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Omg I’ve just realized I made it twisted for the myanmar-burma thing (pardon my dullness). I double checked the tag, and yes it says myanmar (burma).A02DA2CE-9BE3-4121-BC1A-3B4E292F3F25.jpeg

Actually there are plenty trusted local seller as well, but I still kinda feel like I have to at least giving people the right information about the authenticity. It is because most of people probably been saving their money to get the authentic ones and I feel pity for they do not know what they’ve bought.

The thing perhaps because there are a lot of people don’t understand english very well and it will cost them a lot to buy from overseas sellers. FYI, most deceivers here claim for what they sell are genuine but didn’t pass the QC for being sold at the store so the price is way cheaper.

The other thing people do here to check the authenticity is that people compare fonts and alignment on the price tag. Is it legit that the outlet/ retail store always have same font one and another? Idk because I never shop in any coach outlet / retail store in US personally.

Thanks for your kind response BB :)
 
There's some very INACCURATE information in that post you quoted. That post, first on this thread is from February, 2007 and whether or not the poster is still active here, I don't know.

Much of the info is misleading and much is downright wrong!!

See my comments in red:
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Originally Posted by kallison (note: if there is something i missed, or that needs to be elaborated on, please correct me!)

Alright, I figured we could use a thread to condense our knowledge of how to determine a fake.
First, NO style is exempt from being faked. Please don’t assume that, just because it is a new style, that it cannot be faked.

Correct!

Second, as a generality, all-leather bags are not faked. They just are not cost efficient for the fakers. And you can usually tell real leather and the fake stuff when it’s on the entire bag (as opposed to trims, etc).

VERY wrong! In fact, some of the all-leather classics are among the "better" fakes and it takes expert eyes and expert knowledge of what to look for to authenticate them.

Now the little details…for signature.

The signature c’s are ALWAYS symmetrical. If there is a seam down the middle of the bag, each side is an exact mirror image of the other side. *there is a SMALL exception for the mini signature pieces, but that is only a small difference.

Wrong! There's hardly anything with Coach that is "always" or "never." Just about every single "rule" has exceptions.

This is just one example of a bag where the bag was designed such that one side had what we'd consider "properly" matched and aligned patterns and the other side was not "properly" centered. (Style number 10483.)


SIDE 1:


SIDE 2:



The double c’s should touch, making what looks like a broken infinity sign. (it ends up being, basically, every other set of c’s).
authentic:


The c’s have a little “hook” to them. If they’re all completely a curve, it’s fake. (this goes for mini signature as well).

Wrong! Depending on the signature pattern style, some are serif and some are sans serif.

The signature is NEVER crooked or slanting. (I think there was one exception to this, that I know of, where it was at an angle…I think it was a holiday bag?)

There are many exceptions where items have bias prints.

One such example:






Other stuff…

Check Coach.com or the drilldown for pictures of how the bags are supposed to look. Familiarize yourself with authentic bags.

Wrong! In fact, some of Coach's stock pictures are NOT indicative of the final production item and often helps in identifying fakes. (The counterfeiters didn't know that Coach changed the item from how it was originally shown.)

Coach's stock picture is on the left and an authentic version that they made is on the right:




It’s difficult to tell in auctions, but the hardware is NOT cheap and light. It is substantial and has weight to it. The hardware is usually stamped, but that varies with each bag.

Wrong! In fact, usually, the more stamping on hardware, the more likely the item is to be fake.

When looking at patchwork bags, there is NO variation. If there is supposed to be a pink patch by the handle, it is ALWAYS supposed to be there. They are not individual patchworks.

Wrong! Sometimes backs and fronts differ, sometimes back and front will be a mirror image of the other.

Hangtags match the leather on the bag (ie, no vachetta and a red hangtag). Just having a hangtag is NOT proof of authenticity. These are very easy to swipe…and you can easily get replacements from coach.

Wrong! Hangtags don't necessarily match the leather of the bag.


Dustbags come in two main looks. The outlet bag is white with red lettering, while the full-price one is brown with red lettering. Both say “COACH est. 1941” and have a red drawstring. (It is notable that the outlet bags are much thinner than the ones you get at a full-price store). There are special edition dustbags out there for certain bags, but they do NOT look cheap.

Wrong! There are different colors, different styles and different fabrics of dustbags, depending on the style of the bag, the collection it came from, etc.

And there are cases where authentic dustbags might be included with a fake by a seller either knowingly or not trying to fool a buyer. And the corollary also happens where a seller has a genuine bag with a fake dust bag.



All BAGS have a serial number. Smaller items, like wristlets, do not. the creed is never crooked and the words are always spaced evenly.

Partially correct: Smaller items may or may not have creeds. Those with creeds may or may not have a serial number.

As for the statement she posted that words are always evenly spaced, that's incorrect.


Signature bags do NOT have signature linings.

Partially correct: There are a number of patchwork styles that have patches with signature prints on the outside and signature lining.



The auction itself…

How is the sellers feedback? Do they have negatives for selling fakes?

Wrong!

  • There are sellers who have never sold an authentic item yet they have 100% feedback.
  • There are sellers who claim ignorance when "caught" and issue refunds to buyers who got a fake from them. Buyer is so happy to get a refund that they leave positive feedback for the seller -- who often relists and scams another buyer
  • There are sellers who sell lots of Coach but don't authenticate their item and often mix genuine and fakes. Those sellers are (IMO) the most dangerous because they've earned the trust of buyers who believe that they only sell authentic.

I'd love to see some of the posts with bad advice removed from this thread because it's confusing to those who don't know which posters they can trust, who posts accurate information and who posts inaccurate and/or incomplete info.

Unfortunately, posts like post #1 of this thread have caused heartache for honest sellers who sold items to buyers who believe the drivel they read online and falsely accuse them. And additionally, sadly, there are buyers who believe the fakes they received are authentic because they read it here.
wait so the first post is mostly inaccurate....okay then. Why is that pinned still? Can we have a new one?

Now I really need to get a picture of the creed when I get home and maybe a made in a tag....I'm genuinely nervous again.
 
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Omg I’ve just realized I made it twisted for the myanmar-burma thing (pardon my dullness). I double checked the tag, and yes it says myanmar (burma).View attachment 4966022

Actually there are plenty trusted local seller as well, but I still kinda feel like I have to at least giving people the right information about the authenticity. It is because most of people probably been saving their money to get the authentic ones and I feel pity for they do not know what they’ve bought.

The thing perhaps because there are a lot of people don’t understand english very well and it will cost them a lot to buy from overseas sellers. FYI, most deceivers here claim for what they sell are genuine but didn’t pass the QC for being sold at the store so the price is way cheaper.

The other thing people do here to check the authenticity is that people compare fonts and alignment on the price tag. Is it legit that the outlet/ retail store always have same font one and another? Idk because I never shop in any coach outlet / retail store in US personally.

Thanks for your kind response BB :smile:

The "didn't pass the Quality control" explanation is as old as dirt and is just as much a lie today as it was 10 or 20 or 30 or 50 years ago. Coach has their own way of seliing items that may not be top quality but it's NOT by selling them to small local or online sellers. They would be sold to legitimate trustworthy stores or sent back to the US to be sold at the factory outlet stores or one of our huge discount store chains like Marshall's or TJ Maxx. Saying that something didn't pass quality control sounds like a perfect excuse for counterfeits with poor construction and production mistakes, but Coach does NOT do business that way. Never trust any seller who makes that claim.

@BeenBurned may be able to give you more information.
 
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The other thing people do here to check the authenticity is that people compare fonts and alignment on the price tag. Is it legit that the outlet/ retail store always have same font one and another? Idk because I never shop in any coach outlet / retail store in US personally.

Thanks for your kind response BB :smile:
Be careful of basing an authentication on the fonts on tags. While the counterfeiters usually make some mistakes on any or all of the following (fonts, UPC codes, color codes), that's not a foolproof determining factor of authenticity of the item with which it's included.

  • Replacement tags made at an outlet store have different fonts than the original tag and might appear "wrong."
  • Tags and fonts have changed over the years so what was correct in the past may not be correct today (or whenever the bag was made).
  • And the scariest possibility is that some of the fakes are so close that I suspect genuine items were bought, disassembled and copied so "almost-perfectly" that if and when they attach a genuine tag or make photocopies of the genuine tag on the correct weight cardboard, the fake might not be caught.
 
The "didn't pass the Quality control" explanation is as old as dirt and is just as much a lie today as it was 10 or 20 or 30 or 50 years ago. Coach has their own way of seliing items that may not be top quality but it's NOT by selling them to small local or online sellers. They would be sold to legitimate trustworthy stores or sent back to the US to be sold at the factory outlet stores or one of our huge discount store chains like Marshall's or TJ Maxx. Saying that something didn't pass quality control sounds like a perfect excuse for counterfeits with poor construction and production mistakes, but Coach does NOT do business that way. Never trust any seller who makes that claim.

@BeenBurned may be able to give you more information.

Well noted. I am now having no doubt that coach does not do the business like that. Thank you

Be careful of basing an authentication on the fonts on tags. While the counterfeiters usually make some mistakes on any or all of the following (fonts, UPC codes, color codes), that's not a foolproof determining factor of authenticity of the item with which it's included.

  • Replacement tags made at an outlet store have different fonts than the original tag and might appear "wrong."
  • Tags and fonts have changed over the years so what was correct in the past may not be correct today (or whenever the bag was made).
  • And the scariest possibility is that some of the fakes are so close that I suspect genuine items were bought, disassembled and copied so "almost-perfectly" that if and when they attach a genuine tag or make photocopies of the genuine tag on the correct weight cardboard, the fake might not be caught.

Ah I see. It means we have to see very much detail to all parts of the bag and compare it to the exact same bag with the same plant, right?

Anyway, I wonder is there any particular difference in authenticating the vintage and the newer version of coach?
 
Well noted. I am now having no doubt that coach does not do the business like that. Thank you



Ah I see. It means we have to see very much detail to all parts of the bag and compare it to the exact same bag with the same plant, right?

Anyway, I wonder is there any particular difference in authenticating the vintage and the newer version of coach?


Yes, every detail has to be compared to what we know is a genuine bag, and genuine bags are usually examples that we've bought ourselves or have been sold, photographed or listed by a seller who we know is trustworthy and only buys from Coach full-price stores or factory outlets. (Since I prefer older styles and almost never buy bags made in the last 10 years, I don't authenticate those styles either). That's why a huge collection of photos of both genuine and fake bags and other items is important.

There are many differences between authenticating vintage and recent styles. There were many more variations in the construction and especially in the stamping of creed stamps and serial numbers in the vintage bags, so not only do you need to have a wider variety of photos of those details, but you also have to understand that there were a lot more variations because there was more hand-work involved AND you have to try and figure out if an incorrect detail or stamp is simply a human mistake in a real Coach plant or a mistake made by counterfeiters who didn't speak English. Some of the creed stamps in Korean-made fakes from 30 years ago are obviously the result of a very bad translation program. No one who took the time to read them and who spoke and read English well could possibly think they were genuine. Here is a good example, but there are many others -
101-75_blessingforyou87_gibberish creed-lg-a.jpg

That would never have come from any real Coach factory, no matter where it was located.
 
I have a question about authenticating with serial numbers. How much information can a serial number give other than knowing it's genuine from Coach? For example, where the bag is made, which retailer it was sent to?

Thanks!
 
I have a question about authenticating with serial numbers. How much information can a serial number give other than knowing it's genuine from Coach? For example, where the bag is made, which retailer it was sent to?

Thanks!
You cannot authenticate with serial numbers. A serial number can NEVER prove an item is authentic. If an item has an invalid serial number or a number that doesn't belong with the style of item it's on, the serial number will only prove non-authenticity.

It's pretty easy for a counterfeiter to put a "correct" serial number on a bag but that doesn't mean the bag is authentic. And in fact many fakes have seemingly correct serial numbers.

The following are 2 examples of fakes that have "correct" serial numbers.
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fake 5659 bag.png fake 5659 creed.png

For a bag to be authentic, the bag itself, the construction, the hardware, the creed, the fonts, the creed text, the codes of the serial number all have to be correct for when and where the bag was made.

Self authenticating can be dangerous and expensive mistakes can be made in you don't know what to look for.

The most dependable way to authenticate an item is to ask on the "authenticate this" thread of whatever brand item you're looking at. This is the Coach one:
 
I have a question about authenticating with serial numbers. How much information can a serial number give other than knowing it's genuine from Coach? For example, where the bag is made, which retailer it was sent to?

Thanks!

In addition to what BeenBurned already said, ANY information in a serial number in a genuine Coach depends completely on when the item was made. Some serials have no information at all.

I don't know where you heard or read that a serial number proves a Coach is authentic, but if you're depending on the same source for other information, you're already starting off wrong. There are places here at tPF to get accurate information but you need to get rid of any junk "rules" you might already have collected.
 
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You cannot authenticate with serial numbers. A serial number can NEVER prove an item is authentic. If an item has an invalid serial number or a number that doesn't belong with the style of item it's on, the serial number will only prove non-authenticity.

It's pretty easy for a counterfeiter to put a "correct" serial number on a bag but that doesn't mean the bag is authentic. And in fact many fakes have seemingly correct serial numbers.

The following are 2 examples of fakes that have "correct" serial numbers.
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For a bag to be authentic, the bag itself, the construction, the hardware, the creed, the fonts, the creed text, the codes of the serial number all have to be correct for when and where the bag was made.

Self authenticating can be dangerous and expensive mistakes can be made in you don't know what to look for.

The most dependable way to authenticate an item is to ask on the "authenticate this" thread of whatever brand item you're looking at. This is the Coach one:

Thank you! I am very new to this and for the past few years, I've only been buying from either Coach or Coach outlet directly. Recently purchased a Coach Cassie from Mercari. Will go to another thread to ask for authenticity. Thanks again!
 
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In addition to what BeenBurned already said, ANY information in a serial number in a genuine Coach depends completely on when the item was made. Some serials have no information at all.

I don't know where you heard or read that a serial number proves a Coach is authentic, but if you're depending on the same source for other information, you're already starting off wrong. There are places here at tPF to get accurate information but you need to get rid of any junk "rules" you might already have collected.
Ah! Makes sense. Depending on different time periods, Coach has different ways of doing things of course. Thank you for your clarification, I will post a request to authenticate on the appropriate thread. Thanks again!
 
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If the serial number on the price tag and the creed is different (with F and without F). Is this bag authentic?
 

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If the serial number on the price tag and the creed is different (with F and without F). Is this bag authentic?
There are many things that go into authenticating a bag so we can't tell you your bag is authentic just by comparing the price tag to the creed. The F on the price tag indicates a item that was sold at the outlet. When a boutique bag is transferred to the outlet, they make a new price tag, with the F in front of the style number. The bag in your pictures has a boutique creed and label with an outlet price tag, which is perfectly normal for boutique bags sold at the outlet.
 
There are many things that go into authenticating a bag so we can't tell you your bag is authentic just by comparing the price tag to the creed. The F on the price tag indicates a item that was sold at the outlet. When a boutique bag is transferred to the outlet, they make a new price tag, with the F in front of the style number. The bag in your pictures has a boutique creed and label with an outlet price tag, which is perfectly normal for boutique bags sold at the outlet.
Thank you!!
Aside from the difference between creed and price tag,would you mind to authenticate this bag? I posted yesterday but no one responded.

Hello. I was wondering if someone could please authenticate this bag for me.

Item: Brooklyn Carryall 28

Seller and site: RubyCrystal on Tokopedia ( https://tokopedia.link/8Ca3IvlTPgb )

Comments: the seller said this bag was bought in the US, coach retail store. I asked for creed and made in tags pictures but I’m confused whether it’s authentic or not bcs the difference between serial number on price tag (F56839) and the creed (56839, without F)
 
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