Reference: Guide to Hermes Scarves

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ladysarah said:
Sounds incredibly organised- would love to see this spreadsheet.
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It's not terribly fancy, ladysarah! It's just a table I created in Microsoft Word (it looks like a spreadsheet, but there was no reason to use Excel since it's just filled with words, not numbers, except for the "Price" column).

However, if you're interested, the column headings are:
Name
Designer
Cost
Year
Colors
Notes

The table is sorted by the second column, Designer, since I can never remember the exact name of my scarves, but I always know who the designer is!;)

The Year column is the year (often an approximation) the scarf was issued, not the year I bought it. Since I often buy pre-owned scarves, I have been guilty of pestering the nice people in the Reference thread for issue dates, until I decided to stop being so... what's the polites word?... oh, yes... anal about it. I'm sure they heaved a collective sigh of relief!

The Colors column is also a challenge, since (as I just learned) Hermès did not begin issuing "official" colorways until 2003, and I began buying in 1985. So in many cases, I simply study my scarf and list the top three colors. As I posted on a different thread, it's not exactly rocket science!:p

The Notes column is a catch-all: any facts I can dig up about the scarf, links to blog entries about it, where I found it (there's a terrific consignment shop just down the street from me... they call me when they receive an Hermès scarf!), and so on.

And that's it! Couldn't be simpler, really. Though at some point, I may "graduate" my spreadsheet to a database, and add photos of my scarves. That will happen when the Notes column on each scarf takes up an entire page!:D
 
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marietouchet said:
I forgot the Koto Bolofo book collection - see Amazon - it has a volume on scarves mostly pix, very little text, not my favorite, but pretty , ditto for the Menchari book on the windows

oooohhh that is too bad .. that you already have the Coleno book The Coleno book was officially sanctioned by Hermes and it has the most real information about the Hermes scarves - as opposed to eye candy pictures

The is this problem of copyrights - any book not sanctioned by Hermes - has to dance around the copyright problem . I guess you can show a picture of a scarf that the author owns, but you cannot reproduce info from the Hermes booklets, without permission H guards its info and keeps it very close to the chest - thus, keeping up the Hermes mystique I know several collectors who declined to write books about their scarves

The seasonal scarf booklets - 2 a year - can be found in the resale market, they have info, but there are like 80 - 100 of them ...

There are bits and bobs of info in the French Hermes books, but they are low yield books, not much info for the price. I liked to HTF Jean Louis Guerrand book but it is the story of the life of one of the H family, not a book concentrating on scarves. Again in French ..

Sorry but there is little info apart from the Coleno book .
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marietouchet, thank you soooo much for the great tips. Yeah, I knew that Hermes is not keen on revealing too much, but was hoping that some of information was able to leak out in the 50's or 60's =)
 
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Miskin said:
marietouchet, thank you soooo much for the great tips. Yeah, I knew that Hermes is not keen on revealing too much, but was hoping that some of information was able to leak out in the 50's or 60's =)
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Well, yes, bits and bobs have leaked out over the years but no one can or will publish a compedium other than Hermes . The issue is copyrights and H seems to have decided not to do so.

The bits and bobs are in the rare books that I alluded to, expensive books, HTF and in French

One often needs to compare 3 or 4 of them to really ferret out what happened
 
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marietouchet said:
Well, yes, bits and bobs have leaked out over the years but no one can or will publish a compedium other than Hermes . The issue is copyrights and H seems to have decided not to do so.

The bits and bobs are in the rare books that I alluded to, expensive books, HTF and in French

One often needs to compare 3 or 4 of them to really ferret out what happened
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PS I think the difficulty of collecting the info, and the controversy in disseminating it (copyrights) are HUMONGOUS reasons that one should appreciate Setons' blog, the HSCI site etc

Merci to all of them !
 
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Miskin said:
ElainePG, Wow, that's awesome! I admire the people who are so well organized :loveeyes: I should really start doing something similar myself
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Thank you, miskin. When I only had ~15 scarves, back in the day, I didn't bother tracking them. Because I didn't think of them as a "collection"... they were just accessories to make my navy business suits look less masculine! :p

But this year I've become passionate about those dangerous 90cm silks, and my little collection has grown exponentially... to the point where I simply had to get it under some sort of control! Thus, the spreadsheet. I find that if it's all in one place, I don't have to think about it, because I know that if I ever forget something ("HOW much did I pay for the umpty-ump scarf at the consignment shop last month?") I can just look it up on my computer!
 
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I'm going to ask you about issue dates again, marietouchet, and please don't swat me! I'm not going to ask something impossible, like pinning down a specific issue date. I'm just trying to clear up something that I can't find on HCSI, on Seton's blog (wonderful as it is), or anyplace else that I can think of.

I just bought Napoléon. Now, I know it is not the original issue, and my understanding is that it has been re-issued four more times: 1985, 1989/90, 1997, and 2002/03. I realize that there is absolutely no way to tell which year my particular scarf is from, so that is not what I am asking!

Here's what I want to know. I have read that in approximately 2001, Hermès stopped making scarves on jacquard silk. So I have two questions. First, is that true? Second, if it is true, then can I safely assume (since my scarf is jacquard) that my scarf is either from 1985, 1989/90, or 1997, and that it is not from 2002/03?

I have tried to research this myself, looking for a Napoléon for sale on plain silk twill, but I cannot find one. Which might mean I have just answered my own question, and the 2002/03 reissue was also on jacquard silk. But that doesn't coincide with what I've read about Hermès no longer using jacquard. So I'd appreciate your help on this one, when you have a chance.

Unless it's impossible.

In which case I quite understand!:smile1:
 
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Here's what I want to know. I have read that in approximately 2001, Hermès stopped making scarves on jacquard silk. So I have two questions. First, is that true??
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No.



Second, if it is true, then can I safely assume (since my scarf is jacquard) that my scarf is either from 1985, 1989/90, or 1997, and that it is not from 2002/03?
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No, but your cw was not reprinted in 2002 so it is a moot point.

ElainePG, I don't wish to be rude but this is the last question from you I will be answering.
 
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seton said:
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No, but your cw was not reprinted in 2002 so it is a moot point.

ElainePG, I don't wish to be rude but this is the last question from you I will be answering.
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Fair enough, seton! I fully appreciate all the help you've given me over the past two months.
I believe I am ready to be "kicked out of the nest.":flowers:
 
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I did a general search both here on TPF and on the web, but can't seem to find an answer to my question about Annie Faivre's "Chapeau". (I promise it's not a monkey question, :P I already see it.) If anyone see's this and knows if there's some significance of the squiggle that kind of looks like a signature worked on to the right side of the design as the building tops, I'd love to know.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-H...35337?pt=US_Scarves_Wraps&hash=item51c66abe89
 
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bunnycat said:
I did a general search both here on TPF and on the web, but can't seem to find an answer to my question about Annie Faivre's "Chapeau". (I promise it's not a monkey question, :P I already see it.) If anyone see's this and knows if there's some significance of the squiggle that kind of looks like a signature worked on to the right side of the design as the building tops, I'd love to know.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-H...35337?pt=US_Scarves_Wraps&hash=item51c66abe89
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My curiosity is piqued but I failed to find the detail in question

But there are no buildings in Chapeau ! the word means hat in French and the design shows old hats, some are ca the French revolution, and lots of feathers, hatboxes, and flourishes. The girl bottom right is wearing a ginormous hair bow ...

Anyway, there are 11 pictures - counting left to right - - can you pls tell me the number of the photo with the intriguing detail ?
 
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seton said:
pani was introduced in spring 1984 and original issue should have vintage copyright. btw, pani has 29 screens, not 35-36.
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Sorry to bring that up again, but on the "authentate this..." thread, marietouchet said the screening process was interesting so I took some time to look at videos of le festival des métiers. (and it was indeed interesting) The guy explaining how the screening process works clearly says that Pani and her fiancé are are the scarves with the most screens, 35 for him, 36 for her.
(it's on youtube, the 8 minute long video)

Did I misunderstand him because of his accent? Can it be different depending on the issue?
 
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Melora24 said:
Sorry to bring that up again, but on the "authentate this..." thread, marietouchet said the screening process was interesting so I took some time to look at videos of le festival des métiers. (and it was indeed interesting) The guy explaining how the screening process works clearly says that Pani and her fiancé are are the scarves with the most screens, 35 for him, 36 for her.
(it's on youtube, the 8 minute long video)

Did I misunderstand him because of his accent? Can it be different depending on the issue?
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You refer to 2 scarves - Pani & fiance - there was only 1 Pani scarf, but Tzapoff did a pair - man and woman Wakoni & Cosmogonie , so perhaps you refer to the Tzapoff scarves ??

Once in a blue moon, a description on the Hermes web site may have quoted a number of screens for some design, and maybe some one wrote down the number, which may have been incorrectly transcribed - it is real easy to get confused by the various native American scarves for example (just as you did ...)

The number of screens have never been published - so that one could easily look it up ... and everytime I hear the number for a given design it is a bit different .. They make errors at the Festival, Kamel was once heard to say that ALL scarves have titles .... (not !)

Suffice it to say that all 3 scarves above had lots of screens, more than 30
 
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Wakoni has the most screens - 46.
Cosmogenie has 45.

Pani does not have a fiancee.

I gave 29 screens for Pani bc i went to a Hermes exhibition done by Hermes and in that exhibition Pani was shown and the number of screens were written down. On a plaque.

Anytime i give the number of screens, i get it straight from hermes. I dont quote hearsay, other blogs, other 'experts', inexperienced SAs, whatever.
 
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