Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves

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#2,176
Thank you for your reply, marietouchet. :heart:

Are the standard methods for sniffing out a fake still valid (looking for the proper markings, quality dye/colouring, hemming, etc.), or can really good fakes nowadays become very convincing? I am hoping Hermes quality is still obviously superior.

I'm sorry to be paranoid, as it's a beautiful scarf...but it piques my suspicion as to why the Hermes tag would have been removed. The tag is small and only on one corner, easy to fold when wearing. :confused1:
 
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resplendent said:
Thank you for your reply, marietouchet. :heart:

Are the standard methods for sniffing out a fake still valid (looking for the proper markings, quality dye/colouring, hemming, etc.), or can really good fakes nowadays become very convincing? I am hoping Hermes quality is still obviously superior.

I'm sorry to be paranoid, as it's a beautiful scarf...but it piques my suspicion as to why the Hermes tag would have been removed. The tag is small and only on one corner, easy to fold when wearing. :confused1:
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There have been very credible fakes for as long as the internet has been around.
Tags are often removed because people dont like them showing when worn - the fabric care tags are ugly, esp if the end of the scarf shows however you fold it
The methods for fake detection, such as they are - size, tag, weight of silk, signature, copyright , check cw etc - have NEVER worked 100 %. As I like to say, there are no rules for Hermes - they are always breaking their own rules
All one can do these days is look at MANY criteria and make a judgment on the balance, sort of a if better than 75 percent kind of process. There is no 100 percent certainty unless you bought the scarf in a boutique. This is especially true if you have an unusual scarf not seen every day - older scarf, scarf in one the modern ´exotic'' sizes or fabrics that no one remembers much about. There are lots of the unusual modern scarves, no one knows them all, not me!
Different people can have different opinions on scarves: if you go to consign a scarf, and have to defend its authenticity, you will know what I am talking about.
An opinion: on the modern unusual scarf - whatever you do dont remove the tag, If you wish to sell it later, the missing tag might have been one of the few ways to help support authenticity
Buying Hermes in the second hand market is not for the faint of heart, there is no 100 percent certainty, sleeping at night is more important than tossing and turning
 
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marietouchet said:
There have been very credible fakes for as long as the internet has been around.
Tags are often removed because people dont like them showing when worn - the fabric care tags are ugly, esp if the end of the scarf shows however you fold it
The methods for fake detection, such as they are - size, tag, weight of silk, signature, copyright , check cw etc - have NEVER worked 100 %. As I like to say, there are no rules for Hermes - they are always breaking their own rules
All one can do these days is look at MANY criteria and make a judgment on the balance, sort of a if better than 75 percent kind of process. There is no 100 percent certainty unless you bought the scarf in a boutique. This is especially true if you have an unusual scarf not seen every day - older scarf, scarf in one the modern ´exotic'' sizes or fabrics that no one remembers much about. There are lots of the unusual modern scarves, no one knows them all, not me!
Different people can have different opinions on scarves: if you go to consign a scarf, and have to defend its authenticity, you will know what I am talking about.
An opinion: on the modern unusual scarf - whatever you do dont remove the tag, If you wish to sell it later, the missing tag might have been one of the few ways to help support authenticity
Buying Hermes in the second hand market is not for the faint of heart, there is no 100 percent certainty, sleeping at night is more important than tossing and turning
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PS the lack of a fabric care tag on a vintage scarf does not mean anything by itself, you just have to look at all the rest of the indicators, you have to look at the scarf on balance
If the tag had been there, it might have helped decide authenticity
 
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marietouchet said:
PS the lack of a fabric care tag on a vintage scarf does not mean anything by itself, you just have to look at all the rest of the indicators, you have to look at the scarf on balance
If the tag had been there, it might have helped decide authenticity
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PPS I would include a pareo as an example of an unusual scarf - although some would not consider it a scarf to begin with ...
 
#2,180
Pareo size
Pareos are not really scarves since they have machine hems, different fabrics and different sizes than the regular scarves eg 90 cm, 140cm squares. Pareos are rectangular in shape, not square. Hermes does not state the size for pareos but shows them today worn as sarong-style SKIRTS, not as DRESSES
http://usa.hermes.com/woman/swimwear/pareos/configurable-product-rtw-women-pareo-59649.html
Being diligent I scoured the site and found one spot where Hermes (probably mistakenly) stated the size of the pareo as 69 x 36 in (not sure if they are all this size or if it is just this pink one...) - see last pink cavalcadour on above page (tried to copy a link but the web site is quirky)
Here is a photo of a "scarf" worn as a sarong-like DRESS, pls go to photo of scarf worn
http://usa.hermes.com/la-maison-des-carres/cha-twi-brides-de-gala-marine-vert-violet-71172.html
The "dress" is made of a 140cm (54 in) SQUARE scarf, not from a pareo. A 5 ft tall person - 60 in - might drown in this "dress"

If you want to make a dress you need a BIG hunk of fabric, the modern pareo will only work as a skirt, unless you are super petite. And, vintage pareos are in all sorts of sizes - see Ebay - Hermes has changed the dimensions of the pareo over time !

Moral of the story: if you want to buy a pareo, be super diligent in finding out the dimensions of the one on sale - make sure the seller measures it !!
And from personal experience, know what size works for you, depending on how you want to wear it. Too much fabric is bad, but not enough is also bad. I bought pareos to wear on a vacation - instead of scarf, long sleeves and sunscreen - it took me a while to figure out just how big a piece of fabric worked best.
 
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marietouchet, thank you very much for taking the time to explain.

It does make me sad. I know that the counterfeiters are getting better and have been quite good in different products for a while now. :sad:

The only reason I have bought--and are still tempted to buy--Hermes scarves out-of-boutique is due to some prints and colours I adore, but are no longer in production, which is the case for the two I bought from resellers. Most of the time the resellers are not discounting much compared to boutique prices anyway, so I agree boutique shopping is ideal if it is a current design.

I am grateful for your honesty and your wealth of information. There is a lot of junk info on the internet and I'd rather the truth and uncertainty rather than false reassurances that there is some 100% way to determine a fake.

I do not remove the tags from the scarves from the boutique. It is easy for me to find ways to tuck it in when wearing.
 
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Hello Marictouchet, thank you very much for your answer !

Yes I guess it comes from the men's collection. It happens that there is no title on scarves, as "modulation".

II see you are an authenticator. Should I post pictures here to get authentication or on another thread ?

Regards
 
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Lavitaestbella said:
Hello Marictouchet, thank you very much for your answer !

Yes I guess it comes from the men's collection. It happens that there is no title on scarves, as "modulation".

II see you are an authenticator. Should I post pictures here to get authentication or on another thread ?

Regards
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You can post a request for a currently-on-sale scarf to the authenticate thread rather than here.
 
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Question about the Aline Honore Parures de Samourais. Is this a new Spring 2017 design ? I have seen it (very small) on the main page of the website but did not see it for sale until last night. Color way # 7 was available last night but not tonight. Do you think this will be like Appaloosa des Steppes was in December when it will be more available on the website over the coming weeks?
 
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lynn1955 said:
Question about the Aline Honore Parures de Samourais. Is this a new Spring 2017 design ? I have seen it (very small) on the main page of the website but did not see it for sale until last night. Color way # 7 was available last night but not tonight. Do you think this will be like Appaloosa des Steppes was in December when it will be more available on the website over the coming weeks?
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Samourais is a new scarf that has generated a lot of interest, especially as it's been slow to come to the boutiques in the US and just recently appeared on the US website. Lots of info here: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/the-spring-2017-scarves.950197/
 
#2,189
Hi, I bought this scarf from a thrift shop and hope that it is authentic but if it's not, I would not be sorely disappointed but it would be nice to know. All responses are welcomed. thanks
 

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