Scarves Hermès scarf colors
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Not to beat this to death, but...I ordered the CW12 with beige yellow sky to compare with the CW13 Pen & Ink with color only on garden I showed earlier. Posting photos to show front and reverse just for fun. Note: The saturation on the CW13 garden is deeper than shows in this photo. Ambient Light is mix of natural and LED candelabra.
Just picking my way through this thread, thank you for all the fascinating information.
It’s a fact the silks have evolved in step with modern tastes and technology. for the good as well as bad.
I admire all the photographic details and sensitive renditions in the older designs, such as Linares Plumes., but have never worn them.
Back in the 80s when I started buying, the palette of colours and types of designs was very very limited.I used to venture into the store with little idea of what I wanted, there was no information around then, and nothing would suit me. It was all about traditional designs in very obvious crude colourways; navy blue, maroon, sickly cream, gold and red. Very little green, coral, orange or petrol blues.
I really did struggle to find anything wearable , and the overbearing SA s at that time were no help at all.
Now Hermès are far more commercial and seek to cover a broad demographic , so hence the very varied colour palettes and designs from the intricate Parures des Samurais type to the spare graphic ones.
My pet hate is unsaturated reverse which is why I didn’t want a silk P de S ., otherwise I’m very happy with the turn the company has taken.
I especially appreciate the more asymmetric designs and more edgy colour combinations.If they were to cut back on quality of silk or hand rolling that would be a different matter !
It’s a fact the silks have evolved in step with modern tastes and technology. for the good as well as bad.
I admire all the photographic details and sensitive renditions in the older designs, such as Linares Plumes., but have never worn them.
Back in the 80s when I started buying, the palette of colours and types of designs was very very limited.I used to venture into the store with little idea of what I wanted, there was no information around then, and nothing would suit me. It was all about traditional designs in very obvious crude colourways; navy blue, maroon, sickly cream, gold and red. Very little green, coral, orange or petrol blues.
I really did struggle to find anything wearable , and the overbearing SA s at that time were no help at all.
Now Hermès are far more commercial and seek to cover a broad demographic , so hence the very varied colour palettes and designs from the intricate Parures des Samurais type to the spare graphic ones.
My pet hate is unsaturated reverse which is why I didn’t want a silk P de S ., otherwise I’m very happy with the turn the company has taken.
I especially appreciate the more asymmetric designs and more edgy colour combinations.If they were to cut back on quality of silk or hand rolling that would be a different matter !
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thanks for your reply Marietouchet. I'm just trying to get a handle on how modern techniques in the industry are moving ahead with respect to the natural environment in terms of silk and leather production to ensure high animal welfare but respect the history and craft of the brand. I would hope Hermes would be investing in methods of silk production and dyeing techniques that still brings us a high quality product but at less cost to the environment. I try to do my bit by purchasing fewer scarves (and clothes in general), most are pre-loved so less impact overall. We can all cut down on what we purchase to save the planet - it's up to us to decide where those cuts are made. Small steps and all that....
Logically, yes. Each cocoon is made of a single continuous strand of silk. While the cocoon is whole, it can be unwound as a single continuous strand. This is what creates the strength and hand of fine silk. Ethical sericulture allows the moth to emerge from the cocoon before it is unwound; the moth creates a hole in the cocoon to escape. A cocoon with a hole in it can no longer render a single continuous strand. Fabric woven from shorter strands of variable length is less fine. And given Hermes' processes, any variability in the silk would affect the quality of the printing, resulting in more rejects and waste (er, recycled stuffing).
I looked up ethical sericulture and indeed there are some companies that supply silk like this. Apparently, the silk is a bit less lustrous, and a little slubby... sounds like raw silk.
Yes
Yes, raw silk ! Hermes is now into artisanal scarves from India, Nepal, Bangladesh eg Bandini, plume CS , shibori etc I bet they will have some raw silk soon
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I have quite a few pieces of raw silk from Jim Thompson (Thailand)-very beautiful. Interesting that you think Hermès may be getting into that!
On another note, I had a meeting last week with a Chinese couple from Szuchou (that great Marco Polo silk-producing city). They may be getting my scarf designs produced there. That would be exciting!!
I have no advance knowledge of their foray into that but it would make sense
They are always trying something new - wash , tattoo, vintage silk etc - all of that novelty makes the collections harder to predict and fake, and their is always something new to buy at the store
Jahna, I am excited to hear this news! Please share when your designs are ready for purchase
“Ledoux’s Horses”— my little composition to compare front/back of three scarves 60s, 70s, 80s— with a nod to V.Rybaltchenko for completing Mousquetaires.
If you still have all 3 out ... TOUR & HIVER look to be an older printing style eg the logo on TOUR does not have perfectly shaped letters, not broken but typical of early ones. 3M on the other hand looks to have better printing (or am I hallucinating???) It is the latest of the 3 and might be printed with more accurate technology.
I will try to pull mine and scrutinize.... when my hands are washed, not now
Based on empirical observations of (obsessing about LOL) my own scarves, I think they bought better/different printing machines ca 1979, sometime in the 1990s, 2004 and more recently
So a pre-1979 scarf is printed not as crisply as a post-1979 one, but I dont know the exact transition date, around the time of 3M and when Jean Louis Dumas took over.
And of course, until recently, the scarves all soaked through to the reverse side
Everyone needs a hobby to keep them amused, this is one of mine LOL
I for one am most happy that this is your hobby. I have learned so much you
Thank heavens this is your hobby so I can selfishly and more easily access the depths of it. Although the three are put away, I see your points.
The Tour, 1963, has its own special character of silk feel as well as printing characteristics. I would amateurishly describe it as “light weight” in both compared to the 1981 3M. The 1975 (based on copyright location) Hiver falls closer to Tour than 3M, given 3M’s rich, deep colors; however, this particular Hiver is not the best example as it apparently lived a hard live in Eastern Europe before migrating to USA. Smoking and washing may have impacted its coloration.
Does anyone have this scarf? In the pictures I have seen it looks like a true grey. But I wonder if it has some blue tones to it. I would like to put it on my wishlist but I find different pictures seem to portray different undertones. Like the first photo looks like a bluish grey. Is that true? TIA
In googling I have found theses pics.
In googling I have found theses pics.
