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Thanks for this information. I'm sorry you had to find it out. At least if you get your bag back in original condition you won't be out any money.
I'm still hopeful that it's a remorse return because I found the listing and the bag appeared to have not been used.I hope the buyer didn't use it.
" ....your advice is not worthy as Coach did things that were out of the ordinary and I am Certain that this is one of them. PLEASE don't Mislead this OP with your ineptitude. Please show facts Like I have in helping this OP. "Just one detail I would like to correct. The authenticators here don't consider ourselves "professional" authenticators. To me at least, the word professional implies someone who gets paid for their work and who can supply valid certificates stating the item is genuine. We're right more often than Entrupy and several other of the major authentication sites or the fly-by-night one-person operations that couldn't tell a fake Coach from a real one if someone showed them pictures of the genuine item. Here's a good example from just a year ago, I won't include the "authenticator''s real or "extra" names or the name of his so-called service but feel free to PM me. I'm sure many posters here already know it.
Coach Authentication
Hello, I don't believe this bag is a Coach. Can anyone confirm that? Thank you!community.ebay.com
You can say that our record of accurate authentications is better than many if not most of the paid services, but we post opinions, not signed certified authentications. The only "proof" a member can upload to a selling site is a link to the post(s) where we've authenticated an item.
ETA - Post Number One in the Authenticate This Coach thread states:
"All Authenticate This threads on tPF are meant to provide assistance to shoppers who are uncertain about the legitimacy and authenticity of designer goods. The evaluations posted by tPF's members are only opinions that stem from personal experiences as shoppers and collectors. They are not legally binding or professional authentications and are not to be treated as such."
^^ *That* comment within the eBay authentication exchange. So many levels of wrong. Facts were shown. Sorry to bud in here but damn that man and his arrogance gets to me. I've had email exchanges with him.
Especially when his comment that "Coach did things that were out of the ordinary and I am Certain that this is one of them" is completely wrong. EVERY detail about that POS was wrong, NOT just one of them! But of course, Dale-Dave who has said over and over in his posts that he's "not an authenticator" is never wrong.
The "NEW VORK" stamp on the fake was the final nail in his authentication coffin. But until more people who have had run-ins with him start filing complaints with owners of sites where he sells such as Poshmark, he's going to continue his lying, bullying, and telling his minions to directly or indirectly accuse everyone on his Enemies List (i.e. tPF members) of selling fakes, among other crimes.
Would you believe he actually ordered his COACH COUNTERFEITS FB members (using his Dave Edwards alias) to complain to Posh about a tPF member and Posh seller who posted in her Posh auctions that tPF had "Free Vintage Coach Catalog Pictures" available here? He told his members to, and I quote, "Report the seller to Poshmark". Here's a screencap from his COACH COUNTERFEITS Facebook group where he says that the tPF catalog scans are "not for free, it is for the benefit of the Purse Forum to acquire more members..." Does ANYONE here remember tPF requiring anyone to become a member just to read the forums or to use our catalog scans as a reference? ANYONE ??? How is that "Not for free"? Another of his unending lies. He's also threatened to report me to Coach for using their photos.
... and guess what HE"S doing? And HAS been doing not just at Posh but also at Mercari AND other sites, (using his daughter's account after his was banned):
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for prices between $29 and $39, and for most of the last year ??? NOTE THE DATE OF THE LATEST POSH LISTING, that's Dec 02, 2021.
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You're not the only person he's targeted, believe me. We've heard some pretty disgusting stories about him and his attack dogs. Keep copies of any communication with him or his Facebook groups' members, and immediately take and save screenshots of any derogatory posts they make against you on any selling sites and send them with a complaint to the selling site's owners, with a request that they be referred to their Legal Department. Searching posts here by me using "vintagecoach4less" or "vtgcoach4less" will help you find more information.
Having an email exchange with him is like p1$$ing into the wind. I'm tempted to post all my screenshots I've made of his Facebook Groups and the lies, obscenities, slanders and assorted other filth he's posted at them using three different IDs here, or better yet maybe I'll just set up a Facebook page. Except mine won't be Private, it will be open to the world. And as a bonus, I'll include the listing for the $75 fake orange "vtg Coach" t-shirt with the Jerzees label and the stripper glitter.
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For the record, I began posting catalog pics because I was lucky enough to score actual paper catalogs for cheap (less than $20 each shipped, and many for under $10-12!!!) over the last few years and I enjoyed sharing the info in them here with members. Period. No other motive than a love of knowledge and sharing it freely. As a former instructor, I have always enjoyed a good textbook. 
I enjoy sharing my/our love of vintage Coach bags here and rehabbing them and have learned so much from this forum as well. I have gotten to know many lovely people here and shared lots of laughs.
Why not open source this information? Catalog pics are already posted on this site and on so many other social media sites and in seller's listings. I had many students who would use textbooks loaned out by libraries to save money. My flea market dream to find a box of old catalogs. Would luuuvvvv to fill in the gaps of our data base. So why not be organized and put it all in one spot? Sheesh.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was joined, unsolicited, spontaneously, in this effort without any dialogue between us. However, it is well known the other "party"
has already freely shared 
more info, more pics, more catalogue info than I can wrap my head around. 
There you have it folks. From the horse's mouth. Blame me!!! Flame me!!! My bad!!! For sharing information about a hobby I really love and enjoy, I will take the hit. Gladly.
I enjoy sharing my/our love of vintage Coach bags here and rehabbing them and have learned so much from this forum as well. I have gotten to know many lovely people here and shared lots of laughs.
Why not open source this information? Catalog pics are already posted on this site and on so many other social media sites and in seller's listings. I had many students who would use textbooks loaned out by libraries to save money. My flea market dream to find a box of old catalogs. Would luuuvvvv to fill in the gaps of our data base. So why not be organized and put it all in one spot? Sheesh.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was joined, unsolicited, spontaneously, in this effort without any dialogue between us. However, it is well known the other "party"
has already freely shared more info, more pics, more catalogue info than I can wrap my head around. There you have it folks. From the horse's mouth.
Blame me!!! Flame me!!! My bad!!! For sharing information about a hobby I really love and enjoy, I will take the hit. Gladly.
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Since no catalog pictures or flash drives are being sold HERE on TPF and is solely for information, those who post HERE are within Coach's terms.
SELLING this information is a violation of Coach's terms.
The following is from Coach's website and similar terms are posted on every brand's site:
www.coach.com
Pertinent parts - bolding and highlighting by me:
Terms of Use
Copyright Information
Tapestry, Inc. (“Coach”) is the owner of the Coach brand. Coach owns www.coach.com ("the Site"). Coach owns or has rights to all of the wallpaper, icons, characters, artwork, images, graphics, music, text, software and other content of the Site (the "Content"), and all HTML, CGI and other code and scripts in any format used to implement the Site (the "Code"). The Content and Code of the Site is protected by copyright. You may not copy, modify, upload, download, transmit, re-publish, display for redistribution to third parties for commercial purposes, or otherwise distribute any Code or Content from the Site without the prior written agreement of Coach. You may not use the Content or Code from the Site for any purpose other than those set forth above. All names, logos and trademarks which appear on the Site are the property of Coach or are used by Coach under license. You may not use any of the foregoing for any purpose without the prior express written permission of Coach. Your failure to comply with these Terms of Use will constitute breach of contract and will violate Coach's copyright, trademark and other proprietary and industrial property rights. You may print in hard copy portions of this website with the sole intent of placing an order with Coach or for keeping store location, hours or phone number information. The use of any such material for any other reason, on any other website, or the modification, distribution, or republication of this material without prior written permission from Coach is strictly prohibited.
Use of the Site
The Site is available only for your personal use, which shall be limited to viewing the Site, providing information to the Site, downloading product information for your personal review and for the purchase of products.
SELLING this information is a violation of Coach's terms.
The following is from Coach's website and similar terms are posted on every brand's site:
Terms Of Use | COACH
COACH Terms Of Use - Use Of Site And Content, Product Information, And More.
www.coach.com
Pertinent parts - bolding and highlighting by me:
Terms of Use
Copyright Information
Tapestry, Inc. (“Coach”) is the owner of the Coach brand. Coach owns www.coach.com ("the Site"). Coach owns or has rights to all of the wallpaper, icons, characters, artwork, images, graphics, music, text, software and other content of the Site (the "Content"), and all HTML, CGI and other code and scripts in any format used to implement the Site (the "Code"). The Content and Code of the Site is protected by copyright. You may not copy, modify, upload, download, transmit, re-publish, display for redistribution to third parties for commercial purposes, or otherwise distribute any Code or Content from the Site without the prior written agreement of Coach. You may not use the Content or Code from the Site for any purpose other than those set forth above. All names, logos and trademarks which appear on the Site are the property of Coach or are used by Coach under license. You may not use any of the foregoing for any purpose without the prior express written permission of Coach. Your failure to comply with these Terms of Use will constitute breach of contract and will violate Coach's copyright, trademark and other proprietary and industrial property rights. You may print in hard copy portions of this website with the sole intent of placing an order with Coach or for keeping store location, hours or phone number information. The use of any such material for any other reason, on any other website, or the modification, distribution, or republication of this material without prior written permission from Coach is strictly prohibited.
Use of the Site
The Site is available only for your personal use, which shall be limited to viewing the Site, providing information to the Site, downloading product information for your personal review and for the purchase of products.
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Did I miss something? Is someone attacking you for it? I really appreciate that you shared them. I hope those catalogs stay posted. I've been too lazy to copy them all to my own files.For the record, I began posting catalog pics because I was lucky enough to score actual paper catalogs for cheap (less than $20 each shipped, and many for under $10-12!!!) over the last few years and I enjoyed sharing the info in them here with members. Period. No other motive than a love of knowledge and sharing it freely. As a former instructor, I have always enjoyed a good textbook.
I enjoy sharing my/our love of vintage Coach bags here and rehabbing them and have learned so much from this forum as well. I have gotten to know many lovely people here and shared lots of laughs.
Why not open source this information? Catalog pics are already posted on this site and on so many other social media sites and in seller's listings. I had many students who would use textbooks loaned out by libraries to save money. My flea market dream to find a box of old catalogs. Would luuuvvvv to fill in the gaps of our data base. So why not be organized and put it all in one spot? Sheesh.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was joined, unsolicited, spontaneously, in this effort without any dialogue between us. However, it is well known the other "party"
There you have it folks. From the horse's mouth.
I think a majority of us saved all the PDFs @LaVinCoach kindly made, so don’t worry about not copying them to your files! We’ve got back ups on back ups!
.I don’t think the person complaining has a leg to stand on. No rules were broken to make the catalog thread.
To clarify, it isn't illegal to sell catalogs. It is illegal to copy catalogs and sell those copies because you don't own the copyright.
It isn't illegal to freely share pictures.
It isn't illegal to freely share pictures.
No, you didn’t miss anything. I just wanted it to be very clear how the thread for vintage catalogs got started. And by posting this, it becomes a record so to speak.
I hope they stay posted too! There have been times when I am sitting at my laptop and don’t feel like getting up and going into the other room to get them.
