But it isn't for people that felt like they were getting a higher end bag, or if they weren't supposedly ever going on sale, so people pay full price, only to find that they are going to start dumping a bunch of them over to the outlets...
Is 1941 gone?
- Thread starter Pagan
- Start date
TPF may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, and others
Each and ever bag at Coach will go on sale. We all know this. Full price bags that are sent to the outlet is always a good thing for ME! Getting a bag cheaper is a great thing and one can if you are buying Coach. I have never paid FP for a Coach item and I never will!
I am ready for the next round of deletes
You take a risk each time you buy a Coach at FP because it will one day Go to the outlet. No bag is safe from not going to the outlet. There is a new delete list monthly. Some go and most are held for SAS THEN they all ago.
For ME, I can wait because no bag is that important for ME tl pay FP when I know I can get 50-60% cheaper in a few months.
Example. FF this past week for 40% off. Way better than FP but I think I will wait on the two I want to get that extra savings and get them both for the price if 1 in a few months. Heck but that's just ME.
When they first released 1941, we were told that they weren't going to go to outlets. So I don't think it's very fair to judge the members who feel like Coach pulled a fast one on them.
Who judging me? Nah. Judging another is negative energy and I dont allow that in my life. So no judging here. I'm just stating facts. Coach been like this for years. It's nothing new. They been saying it for years bags will not go to outlet.
Last edited:
I don’t think there is any judging going on. CforC09 is just stating facts-everything eventually ends up at the outlets or on sale/clearance at the department stores.
So true. They even know in advance when the next SAS, FF and PCE is coming but will be quick to tell you they don't.
Believe me, that's what they have been doing for years. When the borough bag came out, those weren't included on any of the PCE's either, and the SAs swore for all that's holy they'll never be on sale. Well, months later you could get discount on them, and very soon after they all went to the outlet. With Coach, it's just the same kind of thing replayed with each new release, but I guess people were hoping that's what would change with 1941.
For my part, I try to look at the craftsmanship of the items; things may feel expensive when you look at the outlet prices, but they're still a good value when compared to the premier range. That is, when the quality was comparable; I could spend $750 for a borough bag back in 2014, which would be high for a Coach release-but it's still way better than paying over $2K for a Givenchy nightingale, say.
Nowadays, however, I don't think 1941 is made the same they were used to. With the random VIP list they use for the PCE & the F&F, there's nothing to really motivate my giving Coach more of my business.
I jumped into this forum because I was curious about 1941 as well. What I can say is that 20-25 years ago, Coach was a solid but staid retailer. You could buy a beautiful, full-grain leather bag that makes even the 1941 bags feel cheap, for under $300 and you could carry it for years. Around 1999-2000, these companies like Coach and Dooney (another solid old-school retailer) started churning out more cheaply made bags with logos, etc. They grew like crazy and in business, once you hit a profit number, going backward is considered failure. So eventually they hit a wall, trends moved on, and they scrambled. I feel like they were trying to gain back some of that old-line prestige with 1941 but that it wasn't enough for the number crunchers.
Hmm, it seems like it is hard to make money "in the middle" - meaning you can make money by being a mass market brand or a luxe brand. It seems anyone in the middle market struggles a bit. I guess the luxe people don't want to buy down and the in the middle people want the cheap prices.
Just chiming in with cforc, gr8, and lovingmybags.
Coach's last ten years (and more) can be summed up as follows. And this is not just about 1941 as so many old-timers here can tell you. 1941, or "the new and improved Coach" is just following the same standard formula:
1) Coach makes a change like a big new overhaul (1941), big new style (Borough), or big new line (the big Legacy revival of ... was it 2004? 2005? don't recall, but I still love my Molly's and clutches).
2) Word goes around that new style, line, or even overhaul, will not go to outlets. Or that PCEs will back off/disappear. Or that PCE/sale will not apply to new style/line. And people rejoice.
3) For a while, the PCEs did slow down, .... but then, gradually, they came back again, with some of them replaced as multi-months-long SAS sales twice a year.
4) For a while, no, you couldn't get the new line/style/overhaul bags on PCE/sale ....... but then, gradually, you could.
5) There is a brief lull in styles going to outlets. People think "the change has finally happened". ....... But then, sometimes in one almighty sweep, the bags fly wholesale to the outlets. (One change here did seem to occur, a few years ago, where a lot more bags started going to the *online* outlet instead of so many brick and mortar outlets. Once SAS was introduced twice a year, the bags started waiting to pass through SAS first, and *then* make their way to online outlet or a fewer number of brick and mortar. But they still get to one or another form of the outlet. And many filter to ebay those routes.)
6) People get annoyed. Sales drop. Coach comes up with it's new line/style/overhaul, and the cycle literally repeats.
The point is, there is always much rejoicing ... "Coach has finally changed their ways! Coach has finally changed their ways!" ...... but then, gradually, the gnashing of teeth comes. (I'm trying to be comical here, I promise.
)
It's routine. It's a story as old as the hills.
When 1941 was introduced and a lot of new people suddenly turned on to Coach, I did think to myself, "Ok, Coach, here's your make or break. Actually make the changes you've been threatening/promising (depending on how you look at it) for years, of you're going to get a lot of *new* people ticked off. People who have no idea of the traditional cycle." And sure enough, here it is.
If you have a bag that you love, then you love it for the bag, right? If there's a certain color or style that you want, then try to get it on PCE or SAS ... or if you absolutely want exactly that color, and you're worry it'll sell out, get it before it reaches the PCE level of the cycle. But the thing is to get the ones you love.
And the more desperate you are for a particular color/style, then the sooner you get it in "the cycle".
But that cycle is not going away. Years and years and years ... it's not going away. They've proven it, because from their perspective, it's the bottom line of the sales, in the end, that matters. And that will always, *always* win out over whatever they "claimed" will change in the above cycle.
Sorry for the ramble. I honestly hoped that the situation wouldn't reach this stage, especially because there were a lot of new people to Coach (many of whom wouldn't even be posting on this board). But as the petunia's in Hitchhiker's said, "Oh no, not again."
(Disclaimer: I'm not complaining. Some of my items are from outlet deletes, some are from PCE or SAS (30%-40% ain't bad, if you don't like having items shipped to your house, a drive to a nearby boutique is shorter/more pleasant than outlet trips, and you like the ladies at your boutique ... I have a lot of stuff through PCE/SAS, and love all of it).
Just ... weigh how important a color/style is to you, weigh your risk-taking level, consider things like outlet-drive-time-enjoyment, boutique-drive-time-enjoyment, percentages where and when, buy accordingly, and love the leather you're getting. )
Coach's last ten years (and more) can be summed up as follows. And this is not just about 1941 as so many old-timers here can tell you. 1941, or "the new and improved Coach" is just following the same standard formula:
1) Coach makes a change like a big new overhaul (1941), big new style (Borough), or big new line (the big Legacy revival of ... was it 2004? 2005? don't recall, but I still love my Molly's and clutches).
2) Word goes around that new style, line, or even overhaul, will not go to outlets. Or that PCEs will back off/disappear. Or that PCE/sale will not apply to new style/line. And people rejoice.
3) For a while, the PCEs did slow down, .... but then, gradually, they came back again, with some of them replaced as multi-months-long SAS sales twice a year.
4) For a while, no, you couldn't get the new line/style/overhaul bags on PCE/sale ....... but then, gradually, you could.
5) There is a brief lull in styles going to outlets. People think "the change has finally happened". ....... But then, sometimes in one almighty sweep, the bags fly wholesale to the outlets. (One change here did seem to occur, a few years ago, where a lot more bags started going to the *online* outlet instead of so many brick and mortar outlets. Once SAS was introduced twice a year, the bags started waiting to pass through SAS first, and *then* make their way to online outlet or a fewer number of brick and mortar. But they still get to one or another form of the outlet. And many filter to ebay those routes.)
6) People get annoyed. Sales drop. Coach comes up with it's new line/style/overhaul, and the cycle literally repeats.
The point is, there is always much rejoicing ... "Coach has finally changed their ways! Coach has finally changed their ways!" ...... but then, gradually, the gnashing of teeth comes. (I'm trying to be comical here, I promise.
)It's routine. It's a story as old as the hills.
When 1941 was introduced and a lot of new people suddenly turned on to Coach, I did think to myself, "Ok, Coach, here's your make or break. Actually make the changes you've been threatening/promising (depending on how you look at it) for years, of you're going to get a lot of *new* people ticked off. People who have no idea of the traditional cycle." And sure enough, here it is.
If you have a bag that you love, then you love it for the bag, right? If there's a certain color or style that you want, then try to get it on PCE or SAS ... or if you absolutely want exactly that color, and you're worry it'll sell out, get it before it reaches the PCE level of the cycle. But the thing is to get the ones you love.
And the more desperate you are for a particular color/style, then the sooner you get it in "the cycle".
But that cycle is not going away. Years and years and years ... it's not going away. They've proven it, because from their perspective, it's the bottom line of the sales, in the end, that matters. And that will always, *always* win out over whatever they "claimed" will change in the above cycle.
Sorry for the ramble. I honestly hoped that the situation wouldn't reach this stage, especially because there were a lot of new people to Coach (many of whom wouldn't even be posting on this board). But as the petunia's in Hitchhiker's said, "Oh no, not again."
(Disclaimer: I'm not complaining. Some of my items are from outlet deletes, some are from PCE or SAS (30%-40% ain't bad, if you don't like having items shipped to your house, a drive to a nearby boutique is shorter/more pleasant than outlet trips, and you like the ladies at your boutique ... I have a lot of stuff through PCE/SAS, and love all of it).
Just ... weigh how important a color/style is to you, weigh your risk-taking level, consider things like outlet-drive-time-enjoyment, boutique-drive-time-enjoyment, percentages where and when, buy accordingly, and love the leather you're getting.
)
Last edited:
The cycle is not going away.Just chiming in with cforc, gr8, and lovingmybags.
Coach's last ten years (and more) can be summed up as follows. And this is not just about 1941 as so many old-timers here can tell you. 1941, or "the new and improved Coach" is just following the same standard formula:
1) Coach makes a change like a big new overhaul (1941), big new style (Borough), or big new line (the big Legacy revival of ... was it 2004? 2005? don't recall, but I still love my Molly's and clutches).
2) Word goes around that new style, line, or even overhaul, will not go to outlets. Or that PCEs will back off/disappear. Or that PCE/sale will not apply to new style/line. And people rejoice.
3) For a while, the PCEs did slow down, .... but then, gradually, they came back again, with some of them replaced as multi-months-long SAS sales twice a year.
4) For a while, no, you couldn't get the new line/style/overhaul bags on PCE/sale ....... but then, gradually, you could.
5) There is a brief lull in styles going to outlets. People think "the change has finally happened". ....... But then, sometimes in one almighty sweep, the bags fly wholesale to the outlets. (One change here did seem to occur, a few years ago, where a lot more bags started going to the *online* outlet instead of so many brick and mortar outlets. Once SAS was introduced twice a year, the bags started waiting to pass through SAS first, and *then* make their way to online outlet or a fewer number of brick and mortar. But they still get to one or another form of the outlet. And many filter to ebay those routes.)
6) People get annoyed. Sales drop. Coach comes up with it's new line/style/overhaul, and the cycle literally repeats.
The point is, there is always much rejoicing ... "Coach has finally changed their ways! Coach has finally changed their ways!" ...... but then, gradually, the gnashing of teeth comes. (I'm trying to be comical here, I promise.
It's routine. It's a story as old as the hills.
When 1941 was introduced and a lot of new people suddenly turned on to Coach, I did think to myself, "Ok, Coach, here's your make or break. Actually make the changes you've been threatening/promising (depending on how you look at it) for years, of you're going to get a lot of *new* people ticked off. People who have no idea of the traditional cycle." And sure enough, here it is.
If you have a bag that you love, then you love it for the bag, right? If there's a certain color or style that you want, then try to get it on PCE or SAS ... or if you absolutely want exactly that color, and you're worry it'll sell out, get it before it reaches the PCE level of the cycle. But the thing is to get the ones you love.
And the more desperate you are for a particular color/style, then the sooner you get it in "the cycle".
But that cycle is not going away. Years and years and years ... it's not going away. They've proven it, because from their perspective, it's the bottom line of the sales, in the end, that matters. And that will always, *always* win out over whatever they "claimed" will change in the above cycle.
Sorry for the ramble. I honestly hoped that the situation wouldn't reach this stage, especially because there were a lot of new people to Coach (many of whom wouldn't even be posting on this board). But as the petunia's in Hitchhiker's said, "Oh no, not again."
(Disclaimer: I'm not complaining. Some of my items are from outlet deletes, some are from PCE or SAS (30%-40% ain't bad, if you don't like having items shipped to your house, a drive to a nearby boutique is shorter/more pleasant than outlet trips, and you like the ladies at your boutique ... I have a lot of stuff through PCE/SAS, and love all of it).
Just ... weigh how important a color/style is to you, weigh your risk-taking level, consider things like outlet-drive-time-enjoyment, boutique-drive-time-enjoyment, percentages where and when, buy accordingly, and love the leather you're getting.