Well, that implies it isn't MFF. We've seen similar things before. I agree that the patches were probably replaced after the bags were made. Probably to prevent people trying to return them to boutiques for full price refunds.
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That makes sense, but wouldn’t the usual stamp on the creed patch have sufficed?
I think that stamping the creed with a bullseye would serve the same purpose of keeping customers from returning a bag for a full price refund - and that's their current process - rather than creating a special MFF creed patch.
And it would make more sense (to me, anyway!) if they planned to mark-down an overproduction of some boutique items with a bullseye and send them directly to the outlet at clearance prices. Rather than cheapening the value of their premier 1941 line by creating a MFF version and offering it immediately at outlet clearance prices.
I think the difference is that these were still at the factory when they made the decision to sell them at outlets.
Well this thread made me decide to send the 1941 red Dinky I got from the factory sale back. I ended up ordering a bordeaux one last night when the 12% e-bates came up again because I really want a dark red one. The chalk on the factory one didn't thrill me anyway.
I think I remember these colorblock dinkys being on sale during the 50% off sale in the May/June timeframe.
I wonder if they had a batch that was not fully completed as others have said and since these did not sell out during the SAS, they completed the plant codes with an F and sent them to the outlets.
I have only ordered deletes recently from FOS and so far none of them had an F in the serial number, but none of the bags were currently being sold by the boutiques (like the Dinky and Drifter) at the time. None of them had the bullet stamp either.
It seems plausible that could have happened with the drifters too; they had extra but they didn't sell as quickly as expected so the unfinished ones were branded for the outlets instead.
I wonder if they had a batch that was not fully completed as others have said and since these did not sell out during the SAS, they completed the plant codes with an F and sent them to the outlets.
I have only ordered deletes recently from FOS and so far none of them had an F in the serial number, but none of the bags were currently being sold by the boutiques (like the Dinky and Drifter) at the time. None of them had the bullet stamp either.
It seems plausible that could have happened with the drifters too; they had extra but they didn't sell as quickly as expected so the unfinished ones were branded for the outlets instead.
Ya know, I’ve been an almost exclusively Coach shopper for 16+ years and a Factory 1941 bag might be the one that finally breaks me. The Factory Red Patent Peytons version of the supposed Bleecker Street limited Edition Red Patent Peytons didn’t get me. I stuck around through the factory Legacy bags and the Factory Brooklyn that looked just like the original and all the Disney and Peanuts lines that can’t seem to decide if they’re Factory or Full-Price. I stayed through the bags they just changed the name of and made an exact copy of the full price bag, but I think I’m finally tired of the Coach “This is a boutique bag and it’s limited edition and not going to outlets mess”.
If they’re going to create 1941 for the outlet, what’s the point of limiting 1941 at all? Let all the boutiques get the bags instead of making me order everything. Just lower the price point to where everyone can buy it because it’s no longer exclusive. It’s not even the thrill of the hunt anymore to try to find a delete at the outlet if there’s a mass produced Factory Version that looks exactly like the Retail one. Go ahead and Make the Factory Rogue, it’s over anyway... people are just going to think it’s a Factory bag that cost sub-200$.
Sorry for the rant, but I just feel like the loyal Coach Customer got burned again by Coach...
If they’re going to create 1941 for the outlet, what’s the point of limiting 1941 at all? Let all the boutiques get the bags instead of making me order everything. Just lower the price point to where everyone can buy it because it’s no longer exclusive. It’s not even the thrill of the hunt anymore to try to find a delete at the outlet if there’s a mass produced Factory Version that looks exactly like the Retail one. Go ahead and Make the Factory Rogue, it’s over anyway... people are just going to think it’s a Factory bag that cost sub-200$.
Sorry for the rant, but I just feel like the loyal Coach Customer got burned again by Coach...
You are so spot on!!! I feel exactly the same though I have only been with Coach 2 years after 20+ at Mulberry. I hate the new Mulberry stuff and was so pleased to find Coach but their marketing approach stinks and the outlet stuff is not for me so think I'm done
I've always felt that Coach should have created a completely separate line with a different name for their more affordable Made for Factory bags. Something similar to "Marc by Marc Jacobs" and "MICHAEL Michael Kors". Other luxury goods have done the same thing, even housewares like "Marquis by Waterford Crystal".
They could have called it something like Carriage by COACH - or something better - a marketing person could come up with a good name! The current system is a bit dishonest, you have to know the "codes" to see if you are getting the real thing!
I bought my first Coach bag at the boutique store and I loved it, and I was so excited when I discovered the outlet and brought my second bag home. I figured it was all just discontinued overstock but I soon realized that the outlet sales volume was just too big for that to be true. After I got home I was confused because my outlet bag was nice but it just wasn't as "special" as my first bag.
That's when I got online and discovered TPF and learned about the existence of 2 grades of Coach products. I felt a bit cheated and I took my new MFF bag straight back for a return. I have nothing against outlet products, I have purchased some lovely MFF items, mostly accessories - but I want my designer bags to be the real deal!
Plus, Coach is just cheapening the value of their product by using the identical name and logo for their less expensive line IMO. I thought that was what 1941 was supposed to address - but apparently the company is just too schizophrenic to make a decision and stick with it!
They could have called it something like Carriage by COACH - or something better - a marketing person could come up with a good name! The current system is a bit dishonest, you have to know the "codes" to see if you are getting the real thing!
I bought my first Coach bag at the boutique store and I loved it, and I was so excited when I discovered the outlet and brought my second bag home. I figured it was all just discontinued overstock but I soon realized that the outlet sales volume was just too big for that to be true. After I got home I was confused because my outlet bag was nice but it just wasn't as "special" as my first bag.
That's when I got online and discovered TPF and learned about the existence of 2 grades of Coach products. I felt a bit cheated and I took my new MFF bag straight back for a return. I have nothing against outlet products, I have purchased some lovely MFF items, mostly accessories - but I want my designer bags to be the real deal!
Plus, Coach is just cheapening the value of their product by using the identical name and logo for their less expensive line IMO. I thought that was what 1941 was supposed to address - but apparently the company is just too schizophrenic to make a decision and stick with it!
Ya know if they did the secondary outlet line I could be happy with that. I liked the idea of the Poppy Line a few years back for that reason. They were younger and cheaper (except the Spotlights).
If they did that for the outlet, there would be no complaint from me. The market is so flooded with the Factory Bags that people don’t understand when I carry my Anna Sui Coach or the Editorial bags and I baby them because they think they’re cheap bags. It’s so frustrating.
I bought in on the 1941 Exclusiveness when it came out, especially when bags started selling out. Now I feel like for the most part the supply of 1941 bags is plentiful... the bags I buy from the Boutique keep showing up st the outlets or Nordstrom Rack for 60-70% off, why pay retail or even 30% off retail (if the bag isn’t part of some random exclusion (don’t even get me started on that..))?
I still don’t get the current Minnie Mouse collection Outlet to Full Price route, same with the Keith Haring Full Price to Outlet back to Full Price and Back to Outlet marketing strategies.
Are we to expect full price Pepsi/Bazooka Gum and Fisher Price collections soon?
I liked the idea of 1941 when it came out, I could
live with the higher price point for a nicer limited release bag that wasn’t going to the outlet for an extended period but if they’re going to fall back to the Old Coach Way of making a exact copy for the outlet less than a few months after it comes out to the boutique, I think I’m done being a sucker. :/
If they did that for the outlet, there would be no complaint from me. The market is so flooded with the Factory Bags that people don’t understand when I carry my Anna Sui Coach or the Editorial bags and I baby them because they think they’re cheap bags. It’s so frustrating.
I bought in on the 1941 Exclusiveness when it came out, especially when bags started selling out. Now I feel like for the most part the supply of 1941 bags is plentiful... the bags I buy from the Boutique keep showing up st the outlets or Nordstrom Rack for 60-70% off, why pay retail or even 30% off retail (if the bag isn’t part of some random exclusion (don’t even get me started on that..))?
I still don’t get the current Minnie Mouse collection Outlet to Full Price route, same with the Keith Haring Full Price to Outlet back to Full Price and Back to Outlet marketing strategies.
Are we to expect full price Pepsi/Bazooka Gum and Fisher Price collections soon?
I liked the idea of 1941 when it came out, I could
live with the higher price point for a nicer limited release bag that wasn’t going to the outlet for an extended period but if they’re going to fall back to the Old Coach Way of making a exact copy for the outlet less than a few months after it comes out to the boutique, I think I’m done being a sucker. :/
THIS is what makes me the most mad. When you see people complain about the quality of Coach, such as 'My straps are shredding' or 'the edgepaint is peeling and I've owned this bag for less than a year' or 'the canvas is cracking, poor quality!' it is usually MFF bags that the customer got at the outlets for a song. And rightfully so, the MFF bags aren't worth $400+ dollars! So yes, they will deteriorate quicker because they are cheaper made. But the regular person doesn't know that the ones they advertise for $795 on their FB are nothing like those Metro Totes you can get at the outlet for $149 and an additional 20% with their passed around the showroom coupons....
Exactly! Especially when they put those BS fake MSRP prices to make people think they’re getting a deal on the Factory bags!
I think the origin of the Coach outlet was products with defects/damage that weren't considered to be high enough quality for full price Coach. But they were intended to be, hence the bullseye stamp to distinguish. It also might have been where out of style items were sent. I think outlet products did not qualify for the Coach warranty originally.
So this is why deletes are still sent to the outlets now: slightly used/damaged or out of style bags at a discount.
At some point (maybe when the signature bags exploded in the 2000's) I think Coach began making MFF only styles.
I'm not sure why everyone hates on MFF bags here. My very first Coach was a signature swingpack gifted to me and I heavily used it for at least 4 years and I still use now 10 years later. No chipping on the nickel hardware, nothing broken, just some accumulated dirt in the fabric and canvas strap. I wore it in the rain and never cared for it and it has lasted 10 years and I expect it to for many more.
I do agree though that MFF bag quality has gone down. The edge coating and stitching on the first bag I ordered from FOS would have made me think it was a fake if I didn't know it was authentic. Even on many of the boutique bags I think the edge coating can be sloppy or not match. I hate when they use black edge coat for a light-colored bag.
I agree the pricing is deceitful at the outlets, but most of the boutique bags that make it there have slight flaws or are considered not in season, so you get what you pay for.
All the boutique bags I've ordered have had slight flaws (mismatched brass color hardware on one, tiny dents or wear in the leather on the others). The ones I could tolerate I kept and they were a great deal. The ones I could not I sent back and someone less picky than me bought them.
I completely get why you would be angry to have paid full price for things you could have gotten cheaper, but isn't this how most things are? All department stores have periodic sales so if you time it right you can always get stuff cheaper, the key point being it doesn't go out of stock first.
If you call Coach CS they can tell you how many bags are left if it's an almost gone style.
Coachtingtingchen is a price tracker for the outlets so you can guess what price is actually a good deal for a certain style.
So this is why deletes are still sent to the outlets now: slightly used/damaged or out of style bags at a discount.
At some point (maybe when the signature bags exploded in the 2000's) I think Coach began making MFF only styles.
I'm not sure why everyone hates on MFF bags here. My very first Coach was a signature swingpack gifted to me and I heavily used it for at least 4 years and I still use now 10 years later. No chipping on the nickel hardware, nothing broken, just some accumulated dirt in the fabric and canvas strap. I wore it in the rain and never cared for it and it has lasted 10 years and I expect it to for many more.
I do agree though that MFF bag quality has gone down. The edge coating and stitching on the first bag I ordered from FOS would have made me think it was a fake if I didn't know it was authentic. Even on many of the boutique bags I think the edge coating can be sloppy or not match. I hate when they use black edge coat for a light-colored bag.
I agree the pricing is deceitful at the outlets, but most of the boutique bags that make it there have slight flaws or are considered not in season, so you get what you pay for.
All the boutique bags I've ordered have had slight flaws (mismatched brass color hardware on one, tiny dents or wear in the leather on the others). The ones I could tolerate I kept and they were a great deal. The ones I could not I sent back and someone less picky than me bought them.
I completely get why you would be angry to have paid full price for things you could have gotten cheaper, but isn't this how most things are? All department stores have periodic sales so if you time it right you can always get stuff cheaper, the key point being it doesn't go out of stock first.
If you call Coach CS they can tell you how many bags are left if it's an almost gone style.
Coachtingtingchen is a price tracker for the outlets so you can guess what price is actually a good deal for a certain style.
To me, the issue isn’t if a MFF bag is a quality bag, it’s that is deceitful to tell someone a bag is a 298$ bag when it was only ever 89$.
A boutique bag at 298$ cost 298$ unless there was PCE or it got clearances out via the outlets. I don’t have a great issue with this.
I have an issue with a bag coming out to the Boutique at $298 dollars and it selling and then Coach deciding to make the exact Same bag for the Outlet. Especially for the 1941 bags that we were told were going to be exclusive and limited. Heck, my boutique doesn’t even get any 1941 bags... so now even more the perception is going to be that it’s an MFF bag because it wasn’t even in the boutique, just the Outlet Sale.
And let’s be real... if they’re going to make an MFF Dinky, there is really nothing stopping them from doing an MFF Rogue...
Oh and yeah, still mad about the Outlet NASA collection too...
A boutique bag at 298$ cost 298$ unless there was PCE or it got clearances out via the outlets. I don’t have a great issue with this.
I have an issue with a bag coming out to the Boutique at $298 dollars and it selling and then Coach deciding to make the exact Same bag for the Outlet. Especially for the 1941 bags that we were told were going to be exclusive and limited. Heck, my boutique doesn’t even get any 1941 bags... so now even more the perception is going to be that it’s an MFF bag because it wasn’t even in the boutique, just the Outlet Sale.
And let’s be real... if they’re going to make an MFF Dinky, there is really nothing stopping them from doing an MFF Rogue...
Oh and yeah, still mad about the Outlet NASA collection too...
I am so old I remember Coach before there were outlets - they were in malls in these really classy all wood stores that kinda looked like a drawing room. Then outlets came out and they were just filled with discontinued bags that had the bullseye in them - there were no "made for the outlet" bags - then MFF bags came out and they looked nothing like boutique bags, then outlet bags looked just a little like boutique bags - now they look almost exactly like boutique bags - so confusing.