I'm in need of advice..my authenticated K28 is deemed fake by Paris HQ

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After reading the recent speculations I feel like I need to say a few words.

To date, using the same set of photos, multiple authenticators have provided opinions and each has come to the same conclusion about the bag's authenticity. It is unfair and to me highly inappropriate to depict the picture that the authenticator I worked with prior to purchasing is in "blatant" denial of any potential error. Her opinion is verified by equally reputable peers in the field.

The seller is also beyond cooperative and supportive, and stands by her "life long money back authenticity guarantee". We are just awaiting to receive the Letter of Expertise and Affidavit before processing the refund, which I think is a very fair call by the seller. Meanwhile the seller was able to get in touch with the previous owner who happens to have kept one email exchanged with FSH about the exact bag. Now with a reference number, it opens up the possibility of querying for more info by someone within Paris HQ. The previous owner seems to be in a much more favourable position to directly get in touch with Paris HQ. Hopefully she can make a difference there.

Hermes being the creator, without being close to any VIP status, I feel my voice is falling on deaf ears.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. Hopefully with the previous owner’s involvement, things can get settled once and for all and your bag is returned. Now that there’s a reference number to go on, there has to be a light at the end of this tunnel. I have nothing but positive thoughts for you supaultra_j [emoji173]️
 
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As promised I'm to share the latest status as my case progresses. The aftersales team from my boutique forwarded me the result from the latest assessment. Long story short - worse did come to worst.
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"As requested, we have escalated your concerns to our After-Sales Department in Paris. Our After-Sales Directors have confirmed that the handbag in question has indeed not been manufactured by Hermès Paris. The Letter of Expertise and Affidavit will be issued to you shortly."

Not sure what else I could do to further my case at this stage. My store has done all they can to appeal to HQ. I have also submitted all I had on my end. I would imagine the letter will explain in more details who has examined the bag and what procedure has been carried out.

Feel like I should just cave in, pack my learnings and move on. Always buy directly from the boutique; Keep the receipt for life; Let go of any specific style that you missed.) After all without the original purchase document what else could I do?

Oh... I’m so sorry for you. [emoji17]
 
I don't mind discussing the aspect brought up by @LVLover and @Gigllee. There could have be people out there using tPF as a way to scam. I despise it. And it is 100% not applicable to my case.

To bring some peace of mind - my Hermes boutique has all my personal details. I use my real name, personal email that includes my name, paypal account which also contains the same set of info to facilitate all my transactions with authenticator; apart from this purchase, I also work with the same re-seller re-homing my Hermes bags so she has all my contact information too.

I do not and will never scam others.
OP, Thank you for a master class on how to handle yourself with grace and dignity through a prolonged difficult situation. I wish you the best.
 
Well, this story put me off from buying from Hermes resellers but one thing might be worth mentioning - some of us (myself included) are not blessed with wealth and for those saving for both eg. retirement and the dream bag it might be hard to pull $20k for accessories that have be no use in their current lifestyle (jewellery, wallets, RTW -I'm too large ;)). I'm talking about big city like London where my face won't be remembered by the SA unless I'd drop serious money. I love the point about saving for such bag but if only the rules were clearer (eg. how much is enough to show the appreciation for the brand) and we wouldn't see the resellers with tonnes of brand new H bags (so the SA training doesn't work if then can get away?)

Of course one might say - this is not brand for you. I just like certain things made by Hermes: leather bracelets, a few bags (obviously the B/K range for the reason how hardware plays with the shape and colour), maybe Jige, Evelyne. I would imagine that then I'm not the right customer for the brand but just wanted to make my point here.

OP - really sorry about the situation.

Nonsense I don't think so at all, just having a rapport with a SA will be enough for them to remember you; you money in whatever abundance large or small will be appreciated. Example, I visited the Brussels store Easter last year and had a lovely experience with an SA didn't spend that much by any means, when I returned some 14 months later she remembered me and before I even noticed she was approaching me with a big toothy grin!

Anyway on topic, I've been following this thread with a considerable amount of anxiety at the OP's situation, I hope that now the email that the original owner has found can lead to a favourable outcome and closure. xx
 
So am wondering why people think e-mail from the original owner is the silver bullet that will prompt Hermes to overturn their verdict upon 3 inspections that the Darn bag is fake. Did I miss somehow somewhere that Hermes said proof of original ownership is in question and not the actual bag that was sent in ? Sorry that I am not the sharpest knife in the cupboard with my mundane questions
 
OP so sorry that you are going through all these inconvenience and also stand the risk of losing a bag that you evidently really want.

At the end of the day, Hermes’ opinion is what matters.

Third party authentications are useful when there is no other way to ascertain the genuineness of a thing; however, when the best way to authenticate is still available, ie like in this case via Hermes spa treatment, then that way is and should be the final word on the matter of authentication.

What good is having a bag deemed authentic by others when Hermes itself will not acknowledge it as authentic?

It does promising that the seller is willing to give OP a refund, and hopefully seller herself will be able to recoup payment from the original owner/consignor.
 
So am wondering why people think e-mail from the original owner is the silver bullet that will prompt Hermes to overturn their verdict upon 3 inspections that the Darn bag is fake. Did I miss somehow somewhere that Hermes said proof of original ownership is in question and not the actual bag that was sent in ? Sorry that I am not the sharpest knife in the cupboard with my mundane questions

How do you answer this? You don’t.
 
So am wondering why people think e-mail from the original owner is the silver bullet that will prompt Hermes to overturn their verdict upon 3 inspections that the Darn bag is fake. Did I miss somehow somewhere that Hermes said proof of original ownership is in question and not the actual bag that was sent in ? Sorry that I am not the sharpest knife in the cupboard with my mundane questions
You are still implying that OP switch the bags (a very rare combo) which has been address by several people including OP herself. So what's the purpose of your post?
 
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E1656E9F-324C-4E8D-92F0-4AA88C619A58.jpeg 7B04E3CD-BFF3-4C74-A1C7-C58D42BB94F1.jpeg 948309C2-054C-4FA2-BFFE-B02F90A72EF6.png Good morning Dear, I have decided to repost the question I deleted earlier as I can’t convince myself that these photos are the same bag after you reminded us that you did take your own photo and posted on https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-is-your-last-hermes-purchase.886190/page-1801#post-32322877.

Please kindly let us know why you didn’t mention about the leather defect, flaw, rubbing mark which clearly shown on the reseller’s photo? Again you mentioned in your post that the front and back flaps were in good condition, what about the leather rubbing mark? How come such blemish flaw didn’t show up on your own bag photo?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you sure you have authenticated and received the same exact bag that reseller posted and then sent it to Hermes for repair? Your feedback is greatly appreciated and wish you the best.



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Thanks everyone for staying here with me.

Some are interested in knowing why I sent her to spa...The bag is a 13 year-old beauty that came with flaws and signs of use, not on its front/back panel, but mainly around the glazings on the sangles. I carried her for a month but decided to send her to spa because for Kelly sacs sangles are important weight bearing structures. I didn't want to wait till it's too late or too worn out before treating it. We all know if you want to service your Hermes bags, Hermes spa is and should be the only place.

In terms of the role the seller plays here....I purchased my bag end of May. Firstly I think it is fair to say that the seller sold me an authentic Kelly bag at the price I was happy with.

Immediately after receiving the first email from Hermes Aftersales, I got in touch with the seller asking for the possibility of obtaining the original sales document. Unfortunately it was one of those that did not come with such document. The seller however was able to immediately pull out the photos taken for bababebi's service and offered to take the bag back if I am in doubt. The seller also offered to send the bag to her nearest boutique for me. But the question is no longer "Am I in doubt". It is "Hermes is now in doubt".
 
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So am wondering why people think e-mail from the original owner is the silver bullet that will prompt Hermes to overturn their verdict upon 3 inspections that the Darn bag is fake. Did I miss somehow somewhere that Hermes said proof of original ownership is in question and not the actual bag that was sent in ? Sorry that I am not the sharpest knife in the cupboard with my mundane questions

Well assuming that everyone is telling the truth then the bag has been in 3 hands, the original owner, reseller and then new owner so if the original owner has an email pertaining to the bag with a reference number (perhaps it's had a spa before) then that can be looked into to establish the provenance...
 
I must be getting old, my eyes see two different hardware... :sad:

I know lighting and angle can influence how metal looks when photographed but...

I am pretty blind without my contacts :doh:
 
So am wondering why people think e-mail from the original owner is the silver bullet that will prompt Hermes to overturn their verdict upon 3 inspections that the Darn bag is fake. Did I miss somehow somewhere that Hermes said proof of original ownership is in question and not the actual bag that was sent in ? Sorry that I am not the sharpest knife in the cupboard with my mundane questions

Posting with professed "ignorance" does not disguise the negative intent of this and other posts you've made. I suggest you sit back and wait to see how it turns out. There has been enough negativity in this thread.
 
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View attachment 4223738 View attachment 4223742 View attachment 4223743 Good morning Dear, I have decided to repost the question I deleted earlier as I can’t convince myself that these photos are the same bag after you reminded us that you did take your own photo and posted on https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-is-your-last-hermes-purchase.886190/page-1801#post-32322877.

Please kindly let us know why you didn’t mention about the leather defect, flaw, rubbing mark which clearly shown on the reseller’s photo? Again you mentioned in your post that the front and back flaps were in good condition, what about the leather rubbing mark? How come such blemish flaw didn’t show up on your own bag photo?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you sure you have authenticated and received the same exact bag that reseller posted and then sent it to Hermes for repair? Your feedback is greatly appreciated and wish you the best.



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The photos were taken under different lighting and under low light, not all flaws will show. If you look at the right side of the bag in the brighter photos, there are 2 rather large creases running down almost the entire height of the bag. They are also visible in the low lighting photo. They are the same bag.

In any case, the original owner can contact Paris and Paris can send photos of the bag they are in possession to her and surely she will recognise whether the bag was hers or not.
 
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Also, how can such an old Kelly have practically perfect hardware with hardly any scratches? There’s just the tiniest bit of them. I’ve had mine for far less time and the hardware doesn’t look so shiny and new. I’m genuinely being curious, can you polish off scratches without sending it to Hermes?
 
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