Coach's Changing Terminology for FP Delete Bags

[holiday123]

And to be more confusing they made a FP and an outlet version of the turnlock crossbodies (look similar to Dinkys).

Yes! I can't remember what they named it, do you? Didnt they do one called glovetanned crossbody and then recently another similar with a name? I don't follow MFF too much since the outlet is an hour away and all but 1 account is banned from FOS :/
I mean we know they've been doing that (knocking off themselves) for a while now - Phoebe, minetta, Kelsey, saddle and many more...but the MFF minetta felt nothing like my FP minetta so I'm guessing the others were lower quality too? I don't understand why they knock themselves off, but there's obviously a market for it or people wouldn't buy it and at the end of the day $ is why they produce goods, not our feelings.

 

[Sol Ryan]

Whether a bulleye or F I couldn't care less. I buy a bag for the leather and style, not the status. I also buy pre-owned off eBay and am not ashamed to show off my pre-owned deals. Doesn't make me like it any less. It's funny how everyone knocks the outlet. So ok to buy a bag from the outlet as long as it wasn't made for the outlet? If you're saying you won't buy MFF because of the quality then that point is lost on those dinky's because they're the same bag as FP. I doubt someone is going to come up to you and ask to see the storypatch. I guess I'm not understanding the point. I buy a bag for me not strangers opinion of me.

That’s fine. You buy your bags for your reasons, and I’ll buy my bags for mine. I do buy my bags as status symbols. That is why I buy deletes from the Outlet. I can buy a bag that has a much higher value than a Factory bag and thus I can keep up with the Joneses a bit easier.

I have no problem with Pre-owned, I have a few pre-owned bags, actually I’m carry my Pre-Loved PS1 at the moment. I can get the look I need at a price point I can afford.

MFF to me is a scam, it always has been. The 298$ MFF bag was never 298$, so Coach gives people the idea they are getting a good deal on a bag and it’s a lie. It’s not marketing, it’s a straight up lie. Its even the same witty the F-coded Dinky. It was only ever 50% off MSRP. It was never a full price boutique bag.
I get so much crap from my friends because I preached the Church of Coach to them and then their MFF bags fall apart and they don’t know the difference. I have to constantly teach the difference between full price and Factory.

Also, I don’t know if it’s true under the new warranty, but under the old lifetime one, Coach didn’t care if you bought your delete at the outlet. If a boutique bag was damaged, your got the Full Price of the bag in credit. Most any of my friends ever got was what they paid in credit for their damaged factory bags and they had to pay to send them back to Jax, I never did. Made a tidy bit in Credit with the Legacy Collection’s edge paint issues. Most of my friends when they had edge issues with MFF were told it was wear and tear. My bags were always given store credit.

So to each their own, this isn’t the first time this argument has happened on this board. It happened with the Peyton, and a few other times since, so I’m sure it won’t be the last, but hopefully this time I’ll hold fast and it’s the last time I’m in it.... :/ I keep falling for it tho, so I’ll probably be here for the next one...

 

[holiday123]

That’s fine. You buy your bags for your reasons, and I’ll buy my bags for mine. I do buy my bags as status symbols. That is why I buy deletes from the Outlet. I can buy a bag that has a much higher value than a Factory bag and thus I can keep up with the Joneses a bit easier.

I have no problem with Pre-owned, I have a few pre-owned bags, actually I’m carry my Pre-Loved PS1 at the moment. I can get the look I need at a price point I can afford.

MFF to me is a scam, it always has been. The 298$ MFF bag was never 298$, so Coach gives people the idea they are getting a good deal on a bag and it’s a lie. It’s not marketing, it’s a straight up lie. Its even the same witty the F-coded Dinky. It was only ever 50% off MSRP. It was never a full price boutique bag.
I get so much crap from my friends because I preached the Church of Coach to them and then their MFF bags fall apart and they don’t know the difference. I have to constantly teach the difference between full price and Factory.

Also, I don’t know if it’s true under the new warranty, but under the old lifetime one, Coach didn’t care if you bought your delete at the outlet. If a boutique bag was damaged, your got the Full Price of the bag in credit. Most any of my friends ever got was what they paid in credit for their damaged factory bags and they had to pay to send them back to Jax, I never did. Made a tidy bit in Credit with the Legacy Collection’s edge paint issues. Most of my friends when they had edge issues with MFF were told it was wear and tear. My bags were always given store credit.

So to each their own, this isn’t the first time this argument has happened on this board. It happened with the Peyton, and a few other times since, so I’m sure it won’t be the last, but hopefully this time I’ll hold fast and it’s the last time I’m in it.... :/ I keep falling for it tho, so I’ll probably be here for the next one...

Yes to each their own. Your money, your decision. Just so I can understand, if Coach were to take a rogue bag, pull out the original story patch and put in a F-creed, that is now MFF? Exactly the same bag, just a new storypatch. Its' quality has somehow been lowered or just the perceived value? Trying to understand why a marking has anything to do with quality. Is it because that dinky was sold at retail for $395 but marked as MFF and sold at 60% off that it's now perceived as a lower quality bag?

And I hope you're around for the next argument. It's nice people can have a debate and different opinions and not take it personally.

 

[katev]

That’s fine. You buy your bags for your reasons, and I’ll buy my bags for mine. I do buy my bags as status symbols. That is why I buy deletes from the Outlet. I can buy a bag that has a much higher value than a Factory bag and thus I can keep up with the Joneses a bit easier.

I have no problem with Pre-owned, I have a few pre-owned bags, actually I’m carry my Pre-Loved PS1 at the moment. I can get the look I need at a price point I can afford.

MFF to me is a scam, it always has been. The 298$ MFF bag was never 298$, so Coach gives people the idea they are getting a good deal on a bag and it’s a lie. It’s not marketing, it’s a straight up lie. Its even the same witty the F-coded Dinky. It was only ever 50% off MSRP. It was never a full price boutique bag.
I get so much crap from my friends because I preached the Church of Coach to them and then their MFF bags fall apart and they don’t know the difference. I have to constantly teach the difference between full price and Factory.

Also, I don’t know if it’s true under the new warranty, but under the old lifetime one, Coach didn’t care if you bought your delete at the outlet. If a boutique bag was damaged, your got the Full Price of the bag in credit. Most any of my friends ever got was what they paid in credit for their damaged factory bags and they had to pay to send them back to Jax, I never did. Made a tidy bit in Credit with the Legacy Collection’s edge paint issues. Most of my friends when they had edge issues with MFF were told it was wear and tear. My bags were always given store credit.

So to each their own, this isn’t the first time this argument has happened on this board. It happened with the Peyton, and a few other times since, so I’m sure it won’t be the last, but hopefully this time I’ll hold fast and it’s the last time I’m in it.... :/ I keep falling for it tho, so I’ll probably be here for the next one...

Yes to each their own. Your money, your decision. Just so I can understand, if Coach were to take a rogue bag, pull out the original story patch and put in a F-creed, that is now MFF? Exactly the same bag, just a new storypatch. Its' quality has somehow been lowered or just the perceived value? Trying to understand why a marking has anything to do with quality. Is it because that dinky was sold at retail for $395 but marked as MFF and sold at 60% off that it's now perceived as a lower quality bag?

And I hope you're around for the next argument. It's nice people can have a debate and different opinions and not take it personally.

I understand both viewpoints and I am conflicted but I have never bought (and kept) an MFF bag, even if I liked it and it appeared to be good quality. I've taken a couple of them home in the past, only to bring them back.

Buying a genuine boutique bag makes me feel "special" and if I get it at a good price it makes me feel "lucky, smart, and special!" Buying an MFF bag makes me feel "ordinary and practical" and that is not what I want to get out of an expensive bag.

My objection to the MFF bags is similar to @Sol Ryan, the MFF bags feel deceitful to me, They use the same name and same logo (sometimes the same "C" pattern) for a lower value product - and then they mark it up just so that they can immediately mark it down, and make people think that it is a fabulous bargain.

If those Dinkys are just overstocked boutique bags that have been marked down, why did they modify the style number, and why don't they come with a dustbag?

These split personality bags also feel deceitful to me but in the opposite way from the usual MFF bags. At my outlet they are displayed with the other FP delete 1941 bags, and sold for the same 50% markdown as the FP delete bags - so people are being tricked into thinking you are getting a genuine boutique bag - but it is "an almost but not quite a boutique bag" - so that makes it "a little less special" and it reduces the value of the item in my mind.

But to each their own decision - enjoy your bags!

 

[LaVisioneer]

For the Dinky look alike I think you mean the Riley? When I ordered from FOS, the Riley I received appeared to be a boutique bag (no F in serial no):



No kisslock inside and it was fabric lined.
I think think they also sold this style at at department stores.

For the colorblock dinkys we have been debating, I think the point is that these are actually bags intended for the boutique despite the F in the serial no, so they are equivalent to buying a delete. They are not a MFF 1941 line. Even when you do buy a 1941 delete at the outlet its style number has an F added to it online.

Boutique bags are priced many times their manufacturing cost, so when you buy one at the outlet for 60% off you are paying closer to what the bag is worth in my opinion. So the full price of boutique bags (which is how they determine MSRP at the outlet) is also a scam, as Coach regularly has 20-50% off sales. Unless a bag goes out of stock, it seems to make more sense to just wait until the next sale.

Yes! I can't remember what they named it, do you? Didnt they do one called glovetanned crossbody and then recently another similar with a name? I don't follow MFF too much since the outlet is an hour away and all but 1 account is banned from FOS :/
I mean we know they've been doing that (knocking off themselves) for a while now - Phoebe, minetta, Kelsey, saddle and many more...but the MFF minetta felt nothing like my FP minetta so I'm guessing the others were lower quality too? I don't understand why they knock themselves off, but there's obviously a market for it or people wouldn't buy it and at the end of the day $ is why they produce goods, not our feelings.

 

[LaVisioneer]

I ordered the same style delete 1941 bag twice and one came with a dust bag, one did not. I think dust bags are hit or miss with deletes. In this case, since they rebranded the Dinkys intended for boutiques, they would not have bothered to make more 1941 dustbags.

Last time I went to the outlet I person they gave me an outlet dustbag for a MFF bag but I think I had to ask for one.

Kate Spade CS told me they are stopping dustbags to reduce manufacturing costs and environmental impact, so since Coach is also under Tapestry I suspect they will do the same at least for the outlets.

I understand both viewpoints and I am conflicted but I have never bought (and kept) an MFF bag, even if I liked it and it appeared to be good quality. I've taken a couple of them home in the past, only to bring them back.

Buying a genuine boutique bag makes me feel "special" and if I get it at a good price it makes me feel "lucky, smart, and special!" Buying an MFF bag makes me feel "ordinary and practical" and that is not what I want to get out of an expensive bag.

My objection to the MFF bags is similar to @Sol Ryan, the MFF bags feel deceitful to me, They use the same name and same logo (sometimes the same "C" pattern) for a lower value product - and then they mark it up just so that they can immediately mark it down, and make people think that it is a fabulous bargain.

If those Dinkys are just overstocked boutique bags that have been marked down, why did they modify the style number, and why don't they come with a dustbag?

These split personality bags also feel deceitful to me but in the opposite way from the usual MFF bags. At my outlet they are displayed with the other FP delete 1941 bags, and sold for the same 50% markdown as the FP delete bags - so people are being tricked into thinking you are getting a genuine boutique bag - but it is "an almost but not quite a boutique bag" - so that makes it "a little less special" and it reduces the value of the item in my mind.

But to each their own decision - enjoy your bags!

 

[whateve]

I ordered the same style delete 1941 bag twice and one came with a dust bag, one did not. I think dust bags are hit or miss with deletes. In this case, since they rebranded the Dinkys intended for boutiques, they would not have bothered to make more 1941 dustbags.

Last time I went to the outlet I person they gave me an outlet dustbag for a MFF bag but I think I had to ask for one.

Kate Spade CS told me they are stopping dustbags to reduce manufacturing costs and environmental impact, so since Coach is also under Tapestry I suspect they will do the same at least for the outlets.

I've never heard of outlet dustbags. Do they make special dustbags for outlet bags now?

 

[whateve]

Whether a bulleye or F I couldn't care less. I buy a bag for the leather and style, not the status. I also buy pre-owned off eBay and am not ashamed to show off my pre-owned deals. Doesn't make me like it any less. It's funny how everyone knocks the outlet. So ok to buy a bag from the outlet as long as it wasn't made for the outlet? If you're saying you won't buy MFF because of the quality then that point is lost on those dinky's because they're the same bag as FP. I doubt someone is going to come up to you and ask to see the storypatch. I guess I'm not understanding the point. I buy a bag for me not strangers opinion of me.

I completely agree.

Yes! I can't remember what they named it, do you? Didnt they do one called glovetanned crossbody and then recently another similar with a name? I don't follow MFF too much since the outlet is an hour away and all but 1 account is banned from FOS :/
I mean we know they've been doing that (knocking off themselves) for a while now - Phoebe, minetta, Kelsey, saddle and many more...but the MFF minetta felt nothing like my FP minetta so I'm guessing the others were lower quality too? I don't understand why they knock themselves off, but there's obviously a market for it or people wouldn't buy it and at the end of the day $ is why they produce goods, not our feelings.

I've tried to get the outlet version of a bag I really like, like Isabelle, but the leather was so disappointing. I bought the mff Kelsey in that gorgeous purple iris but ended up returning because I couldn't get past the bad leather. The 2013 MFF Zoe was a huge disappointment. I don't think this was always the case. When I first started buying Coach, it seems that there were bags at the outlet that were similar quality but maybe didn't have as much embellishment as full price bags. Or maybe my taste has become more refined. I remember an SA at the outlet back around 2010 telling me that the leather used in MFF bags was different, but not of lesser quality.

 

[Nancy in VA]

I've never heard of outlet dustbags. Do they make special dustbags for outlet bags now?

No - outlet bags do not have dustbags - I think the poster was just stating that boutique deletes at the outlet usually have dustbags but sometime do not.

 

[holiday123]

I completely agree.

I've tried to get the outlet version of a bag I really like, like Isabelle, but the leather was so disappointing. I bought the mff Kelsey in that gorgeous purple iris but ended up returning because I couldn't get past the bad leather. The 2013 MFF Zoe was a huge disappointment. I don't think this was always the case. When I first started buying Coach, it seems that there were bags at the outlet that were similar quality but maybe didn't have as much embellishment as full price bags. Or maybe my taste has become more refined. I remember an SA at the outlet back around 2010 telling me that the leather used in MFF bags was different, but not of lesser quality.

2 mff bags I really liked the leather on were my MFF Carly and my MFF perforated Carly tote. I bought those right around the time FOS was first created and it seemed like the outlets were getting nicer leather bags. Then came the cross-grain and I stopped buying MFF and started becoming aware of the deletes and sought them out.

 

[Newpurselove]

The qualify of the dinky is there- to me it looks an feels exactly as all of my other 1941 bags do so I will keep it for sure.
I understand the conflicted feelings- I never buy mff- only deletes.
But...in this case it is very obvious to me this was a boutique bag retagged and I'm not looking at resale or status etc. I just wanted a dinky in my collection. I hope this is not a new trend in how coach is handling the deletes because as stated above- this will irritate a lot of people.

 

[katev]

I've never heard of outlet dustbags. Do they make special dustbags for outlet bags now?

Most of the FP deletes that I've purchased from the outlet (and there's been a lot of them!) came with their original dustbag. A few times I found a great bag in clearance at a great price but it didn't have the dustbag, I figure that they were probably returns that came back without their dustbags.

 

[whateve]

Most of the FP deletes that I've purchased from the outlet (and there's been a lot of them!) came with their original dustbag. A few times I found a great bag in clearance at a great price but it didn't have the dustbag, I figure that they were probably returns that came back without their dustbags.

The person I was responding to said she got a dustbag for a MFF bag, and she referred to the dustbag as a MFF dustbag, so I wondered if there were MFF dustbags now. I've bought deletes at the outlet that had the dustbag they removed when I paid. There was a time when they figured you didn't deserve a dustbag if you were buying at a discount.

 

[holiday123]

Most of the FP deletes that I've purchased from the outlet (and there's been a lot of them!) came with their original dustbag. A few times I found a great bag in clearance at a great price but it didn't have the dustbag, I figure that they were probably returns that came back without their dustbags.

If I buy a delete from the outlet I will go through and look for the dustbag. If it doesn't have one of will look through other bags until I find one. My last FOS order 2 out of 3 deletes were missing a dustbag.

 

[katev]

The person I was responding to said she got a dustbag for a MFF bag, and she referred to the dustbag as a MFF dustbag, so I wondered if there were MFF dustbags now. I've bought deletes at the outlet that had the dustbag they removed when I paid. There was a time when they figured you didn't deserve a dustbag if you were buying at a discount.

The practice must vary by outlet, most FP deletes have dustbags at my usual outlet, and the FP deletes that I posted in the Outlet Spypics thread yesterday came with dustbags, except for the Dinky bags that sparked this discussion.

The only "outlet dustbags" I've ever seen are those flimsy, small, muslin bags they use for jewelry and small items at the outlets.