What about cheekbone implants? I’m considering it getting done because I’m suffering from the flatness of my cheeks after cheekbone reduction. I’m researching a lot to see if there is any doctor that can reverse this but if it’s impossible, then I don’t know if implants will help
How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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As good as dr Timothy marten is, he does one of the most invasive facelifts. If it’s your first time I would just go with less invasive ones like a regular smasectomy facelift which is a lot easier and faster and results are still great from what I researched
Read my post on chin implants. I say a big fat NO to any alloplastic silicone implants…cheek, chin, breast etc. You can build up flat cheeks with fat transfer or a smas plication facelift which gives fuller cheeks as the plication folds over the smas at the level of the cheeks.
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Hi @rosie8800, I looked up Dr Marten and he was born in 1956 which makes him 67! My facelift surgeon is at least a decade younger. I hate to say it but yes best to choose a surgeon in his prime.
Thank you so much for this advice Miss Orange! I will leave my eyes be then. There are so many eye procedures that it’s all very confusing to me. I trust your advice.
You are right on that one! Recovery after one of his facelifts sounds like an absolute nightmare! But I also agree that his facelifts are some of the best I’ve ever seen. I’m actually not sure what kind of FL he does? I guess it’s deep plane?
Hi Miss Orange,
It seems Dr Marten has a hater or a jealous competitor or something as all those one star reviews are most likely written by the same person. Someone who seems a little off and can’t even name the procedures he supposedly did on her. This person is all over realself, yelp and anywhere you can find Dr Marten’s name.
During my consult with him, I plan to ask all the Q’s that I’ve learned from you to ask. Dr Marten’s BA’s are simply incredible. And I love how he doesn’t even need to promote himself at all. It’s hard to even find much on him. But he came under my radar due to the YouTuber Lorry Hill as she had her face done by him. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
Your UK FL surgeon, I believe you mentioned that he only does deep plane now and you don’t recommend someone my age getting deep plane?
And my biggest concern with going to Korea for a FL is the placement of the incision. I believe the gold standard is the way Dr Marten does it, which is to follow the tragus of the ear. But I took a look at the thread you mentioned by the lady who got a FL at ASPS, and the incision in front of the tragus where it’s more visible. That seems the old-school and lazy way of doing it. What are your thoughts about this? I’m posting some generic pics I found on the internet of what I’m talking about below:
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Yikes! That makes me feel like I should either forget about him or try and get in quickly before he retires! 😅
Absolutely have to agree with Miss Orange here 100%! Please don’t get any silicone implants anywhere in your body! Your body will absolutely view it as a foreign object and try to fight it. It can wreak havoc on your health. Maybe not immediately, but eventually it will.
Hi @Jukebe, if you look at her recovery photos you see she has sagging postop! Her lower facial contour is square and not lifted. This suggests she may have had swelling postop, deswelled and now has sagging. This suggests her current appearance may be enhanced by dermal fillers.
I must be the only longterm postop facelift who has NOT had to go back to botox or dermal fillers. Be careful looking at longterm postop photos as often they do not mention if they went back to botox and dermal fillers.
Today’s post is a reminder ladies and gentlemen, that there are no shortcuts to good rejuvenation. I have heard all kinds of excuses…I want to get everything done in one trip to Korea as I can’t keep flying back to Korea; I want my cheaper Korean eye surgeon to give me bigger creases (despite the fact that Koreans have small natural creases so he doesn’t know how to do this. Instead go to a Western surgeon); I want my Korean eye surgeon to do my nose so he can do both at the same time to save money (ignoring the fact that one should choose a nose specialist); I want to get breast augmentation with mentor implants in Korea because it is cheaper (and ignore the fact that the mentor shell and gel are made of silicone and there is a US black box label warning on all breast implants); I want to get a cheaper facelift for $10k at VLIF in Korea even though the surgeon says he does NOT prescribe steroids (I’ll take my chances and inevitably the face sags as it deswells and the lady is back to square one back home); I want a cheap nose job in Korea and ignore the fact that the surgeon will be putting in a silicone nose implant (and it extrudes or is visible or bends); I want a silicone chin implant because I don’t want to fly to Korea for chin fat graft, etc. (until it causes pain, redness, rejection, moves, erodes the chin bone). Can I just say that I am FED UP when readers do not listen to me??? Hello??? What is wrong with you? Do you want to end up botched?
Lesson of today. Do NOT put anything made of silicone inside your body!
1. Silicone breast implants
2. Silicone nose implant
3. Silicone cheek or chin implant
Here is a 10 year before (2014) at age 47 and a recent after (2024) at age 57. Before you ask me if I had v line surgery or zygoma reduction, remember Korean clinics often use patient selfies as their afters and we know phone camera lenses make the faces look thinner, more v line and longer! My face is wider than the after selfies in real life but still looks good. It has taken me 6 years (2016-2022), 12 operations to my face, and 6 return flights to Korea. There were no shortcuts. And if I include body rejuvenation, add another 4 operations.
Lesson of today. Do NOT put anything made of silicone inside your body!
1. Silicone breast implants
2. Silicone nose implant
3. Silicone cheek or chin implant
Here is a 10 year before (2014) at age 47 and a recent after (2024) at age 57. Before you ask me if I had v line surgery or zygoma reduction, remember Korean clinics often use patient selfies as their afters and we know phone camera lenses make the faces look thinner, more v line and longer! My face is wider than the after selfies in real life but still looks good. It has taken me 6 years (2016-2022), 12 operations to my face, and 6 return flights to Korea. There were no shortcuts. And if I include body rejuvenation, add another 4 operations.
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@MissOrange your youthful nasolabial folds is especially astounding to me. Did you also get far grafts directly into the nasolabial fold?
Hi @mingaling99 yes I had fat graft put directly into my nasolabials but the biggest difference was getting the smas lower facelift as this took away all my nasolabials as deep nasolabials may be due to excess cheek skin. See the b&a smas facelift. The right is 2 years after. It makes a huge difference trimming away all the excess saggy skin to give a tight clean look and the smas plication ensures the muscle is tight too.
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This post is on failed upper eyelid surgery. One not uncommon complication is being left with a ptosis or droopy eyelid on one side. This then starts a cycle of getting repeat surgeries to fix the droopy eyelid. This is a complex operation due to the amount of scar tissue that forms with each attempt to get it right. At this point, you have to look for an oculoplastic eye specialist with experience in revisional ptosis surgery.
When in Korea July 2016, I met a young 18 year old Chinese girl who ended up with marked ptosis in one eye after her DES at Teium. Dr Kwon offered to partially refund her and give her 1 million won to come back and have him try to fix his botch. I do not know what happened next.
Here is one specialist surgeon who corrects other surgeon’s ptosis complications, but as he is based in Beverly Hills, his prices may well be unaffordable. On realself one patient cites she paid $15,000 for her eyelid surgery with him! It just highlights the risks of eyelid surgery, especially if you ask for big creases in Korea where surgeons do small natural creases. You may end up worse off with one droopy eyelid! Who goes to Korea to ask for Caucasian big crease dolly eyelids? Go to the UK or US for big creases as this is the Western eye and not Asian eye look.
When in Korea July 2016, I met a young 18 year old Chinese girl who ended up with marked ptosis in one eye after her DES at Teium. Dr Kwon offered to partially refund her and give her 1 million won to come back and have him try to fix his botch. I do not know what happened next.
Here is one specialist surgeon who corrects other surgeon’s ptosis complications, but as he is based in Beverly Hills, his prices may well be unaffordable. On realself one patient cites she paid $15,000 for her eyelid surgery with him! It just highlights the risks of eyelid surgery, especially if you ask for big creases in Korea where surgeons do small natural creases. You may end up worse off with one droopy eyelid! Who goes to Korea to ask for Caucasian big crease dolly eyelids? Go to the UK or US for big creases as this is the Western eye and not Asian eye look.
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Wow indeed, that's a big difference. And you got this done in the UK right? Who's your favorite Smas facelift surgeon in Korea? ASPS?
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