I'm in need of advice..my authenticated K28 is deemed fake by Paris HQ

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eagle1002us said:
I looked at the picture of your bag and found it beautiful. The brique color is more of, say, a weathered brick than the orangey red of the brique B I turned down. I love yours. It also looks like it has zero wear. I didn't read the info on the mou leather.
So, I'm a bit out of the loop in terms of reading all the posts on this thread. Ceeyahd, I must have overlooked the reasons you wanted the bag authenticated. Did the bag actually go to Paris and has H "appropriated" it so to speak? The reason I am curious about your quest is that the bag is so da*m beautiful and the color so exquisite (according to the photo) that I wonder if I'd ever question the authenticity of this bag if I'd had a chance to purchase it. Which is not to say you shouldn't have, by no means, we're different people. I also have not paid for the bag as you have.
IMHO, that bag is so striking -- here goes -- that in my opinion it's not a fake. Of course that and $2.00 will get you a Starbucks coffee. However, I wonder what would make a counterfeiter duplicate a bag that has some unusual features. A potential customer for that kind of bag might know all about the features, look and feel of it. Wouldn't it be easier to knock-off a bag that is more mainstream?

I have fretted over pieces of H silver on the bay -- were they genuine or not especially as sellers don't always post the H signature and bracelet size. So I have appreciation for your concerns.

Could you live with the bag knowing that an H artisan doubted its authenticity?
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I'm not the OP with issue being discussed, it's not my bag. I only made a comment about chips being in the bag, which I have no knowledge of... just commented that perhaps not in an older bag, IF it was a practice. My further commentary was with regard to the records may or may not kept by Hermes.
 
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I sincerely hope everything will turn out well for OP.
This is scary news for me and others who prefer to buy preloved H bags for discontinued leathers or any other reasons. All my H bags bought are authenticated preloved bags and still in good condition so I never send any to H spa.

Now this news makes me so worry to send any to H spa in the future. The thoughts of H mistakenly destroying authenticated bags is just too scary!

LOVE & all the best to OP...
 
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peggioka said:
What I learned was that the letter and number stamp on the kelly identity its artisan so that when the kelly is sent back to Paris for repair or refurbishing, they will try to have the same artisan working on the same bag. So it makes sense to me that if the artisan does not identify the bag or have no record of it or same artisan is unavailable, then the bag maybe deemed fake by others with less knowledge. However, I honestly have my doubt who or if there is a mistake here. We know that superfakes were discovered with international chain of criminals in Asia and France, and at least 2 former Hermes artisans were arrested. And that is why I think even if you buy vintage, it’s important to ask for any proof of purchase, service receipt, etc., because even though those can be faked, they help to see if the entire situation adds up.
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The odds of one of the pro counterfeiters deciding to fake a Sellier Mou is pretty d*** low. That said, buyers can request any bag to be copied. The majority of fakes, even superfakes, out there, are bags the market demands (Togo, Epsom, Clemence, even Box, in straight retourne and sellier). Not to suggest anyone should assume a rare style is real but the odds here - even without the photos that show zero sign of inauthenticity - these make it very likely H is in the wrong. Add in bababebi and seems to me it's an infinitesimal chance this is a counterfeit and an overwhelming chance some amateur at H could not understand a sellier missing its lining.
 
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QuelleFromage said:
The odds of one of the pro counterfeiters deciding to fake a Sellier Mou is pretty d*** low. That said, buyers can request any bag to be copied. The majority of fakes, even superfakes, out there, are bags the market demands (Togo, Epsom, Clemence, even Box, in straight retourne and sellier). Not to suggest anyone should assume a rare style is real but the odds here - even without the photos that show zero sign of inauthenticity - these make it very likely H is in the wrong. Add in bababebi and seems to me it's an infinitesimal chance this is a counterfeit and an overwhelming chance some amateur at H could not understand a sellier missing its lining.
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That's pretty much what I was saying.
 
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Wow... I read all 7 pages and absolutely am devastated for the OP. I sinserely hope Paris got this one wrong and the OP gets reunited with her beautiful bag.

Having said that, this thread has really been somewhat a wake up call for me personally. This just illustrates to me that unless purchased from a Hermes store directly, one can never be 100% sure of the bags origin and authenticity. Personally, I have never purchased from a reseller before, but living in Hong Kong, I have seen some incredible, almost “better than the real thing” copies of Chanel goods locally made (however, I am not at all suggesting the OPs bag is not authentic). I would really love to have some general infortmation on how Hermes goes about authenticating their goods? Would they keep a photo database of all the bags ever made by H linked to specific stamp identifiers on the bag? Would they contact the actual Artisan (if possible) to authenticate their own work? Do they disclose with the owner the parameters according to which they deemed the bag as not authentic? Surely they ought to provide some more the owner before destroying a $$$$$ price tag item owned by a genuine Hermes customer?
 
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QuelleFromage said:
The odds of one of the pro counterfeiters deciding to fake a Sellier Mou is pretty d*** low. That said, buyers can request any bag to be copied. The majority of fakes, even superfakes, out there, are bags the market demands (Togo, Epsom, Clemence, even Box, in straight retourne and sellier). Not to suggest anyone should assume a rare style is real but the odds here - even without the photos that show zero sign of inauthenticity - these make it very likely H is in the wrong. Add in bababebi and seems to me it's an infinitesimal chance this is a counterfeit and an overwhelming chance some amateur at H could not understand a sellier missing its lining.
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I've always had the same idea as the gist of this, thinking that an easily sold mainstream bag would be the best thing for counterfeiters to make.

With the same kind of thinking, it does not seem likely to me that a single person at Hermes could deem a bag to be fake. Surely that suspicion would have to be referred for further assessment.

On a related topic. This French legal empowerment to destroy fakes reared its ugly head in a BBC television programme 'Fake or Fortune'. In an attempt to authenticate a painting, possible by Chagall and bought Some years ago for £100,000, it was deemed to be a fake and, in accordance with French law, was to be retained to be destroyed.
The rationale is to prevent any fakes being in circulation.
 
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Is there a chance that the authenticator was in error? Or, if they are very well known for being 100% accurate, can’t you send a copy of their certificate to Hermès Spa as support for your case? Seems like you need someone to intervene on your behalf, otherwise it sounds like Hermès has the final say.
 
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I have to say I find this thread fascinating... I really hope the OP gets to prove Hermes wrong and keep her gorgeous bag. I don’t really get the indignation on Hermes policy as regards destroying fakes. It is not even a unilaterally imposed measure, as suggested here. You agree with it when you take your bag to spa. And I for one find it reasonable and reassuring, a bag deemed fake by Hermes and that won’t be serviced by Hermes is to all effects not an Hermes bag, and hence illegal an to be destroyed in France which is where you agree your bag is sent to when you get it serviced...

As for a Mou not being likely to be faked, you can still get replica Mous in Internet right now. it was an elusive but very sought after style... I am NOT saying the OP’s bag is fake, and again, I hope she can redress her case and want to be reassured that Hermes can be reached out to in these situations. But I would still be surprised if the reason for rejection is that it is a Mou. Hopefully this is not clueless SAs we are dealing with...
 
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