Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves
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I'm hoping someone can solve a puzzle about my La Mare aux Canards 90cm, which I purchased at Harrods in 1986. It was my first Hermes scarf purchase... little did I know!
My research only shows me one issue date: 1981. It's certainly possible that my scarf had been hanging around for five years, but I have seen other images of this scarf on the internet, dated 1981, both with and without the © beside the HERMES logo. As you can see, mine has the ©. I have checked it carefully, and there is no ©HERMES elsewhere on the scarf.
Do I have an original (1981) issue, or was there a later issue, and that's what I have?
Thank you for your help! I am not asking for resale purposes... I'd just like to know for my own understanding of the scarf.
My research only shows me one issue date: 1981. It's certainly possible that my scarf had been hanging around for five years, but I have seen other images of this scarf on the internet, dated 1981, both with and without the © beside the HERMES logo. As you can see, mine has the ©. I have checked it carefully, and there is no ©HERMES elsewhere on the scarf.
Do I have an original (1981) issue, or was there a later issue, and that's what I have?
Thank you for your help! I am not asking for resale purposes... I'd just like to know for my own understanding of the scarf.
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I am pretty sure that you have the original (I have the same scarf with the copyright). I don't think they have ever re-issued this scarf.I'm hoping someone can solve a puzzle about my La Mare aux Canards 90cm, which I purchased at Harrods in 1986. It was my first Hermes scarf purchase... little did I know!
My research only shows me one issue date: 1981. It's certainly possible that my scarf had been hanging around for five years, but I have seen other images of this scarf on the internet, dated 1981, both with and without the © beside the HERMES logo. As you can see, mine has the ©. I have checked it carefully, and there is no ©HERMES elsewhere on the scarf.
Do I have an original (1981) issue, or was there a later issue, and that's what I have?
Thank you for your help! I am not asking for resale purposes... I'd just like to know for my own understanding of the scarf.
That was what I thought, too! So do you have any insight as to why some of the scarves I've seen (on trusted sites!) don't have the © next to the Hermes logo? This one, f'rinstance:
https://www.facebook.com/Hermes.Sca...8234065554/736628396374201/?type=3&permPage=1
BTW, we're scarf twins! How cool is that?
That was what I thought, too! So do you have any insight as to why some of the scarves I've seen (on trusted sites!) don't have the © next to the Hermes logo? This one, f'rinstance:
https://www.facebook.com/Hermes.Sca...8234065554/736628396374201/?type=3&permPage=1
BTW, we're scarf twins! How cool is that?
If you will look at a few posts further down (older) ... Seton gave you the answer to this question - the copyright mark has changed over time Ex : One copyright type corresponds to one decade , another to a printing in a later decade
There may or may not have been significant changes to the design to go along with the change in copyright . Ex: the artistic design at the second printing may have been the same , or not.
There is no hard and fast rule as to whether the second printing may / may not have been considered to be a new "issue". That term "issue" is used very loosely and means different things to different people.
Most of the info on reissue (what ever that may be ... ) dates is anecdotal - ex: some one saw the design 5 years later later in a "new" colorway and that has been reported as a new "issue" date. The info about these new sightings has been passed down through the years and 10 blogs may report the same "reissue" date which ultimately relies on someone's memory of going shopping 20 years ago. Not exactly accurate but the best we have ....
Seton has some of the best info on some of these types of changes on her blog Hermesology
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Thank you for your time, marietouchet. I know I'm being a bit anal about this "issue" of "issues"
but I am well and truly confused. In a different thread, seton has confirmed that my Mare aux Canards (with the ©) is the 2nd, 1985 release. Which tells me that the 1981 (original release) is the one without the ©. Yet seton's original Pani La Shar Pawnee, from 1984, has the ©... this is what identifies it as the original release. And here we are talking about two scarves that were issued in the same decade!!!!! For this to be logical, the 1981 Mare aux Canards should have the ©, and the 1985 reprint should not have it!
So I have decided that I am going to stop driving all of you very nice experts crazy with my worries about release dates, and simply enjoy wearing the scarves I purchased years ago, and the ones I am acquiring now.
In a different thread, seton has confirmed that my Mare aux Canards (with the ©) is the 2nd, 1985 release. Which tells me that the 1981 (original release) is the one without the ©. Yet seton's original Pani La Shar Pawnee, from 1984, has the ©... this is what identifies it as the original release. And here we are talking about two scarves that were issued in the same decade!!!!! For this to be logical, the 1981 Mare aux Canards should have the ©, and the 1985 reprint should not have it!
You are jumping to conclusions.
BOTH 1981 and 1985 Canards will have the exact same ©. I never said otherwise.
No two scarves will have the same HISTORY of reprinting, even if they are both from the 80s, so it is like comparing apples to pears. There is little point to comparing Canards to Pani to my mind.
I think this is a good direction to take.
I have no idea if this is the right place to ask, so pardon me if I'm wrong.
I'm trying to track down every cw of Point d'orgue. I know it would have been easier 2 years ago, but I didn't know back then!
Anyway, here, it what I have identified so far:
01 : aubergine/rose/prune
02 : blanc/bleu/violine
03 : marine/bleu/corail
04 : orange/brun/jaune
05 : vert jade/corail/vert
06 : étoupe/saumon/rouge
08 : bleu azur/marron/jaune d'or
09 : noir/vieil or/brun
For all of them, I found pictures of the scarf and of the tag, so I'm sure of the cw (except for cw04 which was only mentioned on a thread).
However, there are two other scarfs whose cw are unknown:
- an orange and blue here http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-Hermes-...21178?pt=US_Scarves_Wraps&hash=item35dec68e3a and here http://www.5lux.com/good/detail/19000
- a yellow-ish green sold in a live auction: http://lebrech-associes.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=2324445&np=1&lng=fr&npp=10000&ordre=1&aff=1&r=
If anyone can help me on my hunt, I'll be grateful!
Edit: sophieg just gave me the name of my cw!
I'm trying to track down every cw of Point d'orgue. I know it would have been easier 2 years ago, but I didn't know back then!
Anyway, here, it what I have identified so far:
01 : aubergine/rose/prune
02 : blanc/bleu/violine
03 : marine/bleu/corail
04 : orange/brun/jaune
05 : vert jade/corail/vert
06 : étoupe/saumon/rouge
08 : bleu azur/marron/jaune d'or
09 : noir/vieil or/brun
For all of them, I found pictures of the scarf and of the tag, so I'm sure of the cw (except for cw04 which was only mentioned on a thread).
However, there are two other scarfs whose cw are unknown:
- an orange and blue here http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-Hermes-...21178?pt=US_Scarves_Wraps&hash=item35dec68e3a and here http://www.5lux.com/good/detail/19000
- a yellow-ish green sold in a live auction: http://lebrech-associes.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=2324445&np=1&lng=fr&npp=10000&ordre=1&aff=1&r=
If anyone can help me on my hunt, I'll be grateful!
Edit: sophieg just gave me the name of my cw!
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Dear fellow scarf lovers and experts,
I am looking for your advice once again =))) I would really like to learn more about the H scarves and I have been looking for informative books about them, not necessarily official and preferably in English (though I am willing to learn French for the occasion
) What kind of literature would you recommend? Thank you so much in advance!
I am looking for your advice once again =))) I would really like to learn more about the H scarves and I have been looking for informative books about them, not necessarily official and preferably in English (though I am willing to learn French for the occasion
) What kind of literature would you recommend? Thank you so much in advance!
Hermes published a bunch of books, mostly in French and very hard to find, you need to try a rare bookseller eg ABEOOKS looking for Hermes Paris as the authorDear fellow scarf lovers and experts,
I am looking for your advice once again =))) I would really like to learn more about the H scarves and I have been looking for informative books about them, not necessarily official and preferably in English (though I am willing to learn French for the occasion
Nadine Coleno's book - Hermes Scarf is readily available on Amazon
Thank you so much for the tip marietouchet!!! I have Nadine Coleno's book already, while it is beautiful, there was not so much information on collecting =(