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[Hyacinth]

View attachment 2795768 Hello, May I ask if you guys know Coach have sell this kind of double zip bag ? This is from an online shop overseas.

The pictures look as if they're actually from Coach's website. The nagles, strap placement and positions are all exactly the same as Coach's own pictures. HOWEVER there's NO way to prove that any bags sold by that "overseas website" are genuine since they're not showing photos of the bag they're actually selling. They're stealing copyright-protected pictures from a manufacturer's website without permission, which is against the law in the US.

I would NOT recommend buying from ANY seller who steals photos owned by someone else.

Below is a single picture at the left of the same exact bag in a photo that was used on the website of Dillard's, a large US department store that is a retail partner of Coach and is legally allowed to use Coach's photos. To the right are the photos you posted.

 

[braiherrera]

Hi, I bought a coachg crossbody bag F48806, why is this made in bangladesh? is this auth? TIA

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi, I bought a coachg crossbody bag F48806, why is this made in bangladesh? is this auth? TIA

WElcome to TPF.

For authenticity questions, please post in this discussion:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-855067.html#post26197404

We can't authenticate an item without pictures. Refer to post #1 for the required pictures.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm posting this because I thought it was an interesting discovery.

As we know, there are quite a few serial numbers that are repeatedly used on fakes. I don't know about others of you but I've often wondered how the counterfeiters come up with those numbers.....do they make them up with the few brain cells they have or did they find them somewhere and assume they're valid? (I must have a lot of time to wonder about this stuff. )

Although I don't see this particular number on fakes very often nor did Hyacinth list it on the pages of fake serial numbers here on TPF, I did find that Daria48's ebay Coach guide does make mention:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more-/10000000002744619/g.html --
This quote from ^^^ guide:

012-4447 - has been showing up a lot lately, sometimes with "1941" right at the end of the creed statement. *snip* All bags with that number are fake, and ALL serial numbers starting with "012-" need to be carefully authenticated. especially when they're in styles that are from the last 20 years. "012-3445" has been on the Fakes List for a long time and obviously the fakes makers aren't very creative when picking numbers for their garbage.

So the reason this came up is because I was on the Coach site today and discovered that Coach shows this video with the attached image. Now I know where 012-4447 came from!
http://www.coach.com/online/handbags/Product-coach_classic_duffle_in_leather-10551-10051-17998-en

 

[oldbaglover]

I'm posting this because I thought it was an interesting discovery.

As we know, there are quite a few serial numbers that are repeatedly used on fakes. I don't know about others of you but I've often wondered how the counterfeiters come up with those numbers.....do they make them up with the few brain cells they have or did they find them somewhere and assume they're valid? (I must have a lot of time to wonder about this stuff. )

Although I don't see this particular number on fakes very often nor did Hyacinth list it on the pages of fake serial numbers here on TPF, I did find that Daria48's ebay Coach guide does make mention:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more-/10000000002744619/g.html --
This quote from ^^^ guide:
So the reason this came up is because I was on the Coach site today and discovered that Coach shows this video with the attached image. Now I know where 012-4447 came from!
http://www.coach.com/online/handbags/Product-coach_classic_duffle_in_leather-10551-10051-17998-en

That is very interesting. I can't imagine why Coach would show that clip with a fake serial number. A seller could easily determine that a purse with that number would be genuine if he or she viewed this clip.

 

[whateve]

That is very interesting. I can't imagine why Coach would show that clip with a fake serial number. A seller could easily determine that a purse with that number would be genuine if he or she viewed this clip.

The number itself isn't fake. It would have been used once on an authentic bag.

ETA: I just noticed that the guide says it is always fake. I don't know why they would say that. Each all numeric number could have been used on an authentic bag once.

 

[BeenBurned]

The number itself isn't fake. It would have been used once on an authentic bag.

ETA: I just noticed that the guide says it is always fake. I don't know why they would say that. Each all numeric number could have been used on an authentic bag once.

It's probably an error that the author said it's always fake.

ETA: I've been thinking about this. What probably happened is that several different style fakes showed up with the same serial number. Without having seen that "Coach" page, there's no way of knowing where the counterfeiters got the number so it was probably assumed that they made it up.

Certainly, they'd never seen 00138 or NT-4903 so those numbers were made up.

Until I happened upon that page today, I never even would have considered that the fakers copied something they'd seen in a catalog.

 

[Hoalatha]

I'm posting this because I thought it was an interesting discovery.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more-/10000000002744619/g.html --
This quote from ^^^ guide:
So the reason this came up is because I was on the Coach site today and discovered that Coach shows this video with the attached image. Now I know where 012-4447 came from!
http://www.coach.com/online/handbags/Product-coach_classic_duffle_in_leather-10551-10051-17998-en

It's funny to see this posed because I was JUST thinking about that a couple of weeks ago. I saw the image on Coach's website and thought "I bet a bunch of counterfitters use that number as a result of that photo."
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[Hyacinth]

The number itself isn't fake. It would have been used once on an authentic bag.

ETA: I just noticed that the guide says it is always fake. I don't know why they would say that. Each all numeric number could have been used on an authentic bag once.

I spotted that number in my catalogs quite a while ago so I knew why it was used so often. In fact I thought I even mentioned that in a post somewhere and included the same photo, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.

And I KNOW that there's a chance that there may be one genuine bag with those listed fake numbers out there somewhere but almost all the fakes I've found with the always-fake numbers have been newer, sometimes much newer styles, than any legit bag with the same number could possibly have been (any genuine bag with the 012-4447 number would have to have been made before 1993), so there's no question that the bag might be one of the real ones. I'd prefer to take that very small chance if it keeps a dozen fakes with the same number out of circulation. And for as long as I've been studying fakes I've NEVER found a genuine bag with one of the listed always-fake vintage numbers.

"It's probably an error that the author said it's always fake"

No, it's an educated guess with a lot of experience behind it.

"ETA: I've been thinking about this. What probably happened is that several different style fakes showed up with the same serial number. Without having seen that "Coach" page, there's no way of knowing where the counterfeiters got the number so it was probably assumed that they made it up."

I'm always very careful about adding numbers to the List, and will usually wait until I see at least two bags with the same fake number before adding that number. I don't spend time or space on one-offs, there are just too many of them. And I think the number was added to the List a year or two before I saw the photo because that was the reason the photo caught my attention - I already knew it was on the Fakes List.

 

[Hyacinth]

That is very interesting. I can't imagine why Coach would show that clip with a fake serial number. A seller could easily determine that a purse with that number would be genuine if he or she viewed this clip.

You're putting the cart before the horse. That photo with that number was posted in catalogs at least as early as 1991, and that's where the fakers found and copied the number. I think it was first used in the 1991 50th Anniversary catalog and in several after that.

 

[whateve]

I'm posting this here because this is the first one I've seen. It has a glued-in serial number, but doesn't have the registered trademark symbol next to Coach or the line "coach bag registration number" that should be underneath the number. Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-coa...1-/151566549634?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:3160
I wonder if it was stamped irregular because they forgot to put a number on it and so glued one on later.

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm posting this here because this is the first one I've seen. It has a glued-in serial number, but doesn't have the registered trademark symbol next to Coach or the line "coach bag registration number" that should be underneath the number. Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-coa...1-/151566549634?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:3160
I wonder if it was stamped irregular because they forgot to put a number on it and so glued one on later.

It's possible - Tetondeb might know.

 

[BeenBurned]

-9363 style numbers have started to show up on fakes, usually some kind of Signature, Sig Optic or Sig Tie-Dye fabric. On some the creed patch looks a bit "off" but on others it might look very accurate. The full serial number usually is F04U-9363 but the thing to remember is that any genuine bag with this style and/or serial number should only be a standard Signature C fabric in a Soft East-West Duffle style. Check Ebay for the genuine version, there are usually several listed for sale. A photo of the GENUINE style 9363 is below:

I'm bumping this post to update.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 9363, BE SURE TO HAVE IT AUTHENTICATED!

I been seeing some very close fakes in the "correct" style, "correct" pattern but with 1996 date codes and creeds describing US-made leather bags.

This bag wasn't made by Coach until 2004 and wouldn't have been made in the United states.

But to show the "scariness" of how close they are, here are a couple of pictures of the fakes.

This one is missing the tassel but the details are dangerously close:

And this one, tassel and all:



I can't read the full serial number but the text describes "leather" and made in the US and the prefix isn't valid:



And the stitching around the trim on the pocket?!?! Yikes!

 

[Vee02]

I just purchased this coach beekman briefcase 5266 and need help on authentication. I think the color is in british tan but am unsure.

 

[Hyacinth]

I just purchased this coach beekman briefcase 5266 and need help on authentication. I think the color is in british tan but am unsure.

Welcome to tPF!

We know that finding the right place to post questions in these forums can be very confusing. The place to ask questions about the authenticity of specific items or listings is in the Authenticate This Coach thread just a few steps away from this one. Read post number 1 of that thread first to see what kind of information we need.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-889527.html

The briefcase is a genuine Beekman Brief made in 1994.