How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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I am getting a lot of private messages asking for facelift recommendations in Korea. Here is @jsorchid's journey. https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/52-years-old-for-face-lift.997746/page-8
She flew from the US and had a smas facelift at ASPS at age 52 and posted a review with photos.
She flew from the US and had a smas facelift at ASPS at age 52 and posted a review with photos.
I had my free video whatsapp consult with Dr Bhatty yesterday and he suggested I was an ideal candidate for botox to my neck. He asked me why my facelift surgeon had not done a necklift at the same time. I told him I did not need it 2 years ago. He asked me why I am not going back to the same surgeon for a neck lift. I explained my surgeon is now too expensive for me. He explained how his neck lift is a lateral pull of the platysma muscle which he plicates to the mastoid bone. There is no cut under the chin. I asked him for his price but he said Louise his secretary would tell me.
I felt like I was in a designer boutique and not being told the price of an item. Sigh. Then my friend who had had a lateral neck lift without chin incision with another surgeon warned me that it looks good initially but does not last and that neck lifts that include the incision under the chin last longer.
I felt like I was in a designer boutique and not being told the price of an item. Sigh. Then my friend who had had a lateral neck lift without chin incision with another surgeon warned me that it looks good initially but does not last and that neck lifts that include the incision under the chin last longer.
This is interesting! I'm looking at a breast lift but am worried about scarring...
Hi Miss Orange
Many thanks for taking the time to reply
I'm wary of going down the Turkish route for procedures and find corresponding with them at the get-go on WhatsApp unprofessional. It also seems difficult to get honest reviews and feedback back from reliable sources to inspire confidence.
Your consultation with Mr Mabroor Bahatty sounded positive in the sense that he was not pushing surgeries it will be interesting to see what his costs are. What was your impression of him? Would you feel comfortable having procedures with him?
Thank you sharing your photos...You look amazing! And your skin is fabulous!!
You are super lucky not to have any turkey wattle...no excess flopping at all..Maybe some Profhilo to stimulate collagen in the neck area would be an option?.. I found a good neck massage technique on line using a wet towel soaked in salt water ...It helped the skin quality around the neck...and takes 5 minutes a day..
Would you mind giving your advice on what I should have done?
Many thanks for taking the time to reply
I'm wary of going down the Turkish route for procedures and find corresponding with them at the get-go on WhatsApp unprofessional. It also seems difficult to get honest reviews and feedback back from reliable sources to inspire confidence.Your consultation with Mr Mabroor Bahatty sounded positive in the sense that he was not pushing surgeries it will be interesting to see what his costs are. What was your impression of him? Would you feel comfortable having procedures with him?
Thank you sharing your photos...You look amazing! And your skin is fabulous!!
You are super lucky not to have any turkey wattle...no excess flopping at all..Maybe some Profhilo to stimulate collagen in the neck area would be an option?.. I found a good neck massage technique on line using a wet towel soaked in salt water ...It helped the skin quality around the neck...and takes 5 minutes a day..
Would you mind giving your advice on what I should have done?
Hi @Lynn, I'll pm you. I don't think new members can pm right away.Hi Miss Orange
Many thanks for taking the time to reply
Your consultation with Mr Mabroor Bahatty sounded positive in the sense that he was not pushing surgeries it will be interesting to see what his costs are. What was your impression of him? Would you feel comfortable having procedures with him?
Thank you sharing your photos...You look amazing! And your skin is fabulous!!
You are super lucky not to have any turkey wattle...no excess flopping at all..Maybe some Profhilo to stimulate collagen in the neck area would be an option?.. I found a good neck massage technique on line using a wet towel soaked in salt water ...It helped the skin quality around the neck...and takes 5 minutes a day..
Would you mind giving your advice on what I should have done?
As for Dr Bhatty, I saw some scar photos online and would have to rule him out based on his skin tension causing wide scars. I still have not received a neck lift quote, only a lower face and neck for £7,500 under local and £8k under GA. The fact I have had 13 email exchanges and 1 free video call and still no quote for just a neck lift is also discouraging.
I compared my FL scar vs ASPS and it is on par. I think Korean plastic surgeons pride themselves on the finest embroidery which then leaves invisible scars and my facelift surgeon Nick Rhodes also prides himself on his extremely fine embroidery with no skin tension.
Despite the price increase since my FL, my friend has booked my surgeon for April as she has seen my face up close at 2 years post.
Hi Miss Orange, I registered for this site just so I could connect with you. I did a marathon read of your thread in two days and it has been so incredibly helpful and inspirational. I’m 49 and would like to have a facelift and get my eyes done in time for my 50th bday at the end of the year. Getting silicone implants at age 39 caused me to go into early menopause at age 40 which sadly, caused premature aging. I really appreciate your warning everyone on this site about the dangers of foreign objects in the body. I didn’t realize I was suffering from breast implant illness for years but I’m happy to report I finally explanted last year and am feeling so much better! Never again!
I needed your advice on what you think should be done with my eyes? Do I need double eyelid surgery? Upper/lower Bleph? Fat graft? I’m half-Asian so would like to keep them looking a mix of both Western and Eastern I guess. Sorry for the oiliness of my skin…I just put a ton of face oil on it cause it’s so dry…menopause! And in my case, should I be getting it done in the US or in Korea? Also I know one eyebrow and eye is higher…how can this be corrected?
I needed your advice on what you think should be done with my eyes? Do I need double eyelid surgery? Upper/lower Bleph? Fat graft? I’m half-Asian so would like to keep them looking a mix of both Western and Eastern I guess. Sorry for the oiliness of my skin…I just put a ton of face oil on it cause it’s so dry…menopause! And in my case, should I be getting it done in the US or in Korea? Also I know one eyebrow and eye is higher…how can this be corrected?
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I also really appreciate how you advocate for your readers to not spend so much money on plastic surgery. I absolutely agree, but I’m also scared cause we only have this one face and I don’t want to regret going to Korea if it turns out poorly. I’m just beginning my research into clinics in Korea and it seems ASPS and BIO are the two to consider. I was considering JK but when I saw the BA pics of facelifts, many of them actually had “minilifts” which were thread-lifts as well. That’s a huge red flag that the surgeon is not skilled enough to lift everything up by FL alone. Do you recommend any other clinics in Korea for facelift and fat graft?
Anyway, I do have a consult coming up with Dr Timothy Marten soon. He starts at 50k (maybe 60k this year) for FL and Necklift with fat grafting in San Francisco. He’s the best kept secret and does not advertise like the other big names. He doesn’t need to. I have waited 15 months just to get the consult with him and it will most likely be another year for the actual procedure. I’m posting a BA from Realself so you can see his results. I have complete conviction that he is one of the most skilled FL surgeons on the planet, but I have three hesitations…I’m half Asian so not sure he is the one to do my eyes. I don’t want to wait another year for a FL. And of course the cost! I could probably afford 3 facelifts in Korea to his one, plus any other procedure I want done there. 😆
Anyway, I do have a consult coming up with Dr Timothy Marten soon. He starts at 50k (maybe 60k this year) for FL and Necklift with fat grafting in San Francisco. He’s the best kept secret and does not advertise like the other big names. He doesn’t need to. I have waited 15 months just to get the consult with him and it will most likely be another year for the actual procedure. I’m posting a BA from Realself so you can see his results. I have complete conviction that he is one of the most skilled FL surgeons on the planet, but I have three hesitations…I’m half Asian so not sure he is the one to do my eyes. I don’t want to wait another year for a FL. And of course the cost! I could probably afford 3 facelifts in Korea to his one, plus any other procedure I want done there. 😆
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stromal vascular fraction (SVF) - I will report back along with everything else I want done 
Thank you for introducing his name to me. What a nice genuine guy. If he fixes my soft tissue then I will make a post about the results.
Thank you for introducing his name to me. What a nice genuine guy. If he fixes my soft tissue then I will make a post about the results.Hi @Jukebe, welcome to TPF. Wow you read my entire thread in 2 days! That's epic reading.
As for your eyes, they are not hooded. I can see your entire iris. Your crease is small and natural which is what you want for Asian eyes. In Asians a big crease makes them look older.
Honestly I would not get anything done to your eyes. I have seen eyelid complications in 2 Asian ladies now and it truly has scared me off upper bleph unless you absolutely need it. I don't think the public are aware that one can end up with ptosis in one eyelid so it is half closed after upper bleph, or triple creases, or asymmetric creases even in the best of hands. It is just not worth the risk when there is nothing wrong with your eyelids.
As for the uneven brows, try eyebrow tattooing. I am also against a brow lift as when the browlift sags the scar becomes visible in the eyelid. Remember less is more!
Hi @Jukebe,
The name of this surgeon rings a bell for a number of 1 star reviews. https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/2709/dr-timothy+j.-marten-san+francisco-ca.html/
If I ever find even a single 1 star detailed negative review I avoid as the patient is more likely to be genuine as many doctors may now threaten patients who leave a negative review. In the UK signature clinic chain is allegedly suing a patient for £10,000 for leaving a negative review. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cosmetic-surgery-firm-uses-law-to-silence-critics-ngrjx2h9n#:~:text=When she posted a negative,: “I felt let down.
The photo you attached looks like the after is a close up phone selfie so the jaw looks thinner and longer. Remember, never go by photos or selfies. Find real patient videos of results ideally at 1Y postop as sagging may occur by 4-6 months. Find 3 happy patients and chat with them. As you say it is your one face. Also the price of $50k is astronomical. Does he use pds or prolene sutures? Does he give intraop or postop steroids? What is his revision policy? Will he guarantee his work for a year for free?
My US friend has now booked my UK facelift surgeon for April. His fee is £15995 or $20k for FL/NL under GA. He can use pds absorbable sutures upon request as permanent sutures may cause facial tenderness, irritation or abscess as a foreign body inside the face in some patients. He has a 1Y free retightening policy. I chatted with 3 former patients of his and saw their 11 months+ results before I booked him for myself. He has zero 1 star reviews. The only downside is he does not prescribe postop steroids so the patient will source elsewhere. This is the due diligence you need to do to guarantee good longterm results.
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Today’s post is a warning on silicone chin implants. The public is being sold on chin implants too readily in my opinion. It is vital patients are aware of the common yet serious bone erosion complication from chronic pressure of an alloplastic silicone implant. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10154005/
One only has to google to find umpteen research papers showing chin bone/mandible erosion in people with chin implants. https://www.ajodo.org/article/S0889-5406(16)30647-3/fulltext
Silicone chin implants may dislodge, extrude, get infected, be rejected, be too manly, be too big, etc. and surgeons charge more for revision to remove or replace. If you decide you do not want it replaced or cannot get it replaced for medical reasons, ie infection, then you may face a need for another lower facelift to address the empty pocket causing sagging of the lower face. You may unknowingly start a long cycle of implants as they do not last forever. Your body may also form a histiocytic reaction to the foreign body with chronic inflammation.
There are safer alternatives to build up a weak chin. Just like with breasts, you can build up your chin or cheeks with autologous fat. I, for one, had chin fat graft by Dr Seo as part of my full face fat graft in 2018. See my pic collage. Top left was before Dr Seo's full face fat graft including chin as he spotted my weak chin as I had chin shaving in 2016 and the rest are after Dr Seo's full face FT in 2018.
One only has to google to find umpteen research papers showing chin bone/mandible erosion in people with chin implants. https://www.ajodo.org/article/S0889-5406(16)30647-3/fulltext
Silicone chin implants may dislodge, extrude, get infected, be rejected, be too manly, be too big, etc. and surgeons charge more for revision to remove or replace. If you decide you do not want it replaced or cannot get it replaced for medical reasons, ie infection, then you may face a need for another lower facelift to address the empty pocket causing sagging of the lower face. You may unknowingly start a long cycle of implants as they do not last forever. Your body may also form a histiocytic reaction to the foreign body with chronic inflammation.
There are safer alternatives to build up a weak chin. Just like with breasts, you can build up your chin or cheeks with autologous fat. I, for one, had chin fat graft by Dr Seo as part of my full face fat graft in 2018. See my pic collage. Top left was before Dr Seo's full face fat graft including chin as he spotted my weak chin as I had chin shaving in 2016 and the rest are after Dr Seo's full face FT in 2018.
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Dr Timothy Marten is the guy who created extended high SMAS facelift and I seen his before and after on actual research data sites. It’s amazing, probably best I’ve ever seen so far. It’s just that he’s very old now and probably retiring soon. I would get facelift from him, but I’m too young for full facelift right now even after my horror cheekbone reduction surgery.
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