WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

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I am so sick I can barely type this.

Here is the Cliffs Notes version of the story:
Zero FB buyer buys a Hermes Birkin from me off of Ebay but via Paypal. Bag is authentic without a doubt. I sold it for around $11K and placed a SECURITY TAG on it.

Buyer receives the bag, loves the bag and states this in an email.

Buyer files a SNAD for a non authentic bag the SAME day she emailed me telling me she loved it.

Never contacts me, nothing.........

My PP account was $11K NEGATIVE for well over a month while PP "investigated."

Paypal never asked me to provide anything to them. BUT I did anyways to protect myself. I sent them the receipt for the bag, and I also had it authenticated from a verified authenticator of Hermes on their letterhead. This authentication service is part of a copyright protection legal firm. I paid $150 out of my own pocket to show without a shadow of a doubt the bag is authentic.

I also sent them all of the emails back and forth prior to the sale and explained on a 3 page letter why I felt the buyer was going to pull a bait and switch because she refused to answer any of my emails.

Well, Paypal does not CARE because today they refunded the buyer all of her money and let her KEEP the bag because she signed an affidavit stating she "destroyed" it.

Sure Paypal.......a scammer just got a $11K bag for FREE and they are going to destroy it???? Yeah, OK.

So, now I lost $11K back to her and she gets to keep my $9K bag. So, I have a total loss of over $20 THOUSAND dollars.

I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER AGAIN use Paypal for Hermes bags EVER!!!!!

I am going to file an appeal but I am sure the same sick people at Paypal that seem to believe all buyers are honest and sellers are liars will find it in her favor again.

Paypal told me I cannot file an appeal because the bag is "destroyed." They told me my only option is to hire an attorney to dispute it with their legal department.

I don't HAVE ANY MONEY for an attorney because I am now out $20K. I want to cry, scream, and hit something. I spoke with a supervisor, I did EVERYTHING and they just keep telling me the same generic answer of , "Paypal has decided to rule this dispute in the buyer's favor." They will not tell me WHY at all!!!!

I absolutely believe that the buyer plotted this all along and had a fake bag that looked like mine already in her possession when she purchased mine. She sent her fake to be "authenticated" as mine and boom! Must be the same bag I sent, right??? I had a security tag on it and PP did NOT CARE. I have been on the phone with them for an hour and spoke with the supervisor that "investigated" it and she said the exact same garbage as the claims rep. "We found it in the buyer's favor and we cannot tell you why." I provided them with a RECEIPT and a legal letter of authenticity!! They said that in ALL cases as SNAD for authenticity, PP will ALWAYS side with the buyer as long as the buyer submits something stating it is not authentic. For instance, she takes a fake bag to be authenticated so they automatically side with them even though I proved the OPPOSITE. They said, "We have no proof she submitted a fake bag, so we have to believe her that she sent the one you sold her." My response was that I did not sell her a fake bag and I submitted a lot of info backing this up. PP said as long as the buyer shows "something" the item is not authentic, they will win and the item will be "destroyed."

So the buyer is ALWAYS right according to them. It is so unreal to me. She said I can only dispute it with an atty outside of Paypal and there is nothing they can do to assist me further. After contacting a few big H resellers I have discovered this EXACT scenario happened to them and that is why they only do wire transfers now. I will NEVER sell ANYONE a H bag without a wire transfer again.

I hope the buyer enjoys her Birkin in Hell.
first step you can call ebay and find the address and home phone number and if its in the us or wherever in the same country like you get a police man and go to her house ASAPPPPPPPP. they did they same thing to me with a celine bag and i had a receipt and everything and they got the bag and the money so i send the police and scared the S..T out of her and the same day she send me my bag back.
 
I am so very sorry this happened to you. I haven't been able to read all of this thread but this is so very disturbing. It seems like the perfect crime.
I hope you can get a criminal fraud investigation somehow.
 
first step you can call ebay and find the address and home phone number and if its in the us or wherever in the same country like you get a police man and go to her house ASAPPPPPPPP. they did they same thing to me with a celine bag and i had a receipt and everything and they got the bag and the money so i send the police and scared the S..T out of her and the same day she send me my bag back.


She sold it off-Ebay so Ebay has no record of the transaction.
 
first step you can call ebay and find the address and home phone number and if its in the us or wherever in the same country like you get a police man and go to her house ASAPPPPPPPP. they did they same thing to me with a celine bag and i had a receipt and everything and they got the bag and the money so i send the police and scared the S..T out of her and the same day she send me my bag back.


the seller knows who she shipped the bag to, right?

she has the name, address, etc...

sadly speaking, police don't look to necessarily get involved
in these sistuations... it becomes a civil matter & has to go
through the courts... buyer doesn't live in the US...
 
the seller knows who she shipped the bag to, right?

she has the name, address, etc...

sadly speaking, police don't look to necessarily get involved
in these sistuations... it becomes a civil matter & has to go
through the courts... buyer doesn't live in the US...

This! OP is in law enforcement, so I am sure she knows how to deal with the criminal aspect of this. Unfortunately, with the state of affairs in the city budgets, there are cutbacks in all investigative departments.
 
I'm really confused. How are you out $20,000? The math doesn't add up. She paid you for the bag and got a refund of her money (hence the negative balance in your paypal account, but that was money she had already paid you - and it was simply refunded to her by paypal). You are out the bag. So you are out the value of your bag and shipping. How does that add up to $20,000? I can see that you have lost your bag, and that's utterly horrible, but you are not out $20,000, at least not any way I can make the math add up? From what I can see, as a paralegal, if you go after paypal, your only damages are going to be the loss of your bag. She didn't get money from you, as it was money she paid that she got back. It wasn't your money that she got, it was her money that she paid for the bag and then it was refunded to her. So your damages in court would be the value of your bag only. You wouldn't be owed her money and your bag.

I'm so sorry this happened though! It's utterly horrible.
 
^ In all fairness it's an 80 page thread and not everyone has the time. I know it's frustrating to read comments that repeat old info but it's not like a 6 page thread someone can quickly catch up on, plus it is the title of the thread after all.
 
^ In all fairness it's an 80 page thread and not everyone has the time. I know it's frustrating to read comments that repeat old info but it's not like a 6 page thread someone can quickly catch up on, plus it is the title of the thread after all.


The issue of the amount being $20K vs. price of bag was cleared up within 5 or 6 pages after the OP was sufficiently flogged. :D Just thought it would be nice to avoid a do-over.
 
this is really an emotional & turbulent place to be in... it is simply horrific
that when OP contacted PP to show proof of authenticity they basically blew her off
hoping to hear some good news..this is just unbelievable and shows that PP doesn't know what they are doing & have inexperienced people making wrong decisions!!
 
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