WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

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gsmom said:
The issue of the amount being $20K vs. price of bag was cleared up within 5 or 6 pages after the OP was sufficiently flogged. :D Just thought it would be nice to avoid a do-over.
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I understand and agree. Just pointing out that it's possible someone was overwhelmed with an 80+ page thread and maybe didn't get that far.

sjunky13 said:
Most people read a page or 2. :rolleyes:
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Yes, but the fact is, its frustrating for the people who take time to catch up, keep updated and post educated comments. I personally try and stay out of threads if there is months of back story (or dozens of pages) that I am not up to speed on. That's just me tho. :shrugs:

On the flip side, I don't like to call people out on it either. You never know if that person has been following along and just happened to miss a bit. When a thread is so long it's easy to miss a page or post here or there.
 
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Excuse me for not reading all 80 pages. I read the first page and tried to catch up at the end. 80 pages is long on an iPhone. Op, sorry I didn't notice you corrected it, and didn't have time to read all 80 pages. I work one full time job and two part time jobs and read the forum only on my iPhone so 80 pages on an iPhone is really long. Sorry OP! Didn't mean any harm, just didn't see the post! Sorry! And to the one poster: I am educated. That was unnecessary and unwarranted. Wow.
 
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Pardon me if this has already been asked and answered, but what was the ebay id of this scammer? I understand this was an off-ebay purchase, but what was the id that was used to communicate about the auction?

OP, I am so glad you bank sided with you! Payfoe is really full of **** and provides little to no help for sellers, even high volume ones.
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Customer charged, filed a chargeback weeks later. His bank, Wells Fargo denied the chargeback but paypal decided they didn't like that answer and told me it was not granted by Wells Fargo. Why? I have no idea, maybe just to mess with me, who knows. Paypal sent me to collections. I sued wells fargo, found out that they did no wrong and it is actually paypal who is lying, have all docs and a youtube video under "myblurbs" screen name. Plus more "evidence". Paypal tried to get their money out of my bank account but I knew what they were up to so kept limited funds in it. They tried to take it out in two separate amounts even, against the law, and failed. Had to close the account. After suing wells fargo, sued customer so he would have to pay them back for his fraud. Won but he filed bankruptcy. sent paperwork to paypal, they ignored it. This happened in 07ish. Last time sued was in 08 I remember. Filed complaints with all state and federal agencies, who shuffeled me to one agency or another because paypal does not fall or at least then, did not fall under any agency legally, however the AG did push papers between us and failed to do anything as followup. So I thought I finally got them off my back after being such a "b" to them shoving evidence in their face and proving they dont know their ass from their head, but in my mail today I received another collection letter from a new agency. I have sense divorced my ex, had to go back to college and don't have funds to hire an attorney or fight this. I will have to file bankruptcy now to get them off my back.

So if anyone knows an attorney, please have him/her contact me. I was hoping someone else went through what I did as my case is different than all the class actions that have floated around. I'm just sick of this.

OH and this is a condensed version of what happened to me. I have a stack of paperwork and files 5 to 6 inches deep literally.
 
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Wow, just WOW. I've been through the entire thread since last night and can't quite believe what i've read. I use ebay to buy/sell quite a lot and never tend to give a second thought to how i may/may not be protected by paypal.

OP, I cannot begin to imagine what this must have been like for you. Especially as at one point through the work of your bank you thought this was over, a done deal.

Paypal seem to be of the thought that as long as they get their money, they couldn't give a rats ass about their customers and do whatever is the easiest and most hassle free option for them and that's disgusting. What I also find so distressing is that the person that originally bought the bag has more than likely either kept the bag for themselves or made a profit from OP's misfortune.

What has been fantastic to read though are the really helpful and reassuring comments to OP from 99% of the members here. I'm sure it's been nice to know that there are people out there that care and are passionate enough about the forum and it's users to offer their time and knowledge to help resolve this case!

I hope this works out for OP and I will definitely be keeping an eye out to see if this is FINALLY resolved!
 
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I just went trough entire thread. First, I want to say how much I am sorry for your trouble.
I truly hope that it will get settled and your credit score will not be affected.

I do not quite understand the difference it makes that the item was shipped to Canada. After being determined that this is civil matter, I see no reason not to sue in Canada. There are enough lawyers here too. You have the shipping address, so you know which city to dial.

All this about “no international shipping” is a tad too much. PP is frustrating, I do agree. I have lost money as a buyer so I did not feel at all protected. And funny enough, all loses were to USA sellers. Life sure is funny thing. But having everything and everybody in a common denominator is not right.

 
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I was looking for something else on the internet and found that

http://www.defencelaw.com/penalty-dishonesty.html

It is definitely a fraud (although not against the society to be considered criminal matter) and there must be something that can be done. You already have all the paper work, why do not try to send a letter to the local law enforcement and the local prosecutor’s office? The worst case scenario is you will be wasting some time and the price of the stamps…

I still can not comprehend why the police blew you off. It is well known fact that a criminal will buy an authentic item, destroy it taking a picture at every step and after each precise incision, send the pictures to a sweat shop somewhere (mainland China, Malaysia…) and have almost perfect fakes. I do not want to be brutal but this is my explanation how the buyer came up with the same color fake bag on such a short notice. I know that the real Hermes is hand stitched and the fakes are always machine sewn. But this is how you lower your production cost and come up with lots of real good fakes.

And another though – what about to reach to Harper Bazaar’s “Fakes are never in fashion” http://fakesareneverinfashion.com/ ? They have resources, contacts and may be able to give some useful advice.
 
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This is horrible. This happened to me with a Chanel bag. I even went to the point of hiring a photographer to sit outside her apartment block for a few days to see if she was using it. Yep she was, so I sent the photos to Paypal & they could care less.

I will NEVER use Paypal for anything again.

So next time you see a seller with "I don't accept Paypal" don't think first it's a fake item but this seller has been bitten before.
 
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bubiandme said:
This is horrible. This happened to me with a Chanel bag. I even went to the point of hiring a photographer to sit outside her apartment block for a few days to see if she was using it. Yep she was, so I sent the photos to Paypal & they could care less.

I will NEVER use Paypal for anything again.

So next time you see a seller with "I don't accept Paypal" don't think first it's a fake item but this seller has been bitten before.
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How much more proof do you need?? Would certainly

have considered suing her for not paying for a bag that

I recognized was mine & she was carrying..
 
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