Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves

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#2,086
The balck cw of Pour Portir had bright pink and green yet still had that muddy look

I guess it was supposed to be old fashioned looking ...

I like purple for all ,and the cinnamon hem is so practical , not being a dirt attracting color , I kinds like brown and purple together
 
#2,087
marietouchet said:
Love the mod shot, this one would look good with red accents in your outfit

Also a great example of how a classic/old fashioned design never goes out of style
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momasaurus said:
Score! This is a wonderful colorway that doesn't often come to market. Congrats and thanks for sharing.
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Thanks ladies. I love this scarf!

I agree marietouchet, classic is always in style, even if not particularly "of the moment".

momasaurus (love that screen name :)), thanks for the suggestion of red accents. I'll have to experiment.
 
#2,088
I have this vintage pocket type scarf that has a pre-attached ring and was pre-sewn in the folded shape. I was wondering if anyone has any idea on them and/or their possible relation to twillies? When I first saw it I thought of twillies, and wondered when twillies were first produced, and if this might be something pre-twilly? It has a very 60-70's look to it.



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#2,089
Very cool scarf with ring mystery. I have had seen those type of thingies before, from the 60s-70s, for men and in less expensive brands - I think. No memory of an Hermes one.

Using a ring lets you wear a tiny scarf that is not long enough to knot. Mens pocket scarves used to be smaller than the current ladies neck scarves. So, the ring lets you
use a smaller pocket scarf at the neck.

BUT this scarf does not have a 60s-70s copyright. Earlier ? I think not. I vote for early 1990s.

More info on the ring would be helpful
1. What color thread is used to sew the scarf and the ring? Does it match the fabric color very well? If no, then I might tend to vote for homemade
2. What is the ring made of ? It looks gold in color. Is it brass? Any tarnish marks ? Any hallmarks? An Hermes ring would tend to have an Hermes hallmark
The modern metal products - permabrass and silver color scarf rings - are all plated. Very nice plating job, but plated none the less.
Period rings would tend to be solid silver or solid gold, not plated. Gold plate is a remote possibility, I guess
Hermes did not use all brass products - they tend to tarnish.
A good jeweler could identify the metal with a 10x loupe. I could.

I love mysteries like this, they are much ,more special scarves because of it.
 
#2,090
marietouchet said:
Very cool scarf with ring mystery. I have had seen those type of thingies before, from the 60s-70s, for men and in less expensive brands - I think. No memory of an Hermes one.

Using a ring lets you wear a tiny scarf that is not long enough to knot. Mens pocket scarves used to be smaller than the current ladies neck scarves. So, the ring lets you
use a smaller pocket scarf at the neck.

BUT this scarf does not have a 60s-70s copyright. Earlier ? I think not. I vote for early 1990s.

More info on the ring would be helpful
1. What color thread is used to sew the scarf and the ring? Does it match the fabric color very well? If no, then I might tend to vote for homemade
2. What is the ring made of ? It looks gold in color. Is it brass? Any tarnish marks ? Any hallmarks? An Hermes ring would tend to have an Hermes hallmark
The modern metal products - permabrass and silver color scarf rings - are all plated. Very nice plating job, but plated none the less.
Period rings would tend to be solid silver or solid gold, not plated. Gold plate is a remote possibility, I guess
Hermes did not use all brass products - they tend to tarnish.
A good jeweler could identify the metal with a 10x loupe. I could.

I love mysteries like this, they are much ,more special scarves because of it.
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WOW! Thank you for the info marietouchet. I have a 10 and 20x loupe, so I will check for plating and any other markings and also thread color. Hadn't thought of that. I gonna bet home made. I've seen maybe 3 total in the last year and half of this nature.

I just realized all this should have been in Scarf ID thread anyway. I have been so tired and making mistakes, I put this questions in the wrong place and did not realize.
 
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bunnycat said:
WOW! Thank you for the info marietouchet. I have a 10 and 20x loupe, so I will check for plating and any other markings and also thread color. Hadn't thought of that. I gonna bet home made. I've seen maybe 3 total in the last year and half of this nature.

I just realized all this should have been in Scarf ID thread anyway. I have been so tired and making mistakes, I put this questions in the wrong place and did not realize.
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Yeah - tell me what you see under the loupe - this HS CSI needs to know LOL
 
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LaChocolat said:
Presenting my new plisse (pardon my lack of appropriate accenting).View attachment 3114553

Perhaps the most beautiful cw for this design? I'm biased. :)View attachment 3114537
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Congrats on your gorgeous scarf!

I'd like to ask that reveals take place in their own threads (please feel free to start one for this) as this thread is not really meant for reveals or general scarf chat. Thanks for your understanding.
 
#2,097
I wonder about the different textures of scarves.
The ones I know:
Silk twill ("regular", 90s)
Vintage silk (70s, softer, tumbled after printing, different threads for warp and weft)
Mousseline
Summer silk (as in chemins secrets, same as plume??)
Dip dye (discontinued?? said to be very soft)
Cashmere-Silk (CSGM, in former years smaller sizes as well)
Winter twill (Mors et Gourmettes Remix 140, feels like regular twill to me)
silk jersey (never had my hands on this one)
Jacquard

exceptionelles (arabesca's indian grail scarf, can't find it at the moment; embroidered, batik)

What else is out there? Any mistakes on my account?
 
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#2,098
HoneyLocks said:
I wonder about the different textures of scarves.
The ones I know:
Silk twill ("regular", 90s)
Vintage silk (70s, softer, tumbled after printing, different threads for warp and weft)
Mousseline
Summer silk (as in chemins secrets, same as plume??)
Dip dye (discontinued?? said to be very soft)
Cashmere-Silk (CSGM, in former years smaller sizes as well)
Winter twill (Mors et Gourmettes Remix 140, feels like regular twill to me)
silk jersey (never had my hands on this one)
Jacquard
exceptionelles (arabesca's indian grail scarf, can't find it at the moment; embroidered, batik)
What else is out there? Any mistakes on my account?
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There are BAZILLIONS of the sporadic, exceptional,«produits exceptionnels», once in a while fabrics & weights , my favorite being yak hair

For the «regularly recently » issued items ONLY, I TRIED giving you an answer:

The fabric on DD is different from std twill, mine feels like it is made of "vintage silk", that opinion is based on feel, nothing else, Hermes isnt saying
IMHO based on feel, summer twill is the same weight as twill plume - I think H has had trouble in finding a good moniker for lightweight twill , see below about the word plume
the M&G remix 140cm is a regular twill (?) - see URL
There was a 140cm silk twill lave, which had a different hand (feel) ..
There have been at least 5 CS/silk weights - voile - super lightweight , the old «good» 65 % cashmere, the more recent not so good 65 % CS, the newer 70 % CS, 80% CS cf infra
The bandanna silk is a different weight IMHO based on feel , I could be wrong ...
There is something they call silk chiffon on the USA site see URL , I believe it to be the same as mousseline silk - very lightweight silk , some mousses are changeants (diff weave), others are not
jacquards
There is a Plume DD CS 55 in - 80 % CS see URL - I thought it was lightweight - Plume - but no, it is a 5th heavy weight of CS - to me, that nomenclature is mind bogglingly confusing

http://usa.hermes.com/hoscatalog/filter/?sublevel=sl-size&size-scarves-140x140=on

OK, I GAVE UP trying to list the fabrics ... They differ by weave, and weight, fiber content

Fiber content is on the sewn in caretag - wool, silk cashmere , yak etc

Hermes leaves you to guess the weight and weave of its fabrics. Neither the sewn in tag, nor the laminated one, nor the booklet, nor the web site nor the receipt necessarily tell you

Silks are marketed by weight (in momme) but Hermes never says how thick its silk is, they leave you to guess. The whole thing about scarves have to weigh 65 g is a thing of the past

Sorry cannot be more helptul
 
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#2,100
There were also some silk crepe scarves - don't know that those were ever very successful commercially, though. I've seen some La Rosee/Dew and some of the oldest Madison Ave in that fabric, but have never owned any myself.
 
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