Resurrecting this discussion because I am well and truly baffled.
I recently purchased this bag from Rebag. It was listed as "Hermes Sorbonne Tote Ardennes Small." I have received it, and it is most definitely an Hermès bag in Vert Foncé Ardennes. I'm annoyed to learn that it did not ship with the second set of longer handles that was shown in Rebag's eBay listing of the same bag, but that's a grievance for another day...
Online Sale - Authentic Green Hermes Sorbonne Tote Ardennes Small at Rebag.com. Guaranteed genuine! Financing available. 9110622
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From my extensive scholarship of vintage H bags, I've variously understood this bag to be referred to as the Dauphin and the Sorbonne, depending upon whom you rely. This forum post sharing an eBay listing refers to the style as the Dauphin, although several TPF members replied that it was the Sorbonne:
I am eying this bag on eBay for the color and size, and it appears to have a separate cross body strap. Does anyone know the style name? The listing says Dauphin but I can't find anything online by that name.
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One of my old reference catalogues from Japan, the Hermès Perfect Book 2003 also refers to this style as the Dauphin:
However, my Hermès Super Collection catalogue, also from 2003, shows the style to be known as the Sorbonne:
Google searches for "Hermès Sorbonne bag" turn up various iterations of both bags.
The shape of the bag I purchased is the shape of the Dauphin bag depicted in these images I've shared, but a Google search for "Hermès Dauphin bag" yields not a single hit for a bag like this, but rather, oodles of images of various silk and leather dolphin charms, the odd pair of loafers (?), and a prompt to check if I meant "Dauphine" instead.
Fellow vintage H nerds, I implore you to chime in.
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
To my inexpert eye, it appears to be poitron.
And for what's its worth, the only "happy smile" I've heard of is the semi-circle that is worn into the leather ( usually a smooth one) by the swinging of the clochette against it.
Hmmm..
Resurrecting this discussion because I am well and truly baffled.
I recently purchased this bag from Rebag. It was listed as "Hermes Sorbonne Tote Ardennes Small." I have received it, and it is most definitely an Hermès bag in Vert Foncé Ardennes. I'm annoyed to learn that it did not ship with the second set of longer handles that was shown in Rebag's eBay listing of the same bag, but that's a grievance for another day...
Online Sale - Authentic Green Hermes Sorbonne Tote Ardennes Small at Rebag.com. Guaranteed genuine! Financing available. 9110622
shop.rebag.com
From my extensive scholarship of vintage H bags, I've variously understood this bag to be referred to as the Dauphin and the Sorbonne, depending upon whom you rely. This forum post sharing an eBay listing refers to the style as the Dauphin, although several TPF members replied that it was the Sorbonne:
And this forum post also refers to it as the Dauphin:
Google searches for "Hermès Sorbonne bag" turn up various iterations of both bags.
The shape of the bag I purchased is the shape of the Dauphin bag depicted in these images I've shared, but a Google search for "Hermès Dauphin bag" yields not a single hit for a bag like this, but rather, oodles of images of various silk and leather dolphin charms, the odd pair of loafers (?), and a prompt to check if I meant "Dauphine" instead.
Fellow vintage H nerds, I implore you to chime in.
@cakeymakeybakey, I’m absolutely no expert but I’m pretty sure I’ve often seen your Ardennes bag called the Sorbonne; I’ve never seen it referred to as the Dauphin. I think it’s cute!
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
To my inexpert eye, it appears to be poitron.
And for what's its worth, the only "happy smile" I've heard of is the semi-circle that is worn into the leather ( usually a smooth one) by the swinging of the clochette against it.
Hmmm..
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
This is Potiron. I have a Potiron and Parchemin bi-color Picotin.
In French, Potiron means "pumpkin." You will note that this orange is more pumpkin-like than the signature orange of Orange H. Not that it's terribly helpful because different leathers take color differently, but here is a thread comparing the two colors:
Hi everybody! recently I spotted a women carring a beautiful large orange, maybe size 40 kelly. It was absolutely gorgeous. I'm not sure of the color but it was definetly a orange .I could not tell what the leather was .My question is what is the difference of the two. Orange vs Potiron and...
@cakeymakeybakey, I’m absolutely no expert but I’m pretty sure I’ve often seen your Ardennes bag called the Sorbonne; I’ve never seen it referred to as the Dauphin. I think it’s cute!
Yes, it is very cute, and super easy to wear. I just wish I could teleport to Paris and have VIP access to the Hermès archives to do more research on the definitive answer. For now I will call it a Sac Sorbonne, until I can be sure otherwise.
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
The "smile" is from a lock swinging across the leather. To call it a "happy smile" is in the eyes of the beholder (or the reseller!). This one looks like it might have been from a covered lock? More often with bare locks you see an actual line.
The "smile" is from a lock swinging across the leather. To call it a "happy smile" is in the eyes of the beholder (or the reseller!). This one looks like it might have been from a covered lock? More often with bare locks you see an actual line.
To my inexpert eye, it appears to be poitron.
And for what's its worth, the only "happy smile" I've heard of is the semi-circle that is worn into the leather ( usually a smooth one) by the swinging of the clochette against it.
Hmmm..
This is Potiron. I have a Potiron and Parchemin bi-color Picotin.
In French, Potiron means "pumpkin." You will note that this orange is more pumpkin-like than the signature orange of Orange H. Not that it's terribly helpful because different leathers take color differently, but here is a thread comparing the two colors:
Hi everybody! recently I spotted a women carring a beautiful large orange, maybe size 40 kelly. It was absolutely gorgeous. I'm not sure of the color but it was definetly a orange .I could not tell what the leather was .My question is what is the difference of the two. Orange vs Potiron and...
Thanks everyone for helping to identify the color. The color was not what I was expecting when opening the box….then I was sidetracked by the dark mark on the front.
Is this H color Orange or Poitron? It looks different from an orange bag I sold in the past.
Also….see the dark half circle under the front plate? was told (when I complained as the dark mark was not disclosed) that it is called a “Happy smile” and is common on Birkins….why have I never heard of this?
For now I will call it a Sac Sorbonne, until I can be sure otherwise.
