Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves

[marietouchet]

Thank you so much for the tip marietouchet!!! I have Nadine Coleno's book already, while it is beautiful, there was not so much information on collecting =([/QUOTE

I forgot the Koto Bolofo book collection - see Amazon - it has a volume on scarves mostly pix, very little text, not my favorite, but pretty , ditto for the Menchari book on the windows

oooohhh that is too bad .. that you already have the Coleno book The Coleno book was officially sanctioned by Hermes and it has the most real information about the Hermes scarves - as opposed to eye candy pictures

The is this problem of copyrights - any book not sanctioned by Hermes - has to dance around the copyright problem . I guess you can show a picture of a scarf that the author owns, but you cannot reproduce info from the Hermes booklets, without permission H guards its info and keeps it very close to the chest - thus, keeping up the Hermes mystique I know several collectors who declined to write books about their scarves

The seasonal scarf booklets - 2 a year - can be found in the resale market, they have info, but there are like 80 - 100 of them ...

There are bits and bobs of info in the French Hermes books, but they are low yield books, not much info for the price. I liked to HTF Jean Louis Guerrand book but it is the story of the life of one of the H family, not a book concentrating on scarves. Again in French ..

Sorry but there is little info apart from the Coleno book .

 

[lyseiki8]

Hi Hermes scarf experts/lovers here :
"Please move my posting if I am in the WRONG place"

Eversince I inherited two H scarves from my MIL, I have been interested in Hermes especially plisse. I have in my possession now a beautiful PRELOVED "La Prairie" by Antoine de Jacquelot. Can anyone here be so kind to tell me if the care-tag is questionable .. There is no mention of where this was made. It is different from my other Hermes and I wonder about its authenticity. I can see the signature, the @ Hermes, title of this plisse but I am just wondering about the tag. Any opinion you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.


p/s: I can't stop admiring this plisse; I love the flowers and insects ..

 

[dannii]

Can anyone please help me with my question. I wanted to know if Hermes regularly produces a "brides de gala" with the gold tone on it too? I was after either a blue,white & gold or a orange, white & gold and not sure if that's something they often have or if the gold on it is something only done in the past. I know they introduce it often in new colours but the gold in particular I wasn't sure about. Here is a picture of the Color i am looking for

 

[marietouchet]

Can anyone please help me with my question. I wanted to know if Hermes regularly produces a "brides de gala" with the gold tone on it too? I was after either a blue,white & gold or a orange, white & gold and not sure if that's something they often have or if the gold on it is something only done in the past. I know they introduce it often in new colours but the gold in particular I wasn't sure about. Here is a picture of the Color i am looking forView attachment 2794300
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By gold tone, are you referring to the hardware - horse bit - color or the border, or the bridle? The hardware - horse bit - is usually a diff color from the border, and the border is often, not always, the color of the bridle

In the photos, most of the hardware is orange in the top photo with a bit of silver, The hardware is all gold in the navy (black ?) photo

Your photos are of the classic Brides de Gala design which Hermes has not made for about 10 years ... Since then they have done the design a million different other ways with stripes, polka dots, embroidery, finesse etc but not the classic way, as per your photos

I would not count on seeing gold hardware anytime soon, Hermes seems to like pink, lime or purple hardware these days

Yes, the gold hardware is more of an older thing, silver came later, then colored hardware

 

[marietouchet]

PS on brides de gala
My comments apply to the 90cm twill format , bdg classic has been done in other formats in other sizes or fabrics in the last 10 years ex pm mousse , dip dye , twilly

 

[dannii]

By gold tone, are you referring to the hardware - horse bit - color or the border, or the bridle? The hardware - horse bit - is usually a diff color from the border, and the border is often, not always, the color of the bridle

In the photos, most of the hardware is orange in the top photo with a bit of silver, The hardware is all gold in the navy (black ?) photo

Your photos are of the classic Brides de Gala design which Hermes has not made for about 10 years ... Since then they have done the design a million different other ways with stripes, polka dots, embroidery, finesse etc but not the classic way, as per your photos

I would not count on seeing gold hardware anytime soon, Hermes seems to like pink, lime or purple hardware these days

Yes, the gold hardware is more of an older thing, silver came later, then colored hardware

Thank you so much for your reply. Yes I guess I am more referring to the navy picture (I just realised the Orange isn't gold as per my initial thoughts). So when I refer to the gold i mean the same way it's designed using the gold in the navy pictured scarf. I think it makes more sense with how you explained it as haven't seen gold tones on their 90cm scarfs in a long time. Hopefully they will start using them very soon or reproduce the older version again too. It's beautiful. Thanks again

 

[lyseiki8]

Can anyone here be so kind to tell me if the care-tag is questionable .. There is no mention of where this was made. It is different from my other Hermes and I wonder about its authenticity. I can see the signature, the @ Hermes, title of this plisse but I am just wondering about the tag

OOps .. Thanks to some old postings (via H Facebook):shame:, I think I found the answer.

 

[marietouchet]

Thank you so much for your reply. Yes I guess I am more referring to the navy picture (I just realised the Orange isn't gold as per my initial thoughts). So when I refer to the gold i mean the same way it's designed using the gold in the navy pictured scarf. I think it makes more sense with how you explained it as haven't seen gold tones on their 90cm scarfs in a long time. Hopefully they will start using them very soon or reproduce the older version again too. It's beautiful. Thanks again

Gold hardware ... Yes, Hermes did a fab job on that ca the 1970s - 2000s. The hardware always looked like real, whether in silver of gold. They sometimes made it copper colored or verdigris, and the silks with copper hardware are TDF.

You could always tell an Hermes scarf by the realism of the hardware - it was a real signature that said Hermes without having to look at the logo.

 

[ElainePG]

Gold hardware ... Yes, Hermes did a fab job on that ca the 1970s - 2000s. The hardware always looked like real, whether in silver of gold. They sometimes made it copper colored or verdigris, and the silks with copper hardware are TDF.

You could always tell an Hermes scarf by the realism of the hardware - it was a real signature that said Hermes without having to look at the logo.

Speaking of gold, silver, and copper, marietouchet, inspired me to pull out my Circus scarf, purchased in Paris in about 1990-ish. In studying it more closely, I was amazed at the different colors of metallic paint on it! Gold, silver, and (I'm pretty sure) copper.

This led me to wonder several things. First, is metallic paint more difficult to apply than the other colors in an Hermès scarf? Also, do many Hermès scarves from the past have metallic paint on them? Finally, is it being done any more? Or, like jacquard, is it a thing of the past?

 

[marietouchet]

Metallic inks ...Yes Hermes has used them from time to time and still uses them, Pegase d Hermes , I think, if memory serves, I am too lazy to get mine out to check LOL Also Musique des Spheres ca 2007

They are not more difficult than anything else to apply. Each dye color has its own chemical characteristics, some are harder to apply than others. Some colors chemically react to the nearby colors, other colors are chemically inert etc Some dyes flow better than others etc

Some dyes are more expensive My vote for most expensive would be the reds, not the metallics, blues are generally cheap colors

In the 1980s some scarves had metallic inks that seemed poorly applied - glopped onto the scarf in lumps. 1980s scarves were notorious for printing problems, but, then there are modern printing problems too, I think some of the ink jet scarves are very badly done

I dont know what chemical compound is in the dyes for the metallic inks, I doubt it is 24k gold or silver, probably more like permabrass or whatever

 

[marietouchet]

Yeah for photos ... I pulled up the one of my purple Pegase and yes it has a bit of silver metallic ink, shows up nicely on the purple field, that was a pretty recent design

 

[ElainePG]

Metallic inks ...Yes Hermes has used them from time to time and still uses them, Pegase d Hermes , I think, if memory serves, I am too lazy to get mine out to check LOL Also Musique des Spheres ca 2007

They are not more difficult than anything else to apply. Each dye color has its own chemical characteristics, some are harder to apply than others. Some colors chemically react to the nearby colors, other colors are chemically inert etc Some dyes flow better than others etc

Some dyes are more expensive My vote for most expensive would be the reds, not the metallics, blues are generally cheap colors

In the 1980s some scarves had metallic inks that seemed poorly applied - glopped onto the scarf in lumps. 1980s scarves were notorious for printing problems, but, then there are modern printing problems too, I think some of the ink jet scarves are very badly done

I dont know what chemical compound is in the dyes for the metallic inks, I doubt it is 24k gold or silver, probably more like permabrass or whatever

Thank you, marietouchet! Sorry I didn't see your reply sooner; for some reason, the alert didn't come up in my email.

Do you think scarves with metallic paint are more risky to wash than other scarves? (Not that I would purposely eat lobster drenched in butter while wearing Circus, but stains do happen.)

 

[ElainePG]

And one more question, as long as I'm here.

Back when I was buying from the boutiques (1985-1993) I don't remember that there were "colorways" as such, the way there are now, with CW numbers and specific color names (e.g. my Ex Libris en Kimonos is identified as Colorway S08 Sepia, Cobalt, Corail). Is my memory correct? Or is there a way for me to go back and research CW numbers and names for my old scarves? The way I'm doing it now is just making up color names; for example, I'm calling my Circus colorway "Turquoise, Navy, Gold" because I have to call it something, and that's what it looks like to me!

This is just for my own purposes... I've created a spreadsheet for my collection, and I'm using it as a place to keep notes about each scarf.

 

[ElainePG]

Ignore my last question, please... seton just answered it in the SOTD thread. CW tags weren't put on scarves until 2003, so I shall happily make up my own color names to please myself!

 

[ladysarah]

And one more question, as long as I'm here.

Back when I was buying from the boutiques (1985-1993) I don't remember that there were "colorways" as such, the way there are now, with CW numbers and specific color names (e.g. my Ex Libris en Kimonos is identified as Colorway S08 Sepia, Cobalt, Corail). Is my memory correct? Or is there a way for me to go back and research CW numbers and names for my old scarves? The way I'm doing it now is just making up color names; for example, I'm calling my Circus colorway "Turquoise, Navy, Gold" because I have to call it something, and that's what it looks like to me!

This is just for my own purposes... I've created a spreadsheet for my collection, and I'm using it as a place to keep notes about each scarf.

Sounds incredibly organised- would love to see this spreadsheet.