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[Rhinofly]

Can you show pictures of the creeds on these jackets?

The first two jackets are Full Grain bombers with SN 5150-321, identical style, different colors.

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The next three are suede bombers in three different sizes. SN 0426-300





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Most of the jackets I looked at did not exhibit this repeating serial number pattern, just these.

 

[whateve]

The first two jackets are Full Grain bombers with SN 5150-321, identical style, different colors.
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The next three are suede bombers in three different sizes. SN 0426-300

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Most of the jackets I looked at did not exhibit this repeating serial number pattern, just these.

That's so interesting! In my opinion, just based on the creeds, without seeing any details of the jackets, I think they are authentic. I wonder if whoever was stamping them forgot to advance the number mechanism. Or it could have been like the 1996 Olympic creeds, some of which have all numeric creeds but part of the number is the style number. Actually I'm leaning towards that theory. I have a copy of a creed with the same numbers as your second set in my files. Mine is black. So these may not be pre-1994. In my files I have Portugal listed as being operational in 1996. I'm not sure if it was operating earlier. More opinions are welcome. @BeenBurned @Hyacinth

 

[Hyacinth]

That's so interesting! In my opinion, just based on the creeds, without seeing any details of the jackets, I think they are authentic. I wonder if whoever was stamping them forgot to advance the number mechanism. Or it could have been like the 1996 Olympic creeds, some of which have all numeric creeds but part of the number is the style number. Actually I'm leaning towards that theory. I have a copy of a creed with the same numbers as your second set in my files. Mine is black. So these may not be pre-1994. In my files I have Portugal listed as being operational in 1996. I'm not sure if it was operating earlier. More opinions are welcome. @BeenBurned @Hyacinth

The only Portugal creed I've found was also from 1996. It shows a K plant code and a D6K- 0976 serial in a bomber-style jacket. I've never bought any of their jackets and only have a few creed photos so I'm not going to be much help. The one being asked about is totally new to me.

 

[BeenBurned]

The first two jackets are Full Grain bombers with SN 5150-321, identical style, different colors.
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The next three are suede bombers in three different sizes. SN 0426-300

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Most of the jackets I looked at did not exhibit this repeating serial number pattern, just these.

That's so interesting! In my opinion, just based on the creeds, without seeing any details of the jackets, I think they are authentic. I wonder if whoever was stamping them forgot to advance the number mechanism. Or it could have been like the 1996 Olympic creeds, some of which have all numeric creeds but part of the number is the style number. Actually I'm leaning towards that theory. I have a copy of a creed with the same numbers as your second set in my files. Mine is black. So these may not be pre-1994. In my files I have Portugal listed as being operational in 1996. I'm not sure if it was operating earlier. More opinions are welcome. @BeenBurned @Hyacinth

The only Portugal creed I've found was also from 1996. It shows a K plant code and a D6K- 0976 serial in a bomber-style jacket. I've never bought any of their jackets and only have a few creed photos so I'm not going to be much help. The one being asked about is totally new to me.

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I have no doubt that all the jackets with the same "random" serial numbers are authentic.

I do have a 1995 jacket creed from Portugal but not a random serial number:


I also have a '96:


This is my only Portuguese random creed:


ETA: Note that the second set of same "random" numbers shown by @Rhinofly are US-made jackets.

And on the topic of US-random numbers, this is another from my records, one I'm also positive is authentic.

 

[Rhinofly]

A bit of googling found an article mentioning that Coach began making outerwear in 1992. An extensive search of ebay listings of men's Coach jackets and coats with early creeds all show up with the pre-94 xxxx-xxx serial numbers or, with 1995-1996 serial number similar to the one shown by Hyacinth above. Surprisingly, there was nothing with a 1994 serial number and nothing 1997-2003. Most of them were from Portugal (a few from USA, one Italy, one China). I saved all of the creed photos into a database and all of the creeds were very consistent in text, font and other details (except for the single 1995 China one, that looked off). I guess it is possible that this was a new venture for Coach at the time, and the outerwear plants were working out the details of how things worked? It was this possibility that led me here to ask my original question.

As a side note, during my search, I found many jackets marked made in Korea, and those creeds were notably different. I am assuming they were fakes?

Finding good info on early Coach outerwear is even harder than finding it for handbags. Anyone know if the outerwear was shown in the 1992-1996 catalogs? I only have catalog scans, and only for the handbags.

I apologize for discussing outerwear on the purse forum if that is not appropriate. There just does not seem to be another forum with similar expertise available. Thank you for your help!

 

[Rhinofly]

And on the topic of US-random numbers, this is another from my records, one I'm also positive is authentic.
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I am curious about this one. I found a listing with this serial number for a green suede jacket, style 0913. What makes you certain it is authentic?

 

[BeenBurned]

As a side note, during my search, I found many jackets marked made in Korea, and those creeds were notably different. I am assuming they were fakes?

Coach DID make jackets and coats in Korea. Although I don't have (or rather, can't find) the creed picture, according to my records, this coat was made in Korea. (There may not have been a creed but just the neck patch.)

Finding good info on early Coach outerwear is even harder than finding it for handbags. Anyone know if the outerwear was shown in the 1992-1996 catalogs? I only have catalog scans, and only for the handbags.

I apologize for discussing outerwear on the purse forum if that is not appropriate. There just does not seem to be another forum with similar expertise available. Thank you for your help!

I found this catalog picture in my records:

I am curious about this one. I found a listing with this serial number for a green suede jacket, style 0913. What makes you certain it is authentic?

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That creed is identical to the one I posted in #1,939 and appears to be another example of "random" duplicates. This also seems to be a creed that was misstamped.


The most important thing to remember about Coach is that INCONSISTENCY is Coach's middle name. The most consistent thing about Coach is its inconsistency.

 

[mushroomNgrass]

Quick question. The Skinny and chunky cases I have with the blue and white striped ticking inside don’t have a creed inside. I know they’re authentic because I bought them from Carson Pirie Scott in the 80’s. Some of these cases I see now have creeds in them. Are they authentic?

 

[BeenBurned]

Quick question. The Skinny and chunky cases I have with the blue and white striped ticking inside don’t have a creed inside. I know they’re authentic because I bought them from Carson Pirie Scott in the 80’s. Some of these cases I see now have creeds in them. Are they authentic?

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I've had both skinny (7170) and chunky (7165) cases with and without creeds.

There are also fakes with creeds and without creeds. It's a good idea to verify authenticity when considering a purchase.

And although you didn't mention it, there's also a 7172 cosmetic case. I have pictures in the records of a fake with a creed. I don't have any examples without a creed but I don't doubt they too exist.

ETA: The lime green chunky case you showed is authentic.

 

[mushroomNgrass]

I've had both skinny (7170) and chunky (7165) cases with and without creeds.

There are also fakes with creeds and without creeds. It's a good idea to verify authenticity when considering a purchase.

And although you didn't mention it, there's also a 7172 cosmetic case. I have pictures in the records of a fake with a creed. I don't have any examples without a creed but I don't doubt they too exist.

ETA: The lime green chunky case you showed is authentic.

Thank you. Before I purchase I will go to authenticate forum. id like to give a nice skinny case as a gift.

 

[mushroomNgrass]

I've had both skinny (7170) and chunky (7165) cases with and without creeds.

There are also fakes with creeds and without creeds. It's a good idea to verify authenticity when considering a purchase.

And although you didn't mention it, there's also a 7172 cosmetic case. I have pictures in the records of a fake with a creed. I don't have any examples without a creed but I don't doubt they too exist.

ETA: The lime green chunky case you showed is authentic.

Also I would have thought the green one was fake… here I thought I was a vintage coach connoisseur…. I learn something new everyday.

 

[whateve]

Also I would have thought the green one was fake… here I thought I was a vintage coach connoisseur…. I learn something new everyday.

They started using creeds in them in the 90s.

 

[mrk2014]

I did a search first as I always do before asking and taking your time, that is how I found out that sample bags won't be authenticated and I understand.

I purchase this Swagger bag from Tradesy that as usual only shows 3 pictures and never the creed. I believed it was authentic because I had one before (other model), so I bought it.
Upon arrival I see that the creed has the 99999, that I had never seen before.
I am not asking what I know you can not offer, just if you please could tell me what details might be "questionable" so I can compare them with other bags known to be authentic in that line. If no possible, no problem.

Link to listing

 

[whateve]

I did a search first as I always do before asking and taking your time, that is how I found out that sample bags won't be authenticated and I understand.

I purchase this Swagger bag from Tradesy that as usual only shows 3 pictures and never the creed. I believed it was authentic because I had one before (other model), so I bought it.
Upon arrival I see that the creed has the 99999, that I had never seen before.
I am not asking what I know you can not offer, just if you please could tell me what details might be "questionable" so I can compare them with other bags known to be authentic in that line. If no possible, no problem.

Link to listing

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I'm not familiar with the style. I don't know if the colorway was one that was in production. I don't believe it is a swagger. I think if it is authentic, it was part of a 2013-2014 collection. I can't remember the name of the style or line. I have a clutch with a similar design I got in 2014.

 

[mrk2014]

I'm not familiar with the style. I don't know if the colorway was one that was in production. I don't believe it is a swagger. I think if it is authentic, it was part of a 2013-2014 collection. I can't remember the name of the style or line. I have a clutch with a similar design I got in 2014.

Thank you so much for replying, I will try to find other similar bags to add more info.