Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks for the info and the old ad, Hyacinth. I am not very familiar with bags from the 60s, 70s and 80s. I love the style but wouldn’t buy this one due to the color (and missing strap). Without knowing the name and not having any style number to search, it’s not easy to find info on the older vintage bags. According to the old ad, the color in the Goodwill auction must be “Tabac.” Now that you gave me the name of the style, I looked for it online. There aren’t too many around, and those I found were very pricey (I saw one for over $600 and it wasn’t even in great condition) or were colors I’m not interested in. I saw a gorgeous burgundy one but it was really expensive. Now that I know the style name I can search periodically and maybe I’ll get lucky. While searching I found a Wall St. Journal article from 2012 about Coach’s launch of its Legacy collection, bringing back old styles but tinkering with them - lighter leather, etc. The article has a photo of two old Crescent bags from 1964. Interesting article. Makes me wonder why they didn’t bring back the Crescent. In case anyone wants to read it, here’s the link:

Coach Comes Around to Reclaim Its Iconic Look

Coming soon to stores is the Coach Legacy Collection, handbags that are more faithful to the brand's iconic designs.

www.wsj.com

The article won't open for me. Not a problem, I vaguely remember the original article.

However, just a few things you may want to know. Coach DID bring back a similar style in late 1996 and early 1997 called a Saddle bag, style 9988. They also previously brought back the Crescent in 1991 for their 50th Anniversary Retro Collection.

Coach has brought back many of their original styles at one time or another, often more than once. Sometimes they're faithful copies of the original, sometimes not. They can be hard to find because Coach serial numbers didn't include the style number until 1994, and because many sellers who don't have years of experience selling and researching Coach items don't really have ANY idea about the name, actual number, or actual age of the items' they're selling. And older styles were often faked, regardless of what some bogus "authenticity guides" claim.

The 2012 Legacy remakes as well as other attempts to bring back older styles but without the same quality leather as the older styles has been discussed here many times already. In some cases the true vintage lovers here haven't been impressed with the results. It's a very complicated subject, and just because the WSJ thought it was a good idea from a business point of view doesn't mean that Coach lovers and collectors felt the same way. The newer leathers made after the move to China usually go through a different tanning process and while some are trying to stay close to the originals, many will have more plastic coatings and fillers than any vintage pre-China bags ever did, because US laws regarding leather content were changed during that period to allow less leather and more plastic content while still allowing it to be classified as "leather".

Coach Originals vs Coach Classics vs Vintage

There's been a lot of confusion about the recent "updated release" of older style coach bags so I've attached a couple of screenshots that might be helpful (click on the images below to enlarge.) The first image shows a snapshot from the "Coach Originals" page currrently on coach.com. These...

forum.purseblog.com

There's also a very long and in-depth comparison of Coach leathers over the last 50 years called the Coach Screed that anyone seriously interested in Coach needs to read, slowly and carefully:
https://secure40.securewebsession.com/archetype.site.aplus.net/52125/5201925/TheCoachScreed.htm

Keep in mind that we have a Vintage Photos and Chat thread at the main Coach forum, Coach Clubhouse subforum, devoted to discussing classic and vintage styles and details.

Vintage Coach Photos & Chat

Since I recently acquired some older coach, not just older in age, but ones that are more throw-back to the classic styles, lines and designs I figured a thread to post ALL of our pictures would be right up our alley. We've had quite a few threads pop up of recently that include rehabbing of...

forum.purseblog.com

This thread you're posting in right now is for authentications specifically, so if you're trying to find out more about vintage items, the Vintage Photos and Chat thread is the best place to ask or search when an authentication isn't required.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello,
I’d greatly appreciate your help in authenticating this bag I purchased please.

Item: Coach Beatnik Dinky (listed as Coach leather handbag)
Listing/ Reference #: 5729510
Seller: Cecilia
Site: Vestiaire Collective
Link: https://www.vestiairecollective.com...ach/black-leather-coach-handbag-5729510.shtml

I noticed there is a letter missing on the word “number” at the end of the creed. The word is spelled “numbe”. Also, some of the rings around the stones are cracked. Some of the rivets seem to be plastic. I will add pictures that are not posted on the listing. Thank you very much!

Please wait for one of the authenticators experienced in newer styles to look at it. I'm not sure when they'll be back from vacation.

 

[FrenchieBull]

I purchased these a while ago at a local garage sale. I’ve read in past posts that you look at the item’s construction to determine authenticity on these. But what sort of things are you looking for?

large: 4 x 6 inch
Small 3.5 x 4.5 inch

Thanks for all your time and help!

 

[Hyacinth]

I purchased these a while ago at a local garage sale. I’ve read in past posts that you look at the item’s construction to determine authenticity on these. But what sort of things are you looking for?

large: 4 x 6 inch
Small 3.5 x 4.5 inch

Thanks for all your time and help!

I have absolutely NO idea. In my opinion, construction by itself can never PROVE authenticity. It can only indicate that it's likely. But that's just my opinion. The only thing I would consider proof are the stamps, and I don't have any examples for comparison.

I'll leave these for someone who knows more about them than I do.

 

[katpeony]

Dear Authenticators,

I took a risk and bought this vintage dinky purse because I love the colour and it was a decent price considering how vintage pieces have gone crazy high in price this past year. Hoping it is real as it looks like my other black authentic dinky from what I can tell. Could you please review and let me know if it is authentic please?

Coach Crossbody Purse-Dinky Teal Glove Tan Leather | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Coach Crossbody Purse-Dinky Teal Glove Tan Leather at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.ca

seller: renovationoutlaws

Thank you!

 

[Roro]

Hello,
I’d greatly appreciate your help in authenticating this bag I purchased please.

Item: Coach Beatnik Dinky (listed as Coach leather handbag)
Listing/ Reference #: 5729510
Seller: Cecilia
Site: Vestiaire Collective
Link: https://www.vestiairecollective.com...ach/black-leather-coach-handbag-5729510.shtml

I noticed there is a letter missing on the word “number” at the end of the creed. The word is spelled “numbe”. Also, some of the rings around the stones are cracked. Some of the rivets seem to be plastic. I will add pictures that are not posted on the listing. Thank you very much!

Good morning. I cannot comment on authenticity, please wait for one of the experts. I can, however, tell you that I had the Beatnik Rivets Rogue and, yes, the rings around the stones can crack and some of the rivets were plastic. Also, the rivets seem to fall off of the bag easily. I would suggest you take a close look, line of rivets by line of rivets. The rivets were both a reason why I loved and wanted the bag and a reason why I sold it.

 

[Hyacinth]

Dear Authenticators,

I took a risk and bought this vintage dinky purse because I love the colour and it was a decent price considering how vintage pieces have gone crazy high in price this past year. Hoping it is real as it looks like my other black authentic dinky from what I can tell. Could you please review and let me know if it is authentic please?

Coach Crossbody Purse-Dinky Teal Glove Tan Leather | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Coach Crossbody Purse-Dinky Teal Glove Tan Leather at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.ca

seller: renovationoutlaws

Thank you!

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Authentic and made in NYC some time between the late 1970s and 1988.

 

[chinchi11in]

Please wait for one of the authenticators experienced in newer styles to look at it. I'm not sure when they'll be back from vacation.

Thank you

 

[katev]

Hello,
I’d greatly appreciate your help in authenticating this bag I purchased please.

Item: Coach Beatnik Dinky (listed as Coach leather handbag)
Listing/ Reference #: 5729510
Seller: Cecilia
Site: Vestiaire Collective
Link: https://www.vestiairecollective.com...ach/black-leather-coach-handbag-5729510.shtml

I noticed there is a letter missing on the word “number” at the end of the creed. The word is spelled “numbe”. Also, some of the rings around the stones are cracked. Some of the rivets seem to be plastic. I will add pictures that are not posted on the listing. Thank you very much!

Please wait for one of the authenticators experienced in newer styles to look at it. I'm not sure when they'll be back from vacation.

Good morning. I cannot comment on authenticity, please wait for one of the experts. I can, however, tell you that I had the Beatnik Rivets Rogue and, yes, the rings around the stones can crack and some of the rivets were plastic. Also, the rivets seem to fall off of the bag easily. I would suggest you take a close look, line of rivets by line of rivets. The rivets were both a reason why I loved and wanted the bag and a reason why I sold it.

Wow, what a bag! I have never seen the beatnik dinky but I have the Oat Suede Fringe Dinky 86821 and the construction of the Beatnik bag looks very similar, see Coach catalog photo below. I have posted the creed patch for my Oat bag for your information.

There are more pics of my Suede Fringe Dinky at the link below if you want to see the construction. The bag was in poor shape when I got it so the strap and hangtag are not original, they are replacements.

Coach Rehab and Rescue Club

its actually forest green...where I took the picture the light has washed it out...am taking befores this morning so I can show it colour better. Oh green! I really can't wait then.

forum.purseblog.com

 

[chinchi11in]

Good morning. I cannot comment on authenticity, please wait for one of the experts. I can, however, tell you that I had the Beatnik Rivets Rogue and, yes, the rings around the stones can crack and some of the rivets were plastic. Also, the rivets seem to fall off of the bag easily. I would suggest you take a close look, line of rivets by line of rivets. The rivets were both a reason why I loved and wanted the bag and a reason why I sold it.

Thank you for sharing your experience! I will definitely check the rivets to make sure they’re secure.

 

[DoraLuz]

FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
Item: Couch pouch
Listing number:
Seller and site where listed: @Miefmuffin on Poshmark
Link: https://posh.mk/TNninPN0Nqb
Comments: hello I’d like to know if this is genuine, the straps have me in question?
also, the snaps on the front two side pockets, are those genuine?
I’ve seen at least three different styles of this pouch. Could someone shed some knowledge? Thank you

 

[Hyacinth]

FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
Item: Couch pouch
Listing number:
Seller and site where listed: @Miefmuffin on Poshmark
Link: https://posh.mk/TNninPN0Nqb
Comments: hello I’d like to know if this is genuine, the straps have me in question?
also, the snaps on the front two side pockets, are those genuine?
I’ve seen at least three different styles of this pouch. Could someone shed some knowledge? Thank you

This is a completely different style from the other two. If you can copy and send a photo showing a readable pic of the creed and serial number I'll take a look to see if it's genuine. If you don't need an authentication you don't need to send photos.

PLEASE don't start comparing bags and wondering if one's fake because a few details are different. Don't compare bags looking for mistakes unless you know that they're exactly the same style and style number, it's a waste of time. In the 60 years that Coach has been making handbags and accessories, Coach has made literally THOUSANDS of different bag styles, of course some will have similar details. All 3 you've mentioned are waist pouches of some kind but they're different styles, different style numbers, different names, and made at slightly different times.

THIS is the one you're asking about:



and this is a similar one without the side pockets:


They're mostly from the early to mid-1990s.

I hope that answers all your questions. Please don't worry about comparing different bags unless there's a reason to do so. Coach reuses design details AND style names over and over and over again, that doesn't mean they're the same bag, or even kissin' cousins.

And BTW, we have an entire thread showing scans from dozens of vintage Coach catalogs. You can compare styles there too:

Coach Reference Library

Collection of informative threads with references on Coach bags and other accessories

forum.purseblog.com

Vintage Coach Catalogs

Here is a place to find entire vintage catalogs that been uploaded ;)

forum.purseblog.com

 

[DoraLuz]

This is a completely different style from the other two. If you can copy and send a photo showing a readable pic of the creed and serial number I'll take a look to see if it's genuine. If you don't need an authentication you don't need to send photos.

PLEASE don't start comparing bags and wondering if one's fake because a few details are different. Don't compare bags looking for mistakes unless you know that they're exactly the same style and style number, it's a waste of time. In the 60 years that Coach has been making handbags and accessories, Coach has made literally THOUSANDS of different bag styles, of course some will have similar details. All 3 you've mentioned are waist pouches of some kind but they're different styles, different style numbers, different names, and made at slightly different times.

THIS is the one you're asking about:
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and this is a similar one without the side pockets:
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I hope that answers all your questions. Please don't worry about comparing different bags unless there's a reason to do so. Coach reuses design details AND style names over and over and over again, that doesn't mean they're the same bag, or even kissin' cousins.

And BTW, we have an entire thread showing scans from dozens of vintage Coach catalogs. You can compare styles there too:

Coach Reference Library

Collection of informative threads with references on Coach bags and other accessories

forum.purseblog.com

Vintage Coach Catalogs

Here is a place to find entire vintage catalogs that been uploaded ;)

forum.purseblog.com

Hello @Hyacinth and thank you for your response. Below I have attached the only photo she has posted. I’ve asked seller for another clear shot but no response as of yet. I was actually hoping you’d provide those catalog pictures of the different styles, and you did! Thank you so much. I’ve also seen the other style pouch with the two pockets in front of the pouch. Do you know which one that is?
Im interested in authentication of this particular one I’m asking for.
thanks again

 

[sallellen]

Hello @Hyacinth and thank you for your response. Below I have attached the only photo she has posted. I’ve asked seller for another clear shot but no response as of yet. I was actually hoping you’d provide those catalog pictures of the different styles, and you did! Thank you so much. I’ve also seen the other style pouch with the two pockets in front of the pouch. Do you know which one that is?
Im interested in authentication of this particular one I’m asking for.
thanks again

 

[lucy7550]

The article won't open for me. Not a problem, I vaguely remember the original article.

However, just a few things you may want to know. Coach DID bring back a similar style in late 1996 and early 1997 called a Saddle bag, style 9988. They also previously brought back the Crescent in 1991 for their 50th Anniversary Retro Collection.

Coach has brought back many of their original styles at one time or another, often more than once. Sometimes they're faithful copies of the original, sometimes not. They can be hard to find because Coach serial numbers didn't include the style number until 1994, and because many sellers who don't have years of experience selling and researching Coach items don't really have ANY idea about the name, actual number, or actual age of the items' they're selling. And older styles were often faked, regardless of what some bogus "authenticity guides" claim.

The 2012 Legacy remakes as well as other attempts to bring back older styles but without the same quality leather as the older styles has been discussed here many times already. In some cases the true vintage lovers here haven't been impressed with the results. It's a very complicated subject, and just because the WSJ thought it was a good idea from a business point of view doesn't mean that Coach lovers and collectors felt the same way. The newer leathers made after the move to China usually go through a different tanning process and while some are trying to stay close to the originals, many will have more plastic coatings and fillers than any vintage pre-China bags ever did, because US laws regarding leather content were changed during that period to allow less leather and more plastic content while still allowing it to be classified as "leather".

Coach Originals vs Coach Classics vs Vintage

There's been a lot of confusion about the recent "updated release" of older style coach bags so I've attached a couple of screenshots that might be helpful (click on the images below to enlarge.) The first image shows a snapshot from the "Coach Originals" page currrently on coach.com. These...

forum.purseblog.com

There's also a very long and in-depth comparison of Coach leathers over the last 50 years called the Coach Screed that anyone seriously interested in Coach needs to read, slowly and carefully:
https://secure40.securewebsession.com/archetype.site.aplus.net/52125/5201925/TheCoachScreed.htm

Keep in mind that we have a Vintage Photos and Chat thread at the main Coach forum, Coach Clubhouse subforum, devoted to discussing classic and vintage styles and details.

Vintage Coach Photos & Chat

Since I recently acquired some older coach, not just older in age, but ones that are more throw-back to the classic styles, lines and designs I figured a thread to post ALL of our pictures would be right up our alley. We've had quite a few threads pop up of recently that include rehabbing of...

forum.purseblog.com

This thread you're posting in right now is for authentications specifically, so if you're trying to find out more about vintage items, the Vintage Photos and Chat thread is the best place to ask or search when an authentication isn't required.

Hi, Hyacinth, thanks for these sources. I’ll check these sources out. There is such a richness of information on this forum! I’ve only been coming here for 6 months or so and have many areas and resources to still explore, thanks to you and others who have been at this for years. I just read the Coach Screed article. It’s well-written and very useful to know more about the old, high quality manufacturing vs the lower quality leather that they’re selling us today. I’ll explore the Vintage photos and chat thread. I appreciate your generous sharing of information.