Oprah

[mundodabolsa]

I have no problem with people who were seemingly buddy buddy with Harvey "taking the moral high ground now." What's better, that no one at all speak? Better late than never.

If the only people who speak out are those who weren't complicit and didn't benefit from the system, this movement wouldn't be as sweeping and powerful as it. People who didn't benefit from playing along don't have the platform that the ones that did now do. No one gives a rat's *ss what some Z-list wannabe actress from 20 years ago has to say.

 

[kkfiregirl]

I have no problem with people who were seemingly buddy buddy with Harvey "taking the moral high ground now." What's better, that no one at all speak? Better late than never.

If the only people who speak out are those who weren't complicit and didn't benefit from the system, this movement wouldn't be as sweeping and powerful as it. People who didn't benefit from playing along don't have the platform that the ones that did now do. No one gives a rat's *ss what some Z-list wannabe actress from 20 years ago has to say.

Exactly. You said it best.

 

[berrydiva]

Agree, we all have some hypocrisy but IMHO sleeping with someone for the sole purpose of getting a promotion, movie deal etc . and then becomes outraged (sues etc.) after the slimeball is caught to me they are the same person and takes it to a new level.

The pictures of the celebrities practically throwing themselves at him.....uggg.

But you realize many if not nlmost of these women were placed in a position where they felt powerless and their consent was coerced, right? Coerced consent is not consent. If you went on interviews to get a job and every company you met with presented it as you had to sleep with someone for said job eventually you'd feel like you have no choice....you have bills to pay and food to buy. It not always so black and white.

 

[imgg]

But you realize many if not nlmost of these women were placed in a position where they felt powerless and their consent was coerced, right? Coerced consent is not consent. If you went on interviews to get a job and every company you met with presented it as you had to sleep with someone for said job eventually you'd feel like you have no choice....you have bills to pay and food to buy. It not always so black and white.

We don't know if that's true with all of them. I am sure many were more than willing to do whatever to get a head. Again, you are taking only part of what I said and twisting into something I am not in disagreement with.

I definitely disagree sleeping with one movie producer was their only means to buy food and pay bills. There are plenty of ways to make a living that doesn't require having sex. Many actresses said no and they seem to be doing okay.

 

[imgg]

I have no problem with people who were seemingly buddy buddy with Harvey "taking the moral high ground now." What's better, that no one at all speak? Better late than never.

If the only people who speak out are those who weren't complicit and didn't benefit from the system, this movement wouldn't be as sweeping and powerful as it. People who didn't benefit from playing along don't have the platform that the ones that did now do. No one gives a rat's *ss what some Z-list wannabe actress from 20 years ago has to say.

I am referring to the ones who WILLINGNLY slept with him to get a movie part. Pretty much a prostitute. Again, not referring to the ones who were coerced or more. To take the moral ground now after they benefited and its the popular thing to do, no sorry, it is too late. I give credit to the actresses who said no, hurt their career, but saved their dignity.

There were mostly Z actresses who came out saying they were raped etc. so from what you stated it only counts if they are an A lister? Guess I am confused, so only some women count and others don't depending on their Hollywood status? I thought everyone was so upset because of all the actresses coming out for what they said happened 20 years ago.

 

[berrydiva]

I am referring to the ones who WILLINGNLY slept with him to get a movie part. Pretty much a prostitute. Again, not referring to the ones who were coerced or more. To take the moral ground now after they benefited and its the popular thing to do, no sorry, it is too late. I give credit to the actresses who said no, hurt their career, but saved their dignity.

There were mostly Z actresses who came out saying they were raped etc. so from what you stated it only counts if they are an A lister? Guess I am confused, so only some women count and others don't depending on their Hollywood status? I thought everyone was so upset because of all the actresses coming out for what they said happened 20 years ago.

Some of the women who willingly slept with him did so by way of coercion. You do also understand that women can still be raped even though they willingly go along with said raping due to fear or negative repercussions, right? It's still considered rape.

 

[berrydiva]

We don't know if that's true with all of them. I am sure many were more than willing to do whatever to get a head. Again, you are taking only part of what I said and twisting into something I am not in disagreement with.

I definitely disagree sleeping with one movie producer was their only means to buy food and pay bills. There are plenty of ways to make a living that doesn't require having sex. Many actresses said no and they seem to be doing okay.

I don't disagree and no I'm not trying to twist your words; I'm honing in on something you said that I feel needs flushing out as there are many women who are placed in this same position daily. My only point is that unless you have the perspective of the woman who was in that position, you really have no idea what made her come to going along with his advances. And yes some of those women went along with it because they'd do anything to get a role but there were also the women who went along with it because they felt they had no choice.

 

[imgg]

Some of the women who willingly slept with him did so by way of coercion. You do also understand that women can still be raped even though they willingly go along with said raping due to fear or negative repercussions, right? It's still considered rape.

Again, it was not was I referring to.

 

[sdkitty]

There is a difference of rape and someone saying yes to further their career. It's not even in the same category.

I agree. Such a tiny percentage of actors become successful and earn a good living - and that living can be so huge - that I can see how many would be willing to "prostitute" themselves to become a star. And while it would be unpleasant to say the least to have a sexual encounter with Weinstein, it's not rape if she consents to further her career.

 

[Sasha2012]

Following her acclaimed speech at the Golden Globes a week ago, Oprah Winfrey has sat down with some of the prominent Hollywood women behind the Time's Up initiative as they discussed breaking the silence.

Oprah interviewed leading actresses Reese Withersoon, Natalie Portman, Tracee Ellis Ross and America Ferrera the day after the Globes for a segment that aired on CBS Sunday Morning today.

Producer Shonda Rhimes, entertainment attorney Nina Shaw and Lucas Films President Kathleen Kennedy also weighed in on the movement and the importance of supporting women who don't have a public platform.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Hollywood-women-Times-Up.html#ixzz54DmVDJ1q

 

[Charles]

But, they shouldn't be taking the morale high ground now either. Not all the women agreed to it and it hurt their careers. It's the hypocrisy of the ones who did and I am sure there were plenty.

I guess I'm confused why this matters. First off, has Oprah been pro sexual assault at some point? If so, then yes, her now being anti sexual assault would be hypocrisy. The fact that she's now taking a vocal stance on this isn't hypocrisy. Let me ask you, have you ever heard rumors in your own life about certain friends or acquaintances and thought "Hmm...that's not cool, but it's not really my business"? I'm assuming you always confront people when you see injustice? I highly doubt you do, cause that's not typically what humans do. They realize that if they do, it's going to often make their lives more difficult and choose their own well being, and depending, I can't really blame them. It's hard to understand how one person could have so much effect on others and how one person can literally ruin their lives. How many people would truly want to sign up for that?
Still...who effing cares? The point is that now people are talking about it and hopefully that will help things change. That's what matters to me.

 

[Charles]

Agree, we all have some hypocrisy but IMHO sleeping with someone for the sole purpose of getting a promotion, movie deal etc . and then becomes outraged (sues etc.) after the slimeball is caught to me they are the same person and takes it to a new level.

The pictures of the celebrities practically throwing themselves at him.....uggg.

Do you have examples of women who admit they didn't feel forced and did so willingly (ie "yes, I found him attractive and wanted to have sex, role or not"), then came out against him?
I'm not sure your career, but imagine you were just starting out and this is what you've wanted since you were a little girl. You really love the idea of working in that field for the rest of your life. Now imagine that you came across a man, who you didn't seek out, who sought you out, who you knew was huge in that industry and had lots of connections. Now imagine that he ask you for sex. You don't want to, but he says that if you don't, you'll never get a shot in the career you've wanted to be a part of for your whole life.
Can you see how some women would feel they don't have a choice? I see nothing wrong with them feeling backed in a corner and thinking "If I just do this, my whole life will be what I want it to be"...then coming out later and saying that what happened to them was wrong and it should stop.

 

[berrydiva]

Good for Seal for calling out the hypocrisy.

This is why you can't take these folks seriously....
.....meanwhile.
Seal faces sexual battery investigation after accusing Oprah of #MeToo hypocrisy

Seal, a self-described supporter of the #MeToo movement, is reportedly under investigation for sexual battery after a former neighbor accused him of forcefully kissing and groping her in 2016.

The allegations against the singer were made in a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s report Saturday, TMZ reported.

Cecil B. DeMille Award — OPRAH WINFREY. (Paul Drinkwater/NBCUniversal via Getty Images)
They come several days after the singer, 54, launched what to many came across as an unfair attack on Oprah Winfrey and her status as one of leading advocates for the anti-sexual harassment initiative Time’s Up.

Oprah made headlines, and stoked plenty of talk about presidential ambitions, with her powerful speech at the Golden Globe Awards on Jan. 7. In the speech, she called for an end to gender inequality and to attitudes, laws and practices that have long allowed men to get away with sexually harassing or abusing women.

In a controversial move, Seal posted a photo on his Instagram account, showing Winfrey with Harvey Weinstein, the now-disgraced Hollywood mogul accused of decades of sexual harassment and sexual assault. The caption, with the hashtag #SanctimoniousHollywood, read, “When you have been part of the problem for decades, but suddenly they all think you are the solution.”


https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01...tion-after-accusing-oprah-of-metoo-hypocrisy/

 

[queennadine]

This is why you can't take these folks seriously....
.....meanwhile.
Seal faces sexual battery investigation after accusing Oprah of #MeToo hypocrisy

Seal, a self-described supporter of the #MeToo movement, is reportedly under investigation for sexual battery after a former neighbor accused him of forcefully kissing and groping her in 2016.

The allegations against the singer were made in a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s report Saturday, TMZ reported.

Cecil B. DeMille Award — OPRAH WINFREY. (Paul Drinkwater/NBCUniversal via Getty Images)
They come several days after the singer, 54, launched what to many came across as an unfair attack on Oprah Winfrey and her status as one of leading advocates for the anti-sexual harassment initiative Time’s Up.

Oprah made headlines, and stoked plenty of talk about presidential ambitions, with her powerful speech at the Golden Globe Awards on Jan. 7. In the speech, she called for an end to gender inequality and to attitudes, laws and practices that have long allowed men to get away with sexually harassing or abusing women.

In a controversial move, Seal posted a photo on his Instagram account, showing Winfrey with Harvey Weinstein, the now-disgraced Hollywood mogul accused of decades of sexual harassment and sexual assault. The caption, with the hashtag #SanctimoniousHollywood, read, “When you have been part of the problem for decades, but suddenly they all think you are the solution.”


https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01...tion-after-accusing-oprah-of-metoo-hypocrisy/

IF the allegations are true, then he's a disgusting hypocrite too. Can't help but be a little skeptical about the timing however...

 

[Charles]

IF the allegations are true, then he's a disgusting hypocrite too. Can't help but be a little skeptical about the timing however...

I think it's great timing. I'd bet nothing would have been said about Seal or Franco if they didn't publically position themselves the way they did.