Portero & Fake Louis Vuitton

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Dear PurseForum Members,
Thank you for notifying us regarding this specific Louis Vuitton item. We have removed the listing while we investigate the situation.
If there is ever an issue with the authenticity of an item sold on our site, we will indeed refund the customer and attempt to find the authentic product they had originally planned on purchasing.
Portero does work with authentic third party vendors that we personally select through a careful due diligence process. If a customer finds the same item on another site for less, we will provide the customer with the safety of purchasing through our site and match the lower price of the item.
We will update everyone shortly regarding this item.

Sincerely,
Susan Engel, CEO, Portero Luxury

Why did the item as of yesterday show as sold then, after speaking with your representative? And why the lack of honesty via chat regarding the affiliation with Bella Bags. This is very disturbing. I'm not sure how safe, and how much "careful due dilligence" is going on when dealing with vendors like Bella Bags and counterfeit items. When I checked this listing yesterday, it showed as "Sold," and not removed. Clearly, the company either sold it or wanted to make it look as if it was sold. Now that there is an outcry, the item is now "removed."

Either way, it's suspect. I'm not sure how much "price matching," will help customers if the items are counterfeit. And I imagine the people who realize the items are counterfeit may be far less than those who don't, so it's not very comforting that a company riding on coat-tails of a good reputation, where a lot of customers may not think to authenticate, is not going to lose much by offering to give refunds for counterfeit items. A lot of people will either not think to authenticate or ask, or will be loath to go through the trouble of trying to fight what appears to be a large company with a sterling reputation.

I will likely not be purchasing in the future, despite pat assurances given now. The fact that I was misled when very specifically asking about any affiliation with Bella Bags, when indeed there was one, and an advertised one at that, is something where trust is damaged. When it comes time to spend hundreds, or thousands of dollars, on an item I hope to be authentic, I'm not going to take chances when I have been very summarily misled. I've seen this before, with another "on-line reseller," where they came on here and made assurances and counterfeit bags continued to be listed over and over again. My personal concern isn't as much that the missed a counterfeit (although I don't know how this even begins to comport with "careful due diligence"), but in the lack of forthrightness when asked specifically about a business relationship clearly longstanding and advertised. It is definitely an eye-opener to say the least. I will say - the above post does seem like a "stock" response.

i suppose a step in the right direction would be for the company to disassociate itself entirely with vendors selling counterfeits through their site. That might be a huge step in the right direction in terms of restoring trust. Perhaps a letter to their customers acknowledging the problem and suggesting authentication of prior purchases and assuring that all counterfeits will be refunded? Similar to when bank information is stolen by hackers or third parties - acknowledging the issue and making assurances that people will be "made whole," and that they are taking steps to assure that fraud will not occur in the future. I'm not sure what the answers are. I'm still trying to deal with being told there was no affiliation. I find that really disturbing on top of the counterfeit issue. Put together . . . hmmm.

I thank Lee for the careful and thorough vetting done - and the wonderful assistance to all of us as an authenticator. I don't know what we would do without Lee and all the other people who spend so much of their own personal time, energy and kind gracious help, at no pay and with no self-interest to help us all. It means so darn much.

And to this situation, all I can say is, "Caveat emptor."
 
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Even with my above bold red post, Portero still denied and lied about affiliation with Bella bag.

No, it sounds like a self promotion.


Why did the item as of yesterday show as sold then, after speaking with your representative? And why the lack of honesty via chat regarding the affiliation with Bella Bags. This is very disturbing. I'm not sure how safe, and how much "careful due dilligence" is going on when dealing with vendors like Bella Bags and counterfeit items. When I checked this listing yesterday, it showed as "Sold," and not removed. Clearly, the company either sold it or wanted to make it look as if it was sold. Now that there is an outcry, the item is now "removed."

Either way, it's suspect. I'm not sure how much "price matching," will help customers if the items are counterfeit. And I imagine the people who realize the items are counterfeit may be far less than those who don't, so it's not very comforting that a company riding on coat-tails of a good reputation, where a lot of customers may not think to authenticate, is not going to lose much by offering to give refunds for counterfeit items. A lot of people will either not think to authenticate or ask, or will be loath to go through the trouble of trying to fight what appears to be a large company with a sterling reputation.

I will likely not be purchasing in the future, despite pat assurances given now. The fact that I was misled when very specifically asking about any affiliation with Bella Bags, when indeed there was one, and an advertised one at that, is something where trust is damaged. When it comes time to spend hundreds, or thousands of dollars, on an item I hope to be authentic, I'm not going to take chances when I have been very summarily misled. I've seen this before, with another "on-line reseller," where they came on here and made assurances and counterfeit bags continued to be listed over and over again. My personal concern isn't as much that the missed a counterfeit (although I don't know how this even begins to comport with "careful due diligence"), but in the lack of forthrightness when asked specifically about a business relationship clearly longstanding and advertised. It is definitely an eye-opener to say the least. I will say - the above post does seem like a "stock" response.

i suppose a step in the right direction would be for the company to disassociate itself entirely with vendors selling counterfeits through their site. That might be a huge step in the right direction in terms of restoring trust. Perhaps a letter to their customers acknowledging the problem and suggesting authentication of prior purchases and assuring that all counterfeits will be refunded? Similar to when bank information is stolen by hackers or third parties - acknowledging the issue and making assurances that people will be "made whole," and that they are taking steps to assure that fraud will not occur in the future. I'm not sure what the answers are. I'm still trying to deal with being told there was no affiliation. I find that really disturbing on top of the counterfeit issue. Put together . . . hmmm.

I thank Lee for the careful and thorough vetting done - and the wonderful assistance to all of us as an authenticator. I don't know what we would do without Lee and all the other people who spend so much of their own personal time, energy and kind gracious help, at no pay and with no self-interest to help us all. It means so darn much.

And to this situation, all I can say is, "Caveat emptor."
 
Wow, I was just checking out the site which I've never heard of before and their prices are very expensive even for authentic bags. All the pics I've seen of the heat stamps here are fake. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Dear PurseForum Members,
Thank you for notifying us regarding this specific Louis Vuitton item. We have removed the listing while we investigate the situation.
If there is ever an issue with the authenticity of an item sold on our site, we will indeed refund the customer and attempt to find the authentic product they had originally planned on purchasing.
Portero does work with authentic third party vendors that we personally select through a careful due diligence process. If a customer finds the same item on another site for less, we will provide the customer with the safety of purchasing through our site and match the lower price of the item.
We will update everyone shortly regarding this item.

Sincerely,
Susan Engel, CEO, Portero Luxury

Wow so now they are price matching
 
That is messed up, I cannot let this go by. I am extremely against fake designer anything! so I am unliking their Facebook page and I am unbook marking them! thank you for posting about this! that is awful! :nono::mad::censor:

At least there is still some sites out there that we can trust!!!! I hope!
 
I don't know that anyone else has tried. I'll never buy from them again though now that their representative literally lied to me. I'm glad I printed my chat log. I still can't get past the Bella bag thing. Yuck. Now I think they have been turning a blind eye to counterfeits all along. Bella Bags is well known and not in a good way. They had to know. Then they literally lied about a relationship they were well aware of that was longstanding, and advertised, with Bella Bags, and listed the $1,300 fake as "sold."

I almost wish someone had bought that bag and then sued them, and also got state DAs and federal authorities involved. As a paralegal, and officer of the court, I truly would love to see them explaining the sale of counterfeits and fraud in a court of law. And ignorance, which it clearly was not, isn't a defense in any court in this country. I would love to see them prosecuted. It's a violation of both state and federal laws and rises to the level of felony. If I had the money, I'd watch for the next counterfeit, purchase, and go after them myself. On a civil level, they could look at treble damages. That doesn't even begin to touch criminal charges which could be levied, prosecution. Fines and possible jail time depending on the scope and level of criminal activity.

I wonder how many poor people have bought counterfeit bags , jewelry, watches, etc from them based on their reputation and have been swindled and don't know it. This is even worse than fashionphile, which is horrible enough. People buy extremely high dollar items from this company. I'm really really horrified. I wish there was a way to contact ALL past customers to get their Rolexes, handbags, jewelry , antique items, anything they've purchased and have them thoroughly authenticated for counterfeits. I don't even want to think what the scope of this may be. My heart literally aches for the people who may have been taken.

This! Pretty much sums up why people are afraid to buy from a site other than the main store. can we trust any site that sells designer goods at all? anymore? I am starting to wonder. :tdown::confused1:
 

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I guess the vendors on Portero do not know how to authenticate luxury goods. For me the "Portero Promise" is meaningless. Should say something about a money back guarantee...

"THE PORTERO PROMISE
Portero respects the brands we serve. We guarantee the authenticity and condition of all merchandise. We ensure the highest level of service and security. That's our promise. And we don't take it lightly."

Doesn't really matter to me at this point. The representative deliberately lied to me and they are listing fakes. My trust is irreparably damaged. And why is it taking so long to respond - they are still listing fakes.
 
Thank you Purseforum members for bringing this item to our attention.

We are appalled at the notion that we might have a bag on our site that is not authentic. Portero stands by every sale, meaning we immediately refund a customer 100% if there is any question about authenticity. Each of our vendors has been carefully vetted before they can list on Portero, and we have sold tens of thousands of items in our seven years in business, with extremely rare questions about authenticity.

But of course, even the most diligent humans do make occasional mistakes. In the case we ever have an issue with a vendor, we speak with the vendor, and if necessary, we audit and review their processes to make sure appropriate safeguards are still in place. In the case of the Gucci bag, we and the vendor both agree that this item should not have been listed. A third party authenticator is looking at the LV bag.

Please know that our reason for being is to help our customers get the most out of luxury, which has three components: (1) guaranteeing authenticity (2) value – both in price and accurate item descriptions (3) access to a broad selection.

We appreciate feedback so we can continue to ensure providing the best to our customers.

Sincerely, Team Portero
 
Thank you Purseforum members for bringing this item to our attention.

We are appalled at the notion that we might have a bag on our site that is not authentic. Portero stands by every sale, meaning we immediately refund a customer 100% if there is any question about authenticity. Each of our vendors has been carefully vetted before they can list on Portero, and we have sold tens of thousands of items in our seven years in business, with extremely rare questions about authenticity.

But of course, even the most diligent humans do make occasional mistakes. In the case we ever have an issue with a vendor, we speak with the vendor, and if necessary, we audit and review their processes to make sure appropriate safeguards are still in place. In the case of the Gucci bag, we and the vendor both agree that this item should not have been listed. A third party authenticator is looking at the LV bag.

Please know that our reason for being is to help our customers get the most out of luxury, which has three components: (1) guaranteeing authenticity (2) value – both in price and accurate item descriptions (3) access to a broad selection.

We appreciate feedback so we can continue to ensure providing the best to our customers.

Sincerely, Team Portero

The fact the fake LV was sold for $1,300 after you were notified speaks volumes. I took a screenshot showing the bag as "SOLD." Now it's being looked at by an authenticator? Huh? I'm confused. You still have not addressed your customer service representative literally misrepresenting to me via chat regarding your relationship with Bella bags. Bella bags is one of your vendors. I was told outright there was no relationship. This needs to be addressed. Bella Bags is well known on this forum. Will they continue to be one of your vendors? You say on the gucci bag that both you and the vendor agreed it should not have been listed. Is that vendor, who listed a counterfeit, going to continue as one of your vendors? These issues are concerning.

This sounds like self promotion without addressing the issues. I've printed my chat log. Why was I not told the truth to a direct question. Considering other posters found actual advertising of the relationship, I don't believe the representative didn't know. I'd also like to see not only the Gucci addressed but the sale of over $1,300.00 for a counterfeit LV tote.

Unless both vendors are dismissed from listing on your site, for listing counterfeits your people didn't catch, I'm not sure how people could shop with any degree of confidence. I see no acknowledgment that you will no longer continue a business relationship with two vendors who are breaking state and federal copyright laws. This is much more serious than "oh, Oops.". People need to know you will not be using vendors that break the law. I don't see how people can have any confidence in this site without that assurance. I see nothing in the above post ensuring to all that you will sever all ties with any counterfeit manufacturer or seller. That's a pretty big and important omission.

Is any effort being made to contact prior customers so they can have their bags, jewelry, watches etc authenticated and apply to you for refunds for any other counterfeits sold? Are you doing any investigation of all bags sold by these two vendors since the beginning of the business relationship to check for counterfeits sold and make the customers whole if they got fakes from these vendors? I would think this investigation needs to go to the beginning of the time of the business relationship. If there are two counterfeits at one time, with different vendors, it's clear there likely may be more and this needs to be vetted, not just bags going forward.
 
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