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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
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  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
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  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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One of this seller's items (seller with a history) was discussed on the ID thread and a past history was mentioned during which I found several current fakes as well as this which I question.

It seems vaguely familiar (like having been posted on AT Coach when listed by a different seller) and either the serial number was photoshopped out or someone attempted to remove it.

Opinions?
Seller (Etsy) - ProVintageGear
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707512..._search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_123

The spacing, the blurriness and unevenness of the stamped text and the U.S.A. concern me.



ID discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...-questions-here.355205/page-932#post-33275254
 
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BeenBurned said:
One of this seller's items (seller with a history) was discussed on the ID thread and a past history was mentioned during which I found several current fakes as well as this which I question.

It seems vaguely familiar (like having been posted on AT Coach when listed by a different seller) and either the serial number was photoshopped out or someone attempted to remove it.

Opinions?
Seller (Etsy) - ProVintageGear
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707512..._search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_123

The spacing, the blurriness and unevenness of the stamped text and the U.S.A. concern me.



ID discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...-questions-here.355205/page-932#post-33275254
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I agree with you about the creed details you mentioned.

The padding in the tab doesn't look right.

Also the turnlock looks strange; it's installed horizontally instead of vertically.

I've never seen a seam down the center of the front panel on a Station Bag.
 
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BeenBurned said:
One of this seller's items (seller with a history) was discussed on the ID thread and a past history was mentioned during which I found several current fakes as well as this which I question.

It seems vaguely familiar (like having been posted on AT Coach when listed by a different seller) and either the serial number was photoshopped out or someone attempted to remove it.

Opinions?
Seller (Etsy) - ProVintageGear
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707512..._search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_123

The spacing, the blurriness and unevenness of the stamped text and the U.S.A. concern me.



ID discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...-questions-here.355205/page-932#post-33275254
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Yep, I remember that POS. There's nothing that proves to me that the creed belongs to that bag, and the bag is definitely NOT a Station Bag from the late 1980s as the creed picture and details seem to be trying to prove. The problems Catbird9 mentioned are valid and the bag and whatever seller pulled/ is pulling this scam are all P'sOS. There's NOTHING right about it. Etsy seller " ProVintageGear " is NOT someone I would EVER buy from, nor would I recommend them to anyone else.

ETA - I commented on the ATC thread back on June 14 and included pics from the 1983 catalog that he refers to in both listings, as well as photos from the June listing including the creed but with the serial number area cut off.
"Crikey, that is AWFUL. Not just the wonky turnlock, but the lock itself is off-center and the flap is lopsided. The proportions of every piece on the bag are wrong from the flap to the top handle. The Made In U.S.A. creed means it was made between 1988 and 1990, so I don't know where the seller is getting his information on the dates but it's NOT from the 60s or 70s. And although he claims it's the 5130 Shoulder Pouch Large from the 1983 catalog the Made In U.S.A creed doesn't fit that year at all. Not just the date is wrong but the proportions of the flap and the direction in which the turnlock is aligned don't match this page from the Fall 1983 catalog he's referring to.
"And why is the photo of the inside showing what looks like 2 greenish leather pieces divided by what looks like a vertical seam? The strap mounting rings are too low on the side, that size bag during the years that creed wording was used should have had a serial number, and I don't see any period after "glove tanned cowhide" on the creed. I don't have any vintage 5130s but was the front of the main compartment made of 2 different pieces? I've NEVER seen that before....
"There's nothing right about that bag. The creed stamp is close although the point at the top of the "A" seems noticeably higher than the tops of the other letters, but the bag is fake."

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166264
 
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Hyacinth said:
Yep, I remember that POS. There's nothing that proves to me that the creed belongs to that bag, and the bag is definitely NOT a Station Bag from the late 1980s as the creed picture and details seem to be trying to prove. The problems Catbird9 mentioned are valid and the bag and whatever seller pulled/ is pulling this scam are all P'sOS. There's NOTHING right about it. Etsy seller " ProVintageGear " is NOT someone I would EVER buy from, nor would I recommend them to anyone else.

ETA - I commented on the ATC thread back on June 14 and included pics from the 1983 catalog that he refers to in both listings, as well as photos from the June listing including the creed but with the serial number area cut off.
"Crikey, that is AWFUL. Not just the wonky turnlock, but the lock itself is off-center and the flap is lopsided. The proportions of every piece on the bag are wrong from the flap to the top handle. The Made In U.S.A. creed means it was made between 1988 and 1990, so I don't know where the seller is getting his information on the dates but it's NOT from the 60s or 70s. And although he claims it's the 5130 Shoulder Pouch Large from the 1983 catalog the Made In U.S.A creed doesn't fit that year at all. Not just the date is wrong but the proportions of the flap and the direction in which the turnlock is aligned don't match this page from the Fall 1983 catalog he's referring to.
"And why is the photo of the inside showing what looks like 2 greenish leather pieces divided by what looks like a vertical seam? The strap mounting rings are too low on the side, that size bag during the years that creed wording was used should have had a serial number, and I don't see any period after "glove tanned cowhide" on the creed. I don't have any vintage 5130s but was the front of the main compartment made of 2 different pieces? I've NEVER seen that before....
"There's nothing right about that bag. The creed stamp is close although the point at the top of the "A" seems noticeably higher than the tops of the other letters, but the bag is fake."

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166264
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Ran out of time...

EATA - The seller PROVINTAGEGEAR claims in the item description that the information is based on an Ebay guide which I'm sure is Tetondeb's / SacsMagnifiques1941's "Guide To Vintage Hang Tags and Creeds" but that Guide like so many others disappeared in the last purge although it was still available in July 2018.
https://www.ebay.com/gds/Guide-to-Vintage-Coach-Hang-tags-and-Creeds-/10000000177697673/g.html

But it's still available on the Wayback:
https://web.archive.org/web/2018122...ang-tags-and-Creeds-/10000000177697673/g.html

Makes me wonder if PROVINTAGEGEAR has been trying to unload that POS since December 2018 which is the last date the Wayback was able to scan and save the SacsMagnifiques1941 Guide from Ebay?

If he shows up here and complains again, please refer him to my June 14 post.
 
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Oooo, baby baby!

I think I found the origin of that phony creed stamp. There were a few minor tweaks, it looks like the "x" in "wrinXles might have been changed (poorly) to a K, but it still looks like "marXings" and the logo at the top is almost identical except maybe the borders of the cartouche may have been changed or the lighting makes it look that way. Compare the too-wide spacing, the period instead of a comma after "scratches", what could be "full Crain leathers". and several more details. It looks like the "A" in the logo has been moved up just a tiny bit in the ProVintageGear fake, which makes the top of it stick up higher than the other letters.

ProVintageGear_Etsy_Shoulder Pouch w. U.S.A, creed_no serial-2019-h.jpg ProVintageGear_Etsy_Shoulder Pouch w. U.S.A, ORIGINAL creed_no serial-2019-i.jpg308-9875-unk green-b.JPG

Here's a bigger pic of the green one:

ProVintageGear_Etsy_Shoulder Pouch w. U.S.A, ORIGINAL 308-9875 creed_no serial-2019-j.jpg

WHATCHA THINK ???
 
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Hyacinth said:
Oooo, baby baby!

I think I found the origin of that phony creed stamp. There were a few minor tweaks, it looks like the "x" in "wrinXles might have been changed (poorly) to a K, but it still looks like "marXings" and the logo at the top is almost identical except maybe the borders of the cartouche may have been changed or the lighting makes it look that way. Compare the too-wide spacing, the period instead of a comma after "scratches", what could be "full Crain leathers". and several more details. It looks like the "A" in the logo has been moved up just a tiny bit in the ProVintageGear fake, which makes the top of it stick up higher than the other letters.

View attachment 4514636 View attachment 4514638View attachment 4514640

Here's a bigger pic of the green one:

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WHATCHA THINK ???
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I do believe that the bag listed on Etsy by Greg of " ProVintageGear " originally had 308-9875 as the serial number prior to it being removed either by a the counterfeiters, a previous owner or the current seller. Whether the seller really cared about integrity or if it was damage control back in 2016 when greggibbs posted here (and the discussion continues through subsequent posts), it doesn't look like he returns to even read or try to learn.

But when I referred to having seen that creed before, I meant that I thought the exact same bag itself had been posted either here or on the ebay boards.

As time allows, I'll try to find it.

Personally, I'm a lot more apt to recommend sellers who learn from mistakes than those who continue to rip buyers off because they think they're expert enough to know what they're doing.
 
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AHA!! Found it!!!!

In reference to the fake bag current listed on Etsy by ProVintageGear, here's the recent post where I KNEW I'd seen it before but hadn't realized it was the EXACT same bag from the EXACT same seller~

From June 14 (thank you @Lake Effect for this find.)
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166127
My reply:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166131
and Hyacinth's post WITH THE PICTURES FROM THE LISTING & CREED:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166264

And earlier that day, there had been a Coach Hall of Shame post with several followup replies:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-410#post-33165395
 
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BeenBurned said:
One of this seller's items (seller with a history) was discussed on the ID thread and a past history was mentioned during which I found several current fakes as well as this which I question.

It seems vaguely familiar (like having been posted on AT Coach when listed by a different seller) and either the serial number was photoshopped out or someone attempted to remove it.

Opinions?
Seller (Etsy) - ProVintageGear
https://www.etsy.com/listing/707512..._search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_123

The spacing, the blurriness and unevenness of the stamped text and the U.S.A. concern me.



ID discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...-questions-here.355205/page-932#post-33275254
Click to expand...

Hyacinth said:
Yep, I remember that POS. There's nothing that proves to me that the creed belongs to that bag, and the bag is definitely NOT a Station Bag from the late 1980s as the creed picture and details seem to be trying to prove. The problems Catbird9 mentioned are valid and the bag and whatever seller pulled/ is pulling this scam are all P'sOS. There's NOTHING right about it. Etsy seller " ProVintageGear " is NOT someone I would EVER buy from, nor would I recommend them to anyone else.

ETA - I commented on the ATC thread back on June 14 and included pics from the 1983 catalog that he refers to in both listings, as well as photos from the June listing including the creed but with the serial number area cut off.
"Crikey, that is AWFUL. Not just the wonky turnlock, but the lock itself is off-center and the flap is lopsided. The proportions of every piece on the bag are wrong from the flap to the top handle. The Made In U.S.A. creed means it was made between 1988 and 1990, so I don't know where the seller is getting his information on the dates but it's NOT from the 60s or 70s. And although he claims it's the 5130 Shoulder Pouch Large from the 1983 catalog the Made In U.S.A creed doesn't fit that year at all. Not just the date is wrong but the proportions of the flap and the direction in which the turnlock is aligned don't match this page from the Fall 1983 catalog he's referring to.
"And why is the photo of the inside showing what looks like 2 greenish leather pieces divided by what looks like a vertical seam? The strap mounting rings are too low on the side, that size bag during the years that creed wording was used should have had a serial number, and I don't see any period after "glove tanned cowhide" on the creed. I don't have any vintage 5130s but was the front of the main compartment made of 2 different pieces? I've NEVER seen that before....
"There's nothing right about that bag. The creed stamp is close although the point at the top of the "A" seems noticeably higher than the tops of the other letters, but the bag is fake."

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166264
Click to expand...

BeenBurned said:
AHA!! Found it!!!!

In reference to the fake bag current listed on Etsy by ProVintageGear, here's the recent post where I KNEW I'd seen it before but hadn't realized it was the EXACT same bag from the EXACT same seller~

From June 14 (thank you @Lake Effect for this find.)
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166127
My reply:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166131
and Hyacinth's post WITH THE PICTURES FROM THE LISTING & CREED:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166264

And earlier that day, there had been a Coach Hall of Shame post with several followup replies:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-410#post-33165395
Click to expand...
The general awfulness of that bag lingers, almost as much as the wanna be red Weston with missing dowels he had up a few years ago . . .
It’s like he finds the worst fakes to round out the authentic. If you have to proceed, do so with extreme caution . . .
 
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