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I'm definitely not a damsel in distress who cannot take care of trash and routine things around my home, and I'm raising my teenage daughter in this way, just as my parents did with me.

On topic: like many teenage girls my daughter loves Taylor. I think she's pretty harmless for her teenage fanbase. She maintains a wholesome public image (no visible alcohol or drug use or abuse - not saying she does this stuff but if she does she keeps it completely hidden/private from her fans), her tour outfits are sparkly and not completely revealing, she's close to her parents, and her songs aren't offensive and some are catchy. The lovelorn/break up songs (for me) are not my cup of tea but her fans seem to love them. There are curse words here and there but nothing like a tune like WAP, for example.
 
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limom said:
No, I need a man about as much as a fish needs a bicycle.
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Apparently she wasn't the first to use that phrase but GS certainly had a long, varied list of boyfriends over the years.

On the other hand, Taylor does seem to need a man. She goes very quickly from one to the next. Almost no pausing in between. That's a skill I never learned.
 
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Jayne1 said:
On the other hand, Taylor does seem to need a man. She goes very quickly from one to the next. Almost no pausing in between. That's a skill I never learned.
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I wouldn’t say she needs a man, but maybe she wants one. There’s that old saying “it’s lonely at the top.” While she appears to have everything she could want, she may still long for someone she can share it with.
 
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bag-mania said:
I wouldn’t say she needs a man, but maybe she wants one. There’s that old saying “it’s lonely at the top.” While she appears to have everything she could want, she may still long for someone she can share it with.
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Oh certainly. Just saying she literally goes from one to the next with no wait period in between.
 
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LittleStar88 said:
I don’t need a man. Just a phone to call someone to do these things for me if I choose not to do them. Honestly, the older I’ve gotten the more I feel men are just a pain in the butt.

I don’t see Taylor as promoting that she doesn’t need a man. She’s more an embodiment of working hard and taking care of yourself, being financially independent, and whomever you choose to partner with is icing on the cake, not someone you need to do things for you.

Falling into a pattern of needing someone as a partner for any reason can lead to some negativity. Enables codependency.
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very interesting....So, say you hire someone to do a task that you can either not do, or don't want to do, or don't have time to do, and it happens to be a man....Then yes, you need a man. I don't think men are pain's in the butt...I just think women are conditioned now to think that way. It is a shame. There is something wonderful about having a strong man by your side. The problem is men have also been conditioned by women to feel as if they are pains in the butts. Just my two cents.
 
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baglover1973 said:
very interesting....So, say you hire someone to do a task that you can either not do, or don't want to do, or don't have time to do, and it happens to be a man....Then yes, you need a man. I don't think men are pain's in the butt...I just think women are conditioned now to think that way. It is a shame. There is something wonderful about having a strong man by your side. The problem is men have also been conditioned by women to feel as if they are pains in the butts. Just my two cents.
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Need a man as in need him to live with me/cohabitate and do manly work. Or choose a partner based on what kind of manual labor he can do for me. Believe me, there are tons of men out there who are totally incapable of doing “man stuff”.

Conversely, this can be a discussion about men choosing women to cook, clean, birth them some babies. Not all men prioritize those attributes in a partner.

Sure, I can call for a service and perhaps that person happens to be a man. Fine, but I didn’t call to order a man I called to order a service.

I’m all for people choosing what works for them. But what I’m saying is that in today’s world you don’t need to be in a relationship with someone based on antiquated gender roles in order to get stuff done around the house. Some people thrive with gender roles and to others it’s not a priority.

I appreciate a nice bohunk like many do. But I don’t need to be in a relationship with one if I need the water heater replaced.

To be on topic, I don’t think Travis Kelce is mulling about Taylor’s house fixing broken stuff. They’re totally calling someone to fix things.

She does seem to enjoy cooking for him and doing trad female role stuff so maybe that’s a better discussion?
 
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Grande Latte said:
But society does. I married very, very late and have only one child. I'm judged.
Actually I was discriminated against and many friends left me out because I was single and childless for the longest time. They thought they didn't have common things to share with me anymore. So that's that.

Now as an older mom raising a very young child, I'm making new mom friends. But this time around, I keep my circle small.
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They also think you are danger if you're single. Don't you dare to be pretty on top of that!
And that angst is often stronger than friendship.
I don't like the concept of a lot of women, to bring together only "same kind of" people. As if.
Best parties and interesting get-togethers when nothing was a uniform field.
 
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baglover1973 said:
very interesting....So, say you hire someone to do a task that you can either not do, or don't want to do, or don't have time to do, and it happens to be a man....Then yes, you need a man. I don't think men are pain's in the butt...I just think women are conditioned now to think that way. It is a shame. There is something wonderful about having a strong man by your side. The problem is men have also been conditioned by women to feel as if they are pains in the butts. Just my two cents.
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I mean ultimately all women attracted to men face the reality that they have only their instincts to know whether a man is a good person or if he is going to use his biological strength advantage to abuse and kill them.

It’s definitely not a new feeling that women have felt ambivalent about inviting men into their lives. It’s not simply they are pains but that the wrong one poses a significant thteat for this very reason. What is new is the mass communication that establishes this as a common fear and the taboo of not recognising this obvious power imbalance is finally shifting. Not to mention the financial independence needed for a woman to choose to live without a man is still pretty new for many societies.

Also tbh I’m sure a lot of men would happily say they can’t get a girl because women are pains too but for some reason people seem to more readily accept women are annoying.

Taylor has feminist themes in a lot of her works and for a serial monogamist I do think she has a fair few lyrics about appreciating being single. I don’t care about her current man but he seems an improvement on her last one. A lot of stars have really screwed themselves by marrying the wrong person- I don’t blame her for being wary.
 
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baglover1973 said:
very interesting....So, say you hire someone to do a task that you can either not do, or don't want to do, or don't have time to do, and it happens to be a man....Then yes, you need a man. I don't think men are pain's in the butt...I just think women are conditioned now to think that way. It is a shame. There is something wonderful about having a strong man by your side. The problem is men have also been conditioned by women to feel as if they are pains in the butts. Just my two cents.
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C'mon. People of course need the service and work from other people, but that has nothing to do with the statement.
You don't have to engage romantically with a baker, to buy some bread from him - or her.
When a woman says she doesn't need a man, it means she doesn't need a relationship or marriage with a man to live her life.
The same holds up vice versa for a man.
 
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