I'm in need of advice..my authenticated K28 is deemed fake by Paris HQ

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#331
Gigllee said:
I am empathetic towards OP and admire her thorough feedback. I hope the seller gives you your money back.

Now to those insisting that after a 3rd inspection Hermes is wrong - based on what??! Like at what point do we call a spade a spade and agree to agree that whatever Hermes was inspecting must have been fake, regardless of what photos were circulated for authentication!. Truth is Bababebi authencates photos and I wonder - could there be a chance that the bag in the photos was not the same that was sold to OP? Maybe, just maybe things got mixed up somewhere and it’s nobody’s fault? To say Hermes is wrong after multiple inspections, you better be able to prove with evidence that the same bag in the photos that makes you believe this is authentic is the same bag that was shipped to Paris.

Because of the huge blur this is, I am only confident in Hermes at this point cos they at least had a bag to inspect. Everyone else is a ringside observer and for an observer to say with absoluteness that Hermes is wrong just seems bizarre.

All positive vibes to OP
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I agree with that last paragraph. Nothing beats looking at the bag and this is the apparent maker and 3 rounds of inspection. With all due respect to everyone involved if we don't trust Hermes why are we buying their bags or even on this forum?
 
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#332
LVLover said:
No. 2 should insure a refund from the seller (she has in writing from Hermes that she was sold a fake) and she keeps and authentic bag (that she didn’t pay for). What would be her risk?

Before anyone shames me to h*ll please do your research on scams that are run. Check out the eBay forum. I am merely playing devils advocate. There is no evidence of what bag was sent to spa.
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Not shaming, just asking.
 
#333
lulilu said:
Agree -- No 2 makes absolutely no sense.
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NOT to impugn this OP, but it could make sense if it were a scam. We here have seen only pics of an authenticated bag, fully attested to by the best in the field. So that exists. But nobody here can know what bag was shown to H. Is it out of the realm of possibility for someone to buy an authentic bag, submit a fake, it's deemed fake by H in multiple passes, and then the reseller is on the dime to refund? No.
 
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jellyv said:
NOT to impugn this OP, but it could make sense if it were a scam. We here have seen only pics of an authenticated bag, fully attested to by the best in the field. So that exists. But nobody here can know what bag was shown to H. Is it out of the realm of possibility for someone to buy an authentic bag, submit a fake, it's deemed fake by H in multiple passes, and then the reseller is on the dime to refund? No.
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If OP was scamming, I doubt she would post her saga here. It wouldn't make sense. There would be more chance she would be caught.
 
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#337
No posting here helps legitimize her case. TPF has been used before for legitimization. Post your “problem,” everyone gets on borad, reputations at stake, things get heated....so on and so forth.

It behooves our community to get to the bottom of this. We have an AMAZING authenticator, re-sellers and Hermes’s reputation on the line.
 
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#338
LVLover said:
Wow! This is a heartbreaking thread, not only for the OP (hugs and more hugs to you), but also the secondary market. We all have H pieces that we choose to re-home for various reasons. This decision completely undermines that process of buying from this secondary market. I have two questions:

1. Is it possible that a the bag was repaired or altered, by a third party, in such a way that Hermes would deem fake rather than right the note like we saw written to Rouge H? For example...the bag was dyed or there was something internally repaired (i.e there was water or liquid damage on the inside and the lining was repaired/redone) Did Hermes begin to dismantle the bag and find something that triggered and immediate stamp of “fake” because the “repairs” were so significant?

2. This situation undermines the reputation of multiple parties: the seller (who many have noted is reputable), the authenticator (the highest recommendation in the secondary market), and Hermes (they make the product), however no one has questioned the OP? I hate to play devil’s advocate here so for that I am so sorry. I can already see myself being banned, shunned and/or my mailbox being stuffed with hate mail. However, how do we know OP sent the bag pictured in the pictures to spa? I only bring up this point because there is a lot at stake in regards to the secondary market and reputations and the switheroo happens all the time (it has happened to me when selling an H shawl, buyer returned a fake H shawl).

I respect ALL parties, very much. I do not know the OP, or the re-seller. I have purchased a bag that was authenticated by bababaei and the bag is authentic 100% w/ successful spa visit. I did not request authentication from bababaei, thus did not pay her for her services.
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All your scenarios are plausible. I mean we are talking about Hermes and the struggle is real. I think it’s ok to have an unpopular view as long as it’s logical and objective. From my vantage point, Hermes is the only faction I can vouch for reason being they had a bag to inspect. Whether the bag they inspected matched fotos or was swapped or wrongly authenticated is all left to Seller, Buyer and authenticator and may never be figured out
 
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jellyv said:
NOT to impugn this OP, but it could make sense if it were a scam. We here have seen only pics of an authenticated bag, fully attested to by the best in the field. So that exists. But nobody here can know what bag was shown to H. Is it out of the realm of possibility for someone to buy an authentic bag, submit a fake, it's deemed fake by H in multiple passes, and then the reseller is on the dime to refund? No.
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It has been done before by some guy who claimed he bought a Birkin for his wife , got it in 2 days though people argued that overseas shipping takes longer. He claimed he immediately Shipped it to Paris and it was considered fake. He kind of used this forum to coerce the reseller to refund. It was a war zone cos the seller came online to call on him out. People also did their investigative Tpfing (swiping for prints, phone logs, IP address and blood samples) to prove that the guy has multiple Usernames here and he s on a mission. Suspicion was that the guy bought a real bag, sent a fake to Paris to get a refund from reseller. Moderator at the time deleted the thread. Reason #937 why you just just spend a bit extra and buy direct. My proneness to stress won’t afford me the bandwidth to add this sort of complications to my already mega complex life.
 
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Gigllee said:
It has been done before by some guy who claimed he bought a Birkin for his wife , got it in 2 days though people argued that overseas shipping takes longer. He claimed he immediately Shipped it to Paris and it was considered fake. He kind of used this forum to coerce the reseller to refund. It was a war zone cos the seller came online to call on him out. People also did their investigative Tpfing (swiping for prints, phone logs, IP address and blood samples) to prove that the guy has multiple Usernames here and he s on a mission. Suspicion was that the guy bought a real bag, sent a fake to Paris to get a refund from reseller. Moderator at the time deleted the thread. Reason #937 why you just just spend a bit extra and buy direct. My proneness to stress won’t afford me the bandwidth to add this sort of complications to my already mega complex life.
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Er to be fair many including myself buy vintage bags which are not in production. Otherwise I go the retail route and enjoy a good relationship with the company, my SAs and have 100% peace of mind.
 
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#342
I don't mind discussing the aspect brought up by @LVLover and @Gigllee. There could have be people out there using tPF as a way to scam. I despise it. And it is 100% not applicable to my case.

To bring some peace of mind - my Hermes boutique has all my personal details. I use my real name, personal email that includes my name, paypal account which also contains the same set of info to facilitate all my transactions with authenticator; apart from this purchase, I also work with the same re-seller re-homing my Hermes bags so she has all my contact information too.

I do not and will never scam others.
 
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Gigllee said:
It has been done before by some guy who claimed he bought a Birkin for his wife , got it in 2 days though people argued that overseas shipping takes longer. He claimed he immediately Shipped it to Paris and it was considered fake. He kind of used this forum to coerce the reseller to refund. It was a war zone cos the seller came online to call on him out. People also did their investigative Tpfing (swiping for prints, phone logs, IP address and blood samples) to prove that the guy has multiple Usernames here and he s on a mission. Suspicion was that the guy bought a real bag, sent a fake to Paris to get a refund from reseller. Moderator at the time deleted the thread. Reason #937 why you just just spend a bit extra and buy direct. My proneness to stress won’t afford me the bandwidth to add this sort of complications to my already mega complex life.
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Because of many reasons in this case I think OP is victim of unfortunate coincidence of circumstances and don't play any roles. That is my personal opinion. As for the scammer from the thread ''Who else has been scammed by Fake Hermes Bag'' I suspect he is here in this thread but now play woman not a man.
 
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Such a regrettable outcome. One way or another there is a fraud here. Any lawyers have an opinion - can OP sue the reseller and move for a subpoena dueces tecum to retrieve the bag from France as evidence? A longshot, and an expense, but is it possible?
 
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