paying closer to what the bag is worth in my opinion. So the full price of boutique bags (which is how they determine MSRP at the outlet) is also a scam, as Coach regularly has 20-50% off sales. Unless a bag goes out of stock, it seems to make more sense to just wait until the next sale.

I do know that they had the FP dept store turnlock ones, but then they threw some up on FOS that were colorblock and other colors that I’m certain were outlet bags. Some of the FP ended up as deletes on FOS and others were outlet ones.

Man it’s exhausting trying to keep up with Coach. [emoji12]

 

[BeachBagGal]

The FP one is called Glovetanned Turnlock Crossbody.l.

 

[holiday123]

The FP one is called Glovetanned Turnlock Crossbody. I have one. Trying to remember what they called the outlet ones on FOS. Ah that’s gonna bug me. It was a name. Nothing that matched up. Hmmm. Maybe someone else knows.

I think someone has it and it's not marked at MFF either and they said maybe Riley?

 

[holiday123]

I do know that they had the FP dept store turnlock ones, but then they threw some up on FOS that were colorblock and other colors that I’m certain were outlet bags. Some of the FP ended up as deletes on FOS and others were outlet ones.

Man it’s exhausting trying to keep up with Coach. [emoji12]

So true. Remember all the saddle bags? 1941 saddle, 1941saddle 23, department store saddle and department store tiny saddle (17?) then MFF saddle in a bunch of sizes. Geesh.