I'm in need of advice..my authenticated K28 is deemed fake by Paris HQ

[seasounds]

Deleting my post. I see srubkaa99's point.

Sorry for raising any suspicions regarding OP.

Got caught up in trying to make sense of something that will probably not have a satisfying resolution.

 

[lulilu]

Quick question I meant to ask in my previous post (I can’t edit) - what makes someone the top authenticator in the world? I am dead serious about wanting to know. I think people are confusing “most popular” with “best” and we should be wary of such broad statements that can misled potential buyers. To say someone is the best at anything would require some level of certifiable authority and tangible qualification that confirms their expertise in a given craft or discipline. Last I checked, anyone can be an authenticator which in and of itself is Problematic.

I suggest you look at bababebi's website to discover the level of her expertise.

 

[Yoshi1296]

^^^Lol all these “Sherlock Holmes” posters think they’re so speculative and smart when these questions were asked and have been answered pages ago in this thread. [emoji23][emoji23]

 

[AnnaE]

This thread is the most perfect illustration of Mark Twain’s quote “ it’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”
Half of the support for the seller and authenticator here are not by any means altruistic. They are merely self-denial of the possibility that some of you may be touting a fake Birkin or Kelly but would rather not know the truth after all, ignorance is bliss. Like someone aptly said earlier - if we don’t trust Hermes, why are we willing to shell up to 5 figures on their merchandise? If their artisans are inexperienced and not well trained, why have we created a demand for Hermes goods to the point where supply can’t seem to catch up?

There is a possibility of fake goods in many industries. If you buy a Picasso from an auction house, you have to rely on someone else’s opinion that it is authentic (and many an art collector eventually discovered fake items in their collection; I am not even talking about a half-billion dollar Da Vinci that may not be a real Da Vinci). If you buy an expensive wine bottle from an auction (or at a restaurant), you also have to trust someone else you are getting the real deal.

We cannot stop living our lives and getting things we love because of that. Yes, it is prudent to take measures to protect oneself (not buying $500 Birkins on eBay, hiring an authenticator, etc), and things do sometimes happen still, but at the end, we have to rely on the system.

 

[ahhgoo]

[emoji15] is it my eyes but one has gold hardware and the other is phw.

 

[srubka99]

I tread carefully in commenting on this thread, but as Shelock Holmes says, "How often have I said that when you have excluded the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

So we have a mystery. It's entertaining, engaging and succeeding in creating doubt in the reputations of authenticators, resellers, the vintage market and Hermes itself. Some posters cautiously suggest that the OP is a scammer, only to be denounced by what the motive would be, the rarity of the mou sellier, etc.

Suppose (and this is merely a mental exercise as I do not know the OP or the reseller, but have purchased both from H directly and vintage bags after authentication) the OP is the "super fake" counterfeiter?

My only support for this supposition is that the reseller, the authenticator and H are known to many in this forum and appear to have sterling reputations. (Although still possessed with the human foible of non-perfection). OP is the most unknown figure.

Here is some objective "evidence":
Photos posted by OP that were used for the authentication (see earlier in this thread):

Photo posted here: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-is-your-last-hermes-purchase.886190/page-1801#post-32322877

Are these pictures of the same bag? If so, where did the veining and worn area go? The bag in the last picture looks quite pristine, so why the need for the spa visit?

Look at the details- it’s the same bag! As for veins , they are visible in some lights in some they not... the way the bag sits where it’s slouch- it could not be a different bag!

 

[Yoshi1296]

[emoji15] is it my eyes but one has gold hardware and the other is phw.

It’s your eyes...

 

[AnnaE]

I am waiting for someone to bust out Photoshop and start overlaying / comparing graining and stitches in different photographs...

 

[NateSelwyn25]

Such a regrettable outcome. One way or another there is a fraud here. Any lawyers have an opinion - can OP sue the reseller and move for a subpoena dueces tecum to retrieve the bag from France as evidence? A longshot, and an expense, but is it possible?

To my the best of my knowledge, subpoenas in a civil trial do not extend beyond American borders. I'm not even sure they extend beyond the borders in criminal trials as I've only heard of a potential defendant being extradited. Never mind the fact the bag was likely destroyed as soon as they issued their "verdict" of the bag being fake.

At this point if it were me, I’d be on a flight to Paris retrieving my bag. No one has the right to destroy another’s property based on their opinions only. Especially since their opinions have been wrong in the past

Wrong, French law gives Hermes the right to seize and destroy knockoffs that incorporate their brand name.

My two cents: I don't get the feeling bababebi or the reseller are standing by their claim of authenticity in order to hide the idea they may have been wrong. But ultimately? Neither of them, to my knowledge, have ever been employed by Hermes in any capacity. I'm going to believe that *multiple* examinations by a number of different Hermes employees are going to produce a truthful and accurate answer.

On another note, I've seen plenty of claims here that Hermes has wrongfully claimed an item was a knockoff, but can anyone provide an actual instance? An employee in a shop who may have been there for all of a month saying a bag is fake is one thing, but the way I read those posts, it sounds as though more senior workers have made authenticity mistakes.

 

[Rouge H]

To my the best of my knowledge, subpoenas in a civil trial do not extend beyond American borders. I'm not even sure they extend beyond the borders in criminal trials as I've only heard of a potential defendant being extradited. Never mind the fact the bag was likely destroyed as soon as they issued their "verdict" of the bag being fake.



Wrong, French law gives Hermes the right to seize and destroy knockoffs that incorporate their brand name.

My two cents: I don't get the feeling bababebi or the reseller are standing by their claim of authenticity in order to hide the idea they may have been wrong. But ultimately? Neither of them, to my knowledge, have ever been employed by Hermes in any capacity. I'm going to believe that *multiple* examinations by a number of different Hermes employees are going to produce a truthful and accurate answer.

On another note, I've seen plenty of claims here that Hermes has wrongfully claimed an item was a knockoff, but can anyone provide an actual instance? An employee in a shop who may have been there for all of a month saying a bag is fake is one thing, but the way I read those posts, it sounds as though more senior workers have made authenticity mistakes.

I don’t understand in all of your post’s you come across superior in knowledge and like to point that out to others.
The only word I can think of is it’s wrong!

Never once did I nor will I debate French Law...my statement was my opinion..

 

[marbella8]

It seems from what OP wrote, the seller is being cooperative and willing to issue a refund, so why would she want to pull the seller into any litigation at this point? That can be done at a later time, if needed, which does not seem so, thank goodness.

All I wanted to do was to give her was an option to quickly stop the destruction of her purse by Hermes.

As for witnesses, @bababebi is one of the top-Hermes experts, and since she opined in favor of authenticity on this particular bag, it seems quite logical for her to be an expert witness for OP.

 

[ytro_na_more]

A little bit off topic but this seems to be repeated several times already.
I believe that the assumption that when the bag comes in for spa it goes back to original creator is incorrect. I was fortunate to ask this questions of artisan himself and the reply was that no, there is a department that creates and another one that restores.

 

[chicinthecity777]

It was a thought - no need to get worked up over it ....Geez...

Okay chill Yes I know there have been many bags bought from resellers that have gone to the Spa with no issues. I think I’ve also read stories of people being asked for proof of purchase.
no brand likes resellers coming in and buying their stuff to sell away. I don’t think there’s any brand that supports that. And this is an example of what might happen if you purchase from a reseller.
You can’t say that this isn’t a warning or rather a lesson to be learnt. no matter how reputable the seller, how “expert” the authenticator, you run the risk of something like this happening.
No need to get so worked up!

Me worked up? Never! I am just amazed! And very amused!

 

[chicinthecity777]

A little bit off topic but this seems to be repeated several times already.
I believe that the assumption that when the bag comes in for spa it goes back to original creator is incorrect. I was fortunate to ask this questions of artisan himself and the reply was that no, there is a department that creates and another one that restores.

That's right. You also can't guarantee that the artisan who created the bag originally are still working at Hermes years later. Things change, people change and company structure definitely change.

 

[chicinthecity777]

Deleting my post. I see srubkaa99's point.

Sorry for raising any suspicions regarding OP.

Got caught up in trying to make sense of something that will probably not have a satisfying resolution.

I managed to have a look at the photos you posted and IMVHO, they are of the same bag taken under different lighting. The way the sides slouch towards the bottom of the bag matches in both set of photos. I can also see vague veining in the low light photo and they seemed consistent with other photos.