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Many of the comments on InstaGram are saying the same things about the models and this campaign. If he wanted people taking-he succeeded . However, I don't think he wanted people to overlook his new designs like they are doing.

Many are. But....the flip side of that is there are thousands of people that hit the love button on the majority of pics. The least number of loves for one of the pics is over 3000....and it ranges to over 7000 loves. I don't think there is many overlooking. Not at all! I think it's just the opposite.
 
Well, there was a lot of talk when the Legacy line came out ... then later claims that it didn't sell nearly as well as they'd hoped. Then a lot of talk with the new high end models (of which Kloss was one) and the accompanying capsule collections (of which Burrough was one). Then we got that report just a couple weeks ago about disappointing earnings and the effect on stocks. Now we have "talk" again. I fear the problems here are bigger than just what happened with Legacy, or just what happened with the newest capsules (as is implied by that report of a couple weeks ago), or just how this latest left turn could end up. :( :(

eta: and just so I'm not accused, no, I'm not writing them off yet. But I really, really wish they'd address some of the larger problems (of which I think this rapid bouncing is just one), to *really* turn the company around.
 
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These flap messenger bags are really more my style than any Madison, Borough or Legacy.
I love the 65th anniversary Legacy done in 2006 but not last years Legacy. For me a bag has to be functional and not just look good on the arm or shoulder. It needs to work with my lifestyle. I live in a NYC and for New Yorkers crossbody just works best for running around town and functionality. For this reason I am looking forward to fall 2014.
 
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Well, there was a lot of talk when the Legacy line came out ... then later claims that it didn't sell nearly as well as they'd hoped. Then a lot of talk with the new high end models (of which Kloss was one) and the accompanying capsule collections (of which Burrough was one). Then we got that report just a couple weeks ago about disappointing earnings and the effect on stocks. Now we have "talk" again. I fear the problems here are bigger than just what happened with Legacy, or just what happened with the newest capsules (as is implied by that report of a couple weeks ago), or just how this latest left turn could end up. :( :(

eta: and just so I'm not accused, no, I'm not writing them off yet. But I really, really wish they'd address some of the larger problems (of which I think this rapid bouncing is just one), to *really* turn the company around.

Yes. Coach may have more issues than can be corrected or turned around. I hope not and only time will tell. It would be sad for an iconic American company like Coach to fail. We've all seen it happen, especially in the last few years and is still happening.
 
I had a look at Vevers' collection and I was NOT impressed with the bags. The clothing was cute, however. But those bags! NO!

When the Borough came out I was excited and lustful. Finally! A decent Coach bag! Then I got one and never used it. I like the Borough aesthetically, but it just wasn't me. So it's been sitting unused in the closet for three months. I meant to return it but kept having second thoughts. That's when I found out about the Mansur Gavriel bucket bags and OMG am I ever in LOVE! I pre-ordered the Brandy/Avion bag and it should be getting here in early march. I'm FINALLY returning the Borough this coming week when the weather lets up.

I do like the Borough, but I have to admit it is a little boring. That's when I realized what the problem with Coach is. A lot of their stuff is just humdrum boring to me! The Mansur bag is simple and unfussy, but it is a practice in sleek modern minimalism. It is EFFORTLESSLY cool. The Borough and Coach's new bags could have been just as sleek and smart, but their edge was tempered by the addition of superfluous zipper tassels and ugly "vampire fangs" (whatever you call those things that Coach seems to put on their bags to anchor the handles). And don't even get me started on those ugly Bleeker totes. Now, it looks like Vevers' bags are trying to hard to be cool and edgy to attract the cool-girl tastemakers.

My problem with the Borough was that it was "nice enough," but seemed like the target audience was more the corporate middle manager type. Too 9-5, M-F quotidian for me. I'm too young and creative for that kind of bag. The other offerings are just boring, and Vevers' bags missed the mark by a long-shot. The Mansur bags keep selling out, however. I think women (and men) want bags that are chic, edgy and effortlessly cool at a REASONABLE price! Why can't the middle market brands understand this? Tastes have changed.
 
I had a look at Vevers' collection and I was NOT impressed with the bags. The clothing was cute, however. But those bags! NO!

When the Borough came out I was excited and lustful. Finally! A decent Coach bag! Then I got one and never used it. I like the Borough aesthetically, but it just wasn't me. So it's been sitting unused in the closet for three months. I meant to return it but kept having second thoughts. That's when I found out about the Mansur Gavriel bucket bags and OMG am I ever in LOVE! I pre-ordered the Brandy/Avion bag and it should be getting here in early march. I'm FINALLY returning the Borough this coming week when the weather lets up.

I do like the Borough, but I have to admit it is a little boring. That's when I realized what the problem with Coach is. A lot of their stuff is just humdrum boring to me! The Mansur bag is simple and unfussy, but it is a practice in sleek modern minimalism. It is EFFORTLESSLY cool. The Borough and Coach's new bags could have been just as sleek and smart, but their edge was tempered by the addition of superfluous zipper tassels and ugly "vampire fangs" (whatever you call those things that Coach seems to put on their bags to anchor the handles). And don't even get me started on those ugly Bleeker totes. Now, it looks like Vevers' bags are trying to hard to be cool and edgy to attract the cool-girl tastemakers.

My problem with the Borough was that it was "nice enough," but seemed like the target audience was more the corporate middle manager type. Too 9-5, M-F quotidian for me. I'm too young and creative for that kind of bag. The other offerings are just boring, and Vevers' bags missed the mark by a long-shot. The Mansur bags keep selling out, however. I think women (and men) want bags that are chic, edgy and effortlessly cool at a REASONABLE price! Why can't the middle market brands understand this? Tastes have changed.

Your opinion. There's nothing special about the mansur Gabriel bucket bag. And absolutely nothing new about it. This bag goes back yearsss and made by many different designers. So, while you may think you're getting something new and cool with that bag....it's been done and re-done!
 
Your opinion. There's nothing special about the mansur Gabriel bucket bag. And absolutely nothing new about it. This bag goes back yearsss and made by many different designers. So, while you may think you're getting something new and cool with that bag....it's been done and re-done!

Yes, the bucket shape has been around for a long time. I will admit that I was never interested in Coach prior to the Borough, so if Coach was intending to lure in a different customer, they at least did with me, briefly. I was eagerly anticipating what other things Coach would do with a new creative director, given the contemporary direction they decided to go with the Borough/Urbane capsule collection.

Alas, they failed to keep my interest and given their financial track-record even before the release of the Borough collection, they seem to be misunderstanding the market.

So, if a "done and re-done" style, as you put it, is selling so well, what do you attribute that to? There are plenty of bucket bags on the market. Most of them suffer in one way or another. Yet that hasn't stopped an entirely new brand from selling out of a "done and re-done" product. You may not like their bags, or maybe you just have an emotional attachment to the Coach brand, but those, too are just your opinions.

I'm merely commenting as someone who was lured in recently by rumblings of what could have been something great. Forgive me if I don't have all of the historical or emotional, ahem, "baggage."
 
Actually, I am not going to restrain the perceptions streaming in my head after seeing this campaign. Here are some primary ideas I've been mulling over.

Way back when I got my first Coach bag, I recall a theme or motto of how carrying a Coach was a hallmark of "arriving." I knew there were many other designers that equated to this as well, but the simplicity of Coach and its concerted attempts to make bags that really streamlined women into a professional look for the world of work is what appealed to me ( and obviously ,any, many others) greatly. I could take my black and silver Willis (as just one example) into a meeting with the best of my university's male administrators and blend right into the fold, without having to sacrifice femininity entirely.

Now I realize I'm focusing on Coach as a handbag designer vs lifestyle designer , the latter of which Coach obviously wants to go. I don't see much if any of my lifestyle in this runway shoot. And I surely hope that I'm not seeing what Coach perceives as a general , female lifestyle in this shoot. Why?

The models look depressed, sullen, angry...and haughty. If this is to represent the lifestyle of female Coach shoppers, I take great umbrage. I would hope that my choice of designer would reflect success, peace, joy, and wanting to look successful.

The models are also horribly thin, and I see others commenting on this on the Coach facebook page. With much relief, at least others are on the same page with me. It's not wrong to be very thin. There are women who are born this way, take great care of themselves, and have very thin figures. I do not, however, see thin women with scowling faces such as those we see in movies such as THE SHINING. Thin women do not typically carry themselves with such deportment. Meanwhile, thin women have coloring in their complexions. Thin women smile. Thin women do not have facial expressions that resemble women walking behind coffins. Thin women do not look at other women as though that other person is a low life who doesn't deserve more than an askance glance. Thin women look healthy and reflect an image that offers others the hope that a beautiful frame can be obtained through really of good choices and actions. They don't reflect an image that implies, "One more step towards me , and I'm going to kick you."

I'm not even that thin. I'm just taking whole-hearted umbrage that Coach implies that women may or cannot look bold, strong, happy, confident, peaceful and in charge. The models here imply that timid, weak, unhappy, conflicted meekness is what characterizes that "road" to womanhood that this campaign aims to portray.

Once, shame on them. Twice....well, I have my answer.


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Well said.
 
Yes, the bucket shape has been around for a long time. I will admit that I was never interested in Coach prior to the Borough, so if Coach was intending to lure in a different customer, they at least did with me, briefly. I was eagerly anticipating what other things Coach would do with a new creative director, given the contemporary direction they decided to go with the Borough/Urbane capsule collection.

Alas, they failed to keep my interest and given their financial track-record even before the release of the Borough collection, they seem to be misunderstanding the market.

So, if a "done and re-done" style, as you put it, is selling so well, what do you attribute that to? There are plenty of bucket bags on the market. Most of them suffer in one way or another. Yet that hasn't stopped an entirely new brand from selling out of a "done and re-done" product. You may not like their bags, or maybe you just have an emotional attachment to the Coach brand, but those, too are just your opinions.

I'm merely commenting as someone who was lured in recently by rumblings of what could have been something great. Forgive me if I don't have all of the historical or emotional, ahem, "baggage."

The mansur bucket bag hype will die soon. Then what? They've been in business 3 years....how long will they survive? Another 5? Who knows?! And emotional attachment to a bag or a company? Lol. No.
 
There's a new Fall 2014 NYFW youtube video posted on the coach.com landing page along with the Look Book--the models are smiling...and, yes, they were serious about the hats...reminds me of the Saint Laurent shows from last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBgquiufTLg

http://www.coach.com/online/handbag...StaticPage/stuart_vevers_coach_fw2014?LOC=hr1

That video has such a different feel to it from the pics. Much more of a dreamy quality, I would say? Changed my view of the collection a bit.
 
The mansur bucket bag hype will die soon. Then what? They've been in business 3 years....how long will they survive? Another 5? Who knows?! And emotional attachment to a bag or a company? Lol. No.

I just wanted to comment on my feelings about Vevers' first bag collection and used the Mansur Gavriel purchase to contrast my personal preferences to what the Coach product is ATM. I'm not loyal to brands. I do have aesthetic preferences, though. I buy what catches my eye and fancy and fits my personal style, which is minimalist with a more polished punk-rock/grunge lean.

If Mansur Gavriel folds next week, it would not change my liking of their bag. Given that bucket bags have been around for so long, then they are clearly a perennial safe bet. And if Coach decided to make the Classic Duffle just a wee bit smaller, it would be perfect!

As for the Vevers collection, I LOVE the clothes! The oversized houndstooth and that rocket sweater are TDF! I'm just not digging the bags. I don't know if this new direction will be enough to turn domestic earnings around for COH, which have declined for three straight quarters! They've lost considerable market share to Michael Kors and Tory Burch. The numbers don't lie. Clearly the models and the "look" of the Coach A/W collection are geared to an edgier, more fashion-conscious and possibly younger demographic.
 
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