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That seems arbitrary. They do custom painting (perhaps on a different area, but still) so I don't see why the artist couldn't just paint over an existing image with something new, unless it's not a technical limitation but a random "rule."
Thank you so much!


I wonder why a modification can’t be done, too. Perhaps it’s just a rule. I say @girlhasbags should contact Paris. It couldn’t hurt.
 
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A manager asked a Moynat painter and the painter said , “No.” The size of the monogram is standard, so a modification/cover-up can’t be made.

That seems arbitrary. They do custom painting (perhaps on a different area, but still) so I don't see why the artist couldn't just paint over an existing image with something new, unless it's not a technical limitation but a random "rule."

I wonder why a modification can’t be done, too. Perhaps it’s just a rule. I say @girlhasbags should contact Paris. It couldn’t hurt.

I kind of see where you are coming from and I agree that it does not hurt to ask but at the end of the day, I think it may be a technical issue.
I was invited to paint on leather luggage tags last year at a Moynat event. And it was actually quite difficult. We used an acrylic-based paint. There had to be at least 3-4 layers of paint and they needed to be painted in a way that the paint had to saturate in between all the natural texture of the leather. I'm sure canvas has a different texture and is probably easier to paint, but it still requires layers of paint. At the end, it gets a very durable clear "top coat". I've spoken to my local Moynat painter a few times about the process. He said once you put on the top coat, it basically will stay there forever. It should be waterproof, crease resistant, and scratch-resistant.
To paint on top of it, I have a feeling, would mean to paint on top of that top coat which may meant that the paint may not adhere as well as it does to the canvas. If the top coat needs to be removed, then it needs to have non-water-based solvent to remove that top coat, and then a water-based solvent to remove the original paint.
But using a non-water-based solvent may damaged the coated canvas itself, since there is a coating on the canvas as well.

I'm not sure if this has been attempted before and they realized the difficulty of the work or that it does not work at all. Or, based on the paints and top coats they use, they are aware of the limitations of what can and cannot be done.

When I watch the LV trunk painters on IG, when they make a mistake or they're not happy with their work, they basically erase the mistake (or erase everything), and start all over. But that is prior to putting on that top coat that sets and protects the paint.

Just some thoughts though. I'm not a professional painter by any means. :P
 
I kind of see where you are coming from and I agree that it does not hurt to ask but at the end of the day, I think it may be a technical issue.
I was invited to paint on leather luggage tags last year at a Moynat event. And it was actually quite difficult. We used an acrylic-based paint. There had to be at least 3-4 layers of paint and they needed to be painted in a way that the paint had to saturate in between all the natural texture of the leather. I'm sure canvas has a different texture and is probably easier to paint, but it still requires layers of paint. At the end, it gets a very durable clear "top coat". I've spoken to my local Moynat painter a few times about the process. He said once you put on the top coat, it basically will stay there forever. It should be waterproof, crease resistant, and scratch-resistant.
To paint on top of it, I have a feeling, would mean to paint on top of that top coat which may meant that the paint may not adhere as well as it does to the canvas. If the top coat needs to be removed, then it needs to have non-water-based solvent to remove that top coat, and then a water-based solvent to remove the original paint.
But using a non-water-based solvent may damaged the coated canvas itself, since there is a coating on the canvas as well.

I'm not sure if this has been attempted before and they realized the difficulty of the work or that it does not work at all. Or, based on the paints and top coats they use, they are aware of the limitations of what can and cannot be done.

When I watch the LV trunk painters on IG, when they make a mistake or they're not happy with their work, they basically erase the mistake (or erase everything), and start all over. But that is prior to putting on that top coat that sets and protects the paint.

Just some thoughts though. I'm not a professional painter by any means. :P
Thank you. This makes perfect sense. I appreciate learning more about the process.:smile:
 
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I kind of see where you are coming from and I agree that it does not hurt to ask but at the end of the day, I think it may be a technical issue.
I was invited to paint on leather luggage tags last year at a Moynat event. And it was actually quite difficult. We used an acrylic-based paint. There had to be at least 3-4 layers of paint and they needed to be painted in a way that the paint had to saturate in between all the natural texture of the leather. I'm sure canvas has a different texture and is probably easier to paint, but it still requires layers of paint. At the end, it gets a very durable clear "top coat". I've spoken to my local Moynat painter a few times about the process. He said once you put on the top coat, it basically will stay there forever. It should be waterproof, crease resistant, and scratch-resistant.
To paint on top of it, I have a feeling, would mean to paint on top of that top coat which may meant that the paint may not adhere as well as it does to the canvas. If the top coat needs to be removed, then it needs to have non-water-based solvent to remove that top coat, and then a water-based solvent to remove the original paint.
But using a non-water-based solvent may damaged the coated canvas itself, since there is a coating on the canvas as well.

I'm not sure if this has been attempted before and they realized the difficulty of the work or that it does not work at all. Or, based on the paints and top coats they use, they are aware of the limitations of what can and cannot be done.

When I watch the LV trunk painters on IG, when they make a mistake or they're not happy with their work, they basically erase the mistake (or erase everything), and start all over. But that is prior to putting on that top coat that sets and protects the paint.

Just some thoughts though. I'm not a professional painter by any means. :P
Thanks that does make sense. It was also suggested a deglazer could work.
 
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That seems arbitrary. They do custom painting (perhaps on a different area, but still) so I don't see why the artist couldn't just paint over an existing image with something new, unless it's not a technical limitation but a random "rule."
I would think that painting over the original letters is possible but I can see why Moynat wouldn’t want to do it or promote it since they are in the business of selling new bags and not of helping preowned buyers cover up the previous owners initials. I think that painting over the initials would create a somewhat uneven texture and you might be able to see the original texture under the new paint but it should be doable. If it were me wanting to cover initials on a preowned piece, I would do some research to find someone outside of Moynat that paints on canvas or leather (I’ve seen them post on IG) and reach out to them to see what’s possible.
 
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I would think that painting over the original letters is possible but I can see why Moynat wouldn’t want to do it or promote it since they are in the business of selling new bags and not of helping preowned buyers cover up the previous owners initials. I think that painting over the initials would create a somewhat uneven texture and you might be able to see the original texture under the new paint but it should be doable. If it were me wanting to cover initials on a preowned piece, I would do some research to find someone outside of Moynat that paints on canvas or leather (I’ve seen them post on IG) and reach out to them to see what’s possible.
I can see that and to be honest when I called the store that is what I was thinking or maybe even they would be concerned about it being stolen. I would normally just live with the initials as I have done it before but these are a little extreme "RIP" hahahaha. I know you asked why I bought it... well I really like the bag (I hate the neverfull) it was an amazing price and it was in brand new condition. I don't use instagram but will check out. On the other hand I also welcome suggestions on what those initials could represent and I may just leave them alone...lol

I want to thank everyone that has jump in for me.
 
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