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Hi, I've just started to take a look at scarves and saw a romatique jacquard 90cm with pink edge but the jacquard pattern is the lute/guitar, is that possible? I was searching and it didn't seem like one of the variations for the romantique print.
 
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buttonmushroom said:
Hi, I've just started to take a look at scarves and saw a romatique jacquard 90cm with pink edge but the jacquard pattern is the lute/guitar, is that possible? I was searching and it didn't seem like one of the variations for the romantique print.
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no, that;s fine. there is a version withthe lutes. it's older and rarer than the fireworks jacquard
 
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Hello everybody. This is the first time that I have posted on this thread although some may recognise my name from SOTD and Ode To The CSGM amongst others. I was wondering if anybody has any knowledge of H scarves back in the early days. If so, I would be ever so grateful for your input. I have just taken possession of a scarf named The Angler's Companion. It measures 85cm across by 87 down (pics attached). I have since come across this design whilst researching it in a Parisian auction house and on the Hermès Scarf Guide on FB as being a circa 1937 copyright-less and author-less H scarf. I have no label attached and the hems (shown below) are hand-rolled but to the reverse (the seller has flattened them whilst pressing). Now, that would in itself convince me a more modern scarf was fake, but the Hermès Scarf Guide shows a similar one with a machine - stitched edge as being genuine so who knows? The print on mine is clean and sharp and the thread matches the scarf. The twill itself (which I have also tried to show below ) seems more akin to a summer twill than the normal 90s' twill of modern scarves or my one 1950's one. Not just that, but the months of some of the fishes' seasons are slightly different from that on the one on the Hermès Scarf Guide (mine uses, for example, the word "Michs" (I am guessing for "Michaelmas") . Again, that would normally ring alarm bells yet a similarly worded one to mine was recently sold by Bonhams. I am really quite confused and am hoping if perhaps somebody more expert in the early scarves than me could give me their comments. Even if it is not Hermès, which I fully expect, it is a beautiful old scarf which I would be delighted to wear. The silk is almost liquid! Do you know if this scarf was ever re-issued in the early days or did fakers exist even in the 1930s? Why would they bother when there is no name on the front? Was the earlier twill lighter? Thank you so very much in advance for any assistance you may be able to give to help me identify this scarf. 20170206_182301.jpeg20170206_182301.jpeg20170206_182332.jpeg20170206_182401.jpeg20170206_184322.jpeg20170206_183814.jpeg
 
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Pautinka said:
Hello everybody. This is the first time that I have posted on this thread although some may recognise my name from SOTD and Ode To The CSGM amongst others. I was wondering if anybody has any knowledge of H scarves back in the early days. If so, I would be ever so grateful for your input. I have just taken possession of a scarf named The Angler's Companion. It measures 85cm across by 87 down (pics attached). I have since come across this design whilst researching it in a Parisian auction house and on the Hermès Scarf Guide on FB as being a circa 1937 copyright-less and author-less H scarf. I have no label attached and the hems (shown below) are hand-rolled but to the reverse (the seller has flattened them whilst pressing). Now, that would in itself convince me a more modern scarf was fake, but the Hermès Scarf Guide shows a similar one with a machine - stitched edge as being genuine so who knows? The print on mine is clean and sharp and the thread matches the scarf. The twill itself (which I have also tried to show below ) seems more akin to a summer twill than the normal 90s' twill of modern scarves or my one 1950's one. Not just that, but the months of some of the fishes' seasons are slightly different from that on the one on the Hermès Scarf Guide (mine uses, for example, the word "Michs" (I am guessing for "Michaelmas") . Again, that would normally ring alarm bells yet a similarly worded one to mine was recently sold by Bonhams. I am really quite confused and am hoping if perhaps somebody more expert in the early scarves than me could give me their comments. Even if it is not Hermès, which I fully expect, it is a beautiful old scarf which I would be delighted to wear. The silk is almost liquid! Do you know if this scarf was ever re-issued in the early days or did fakers exist even in the 1930s? Why would they bother when there is no name on the front? Was the earlier twill lighter? Thank you so very much in advance for any assistance you may be able to give to help me identify this scarf. View attachment 3597054View attachment 3597056View attachment 3597057View attachment 3597058View attachment 3597060View attachment 3597061
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This Q is more for the Reference thread which i bumped up but to answer your questions, judging by your pix and your description of the scarf. it does not look like a 1930s screened scarf to me and is probably a reprint. How later, I dunno.

Also, it's hard to judge these really old scarves by the hem as the original state of them is the first thing to go. I would say that ur scarf was re-hemmed altho the re-hemming was done a long time ago. I dont know what is the size of ur scarf currently but the proportion of your border is too narrow for this design. It usually has a very wide border, even by Hermes standards. Which indicates to me that the hem has been taken in and redone.
 
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seton said:
This Q is more for the Reference thread which i bumped up but to answer your questions, judging by your pix and your description of the scarf. it does not look like a 1930s screened scarf to me and is probably a reprint. How later, I dunno.

Also, it's hard to judge these really old scarves by the hem as the original state of them is the first thing to go. I would say that ur scarf was re-hemmed altho the re-hemming was done a long time ago. I dont know what is the size of ur scarf currently but the proportion of your border is too narrow for this design. It usually has a very wide border, even by Hermes standards. Which indicates to me that the hem has been taken in and redone.
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Thank you very much Seton for getting back to me. Should I head over to the Reference thread (sorry) then from now on for this? The border is LHS:6cm, bottom:7cm, RHS:6.8cm and top: 7.4cm. I am guessing this is further proof of rehemming. I just can't find too much out there on the internet about this scarf and am curious by nature! [emoji4][emoji4]
 
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seton said:
no, that;s fine. there is a version withthe lutes. it's older and rarer than the fireworks jacquard
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Oh, that's good to know, I was thinking it was unlikely someone would make the effort to fake a jacquard and use the wrong print. Thanks for your insight! The one I saw had a stain but just curious, how old would this version be?
 
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Queen Maxima with what looks like an H scarf - I'm loving this purple edge any ideas if it is Hermes or something else? The hem certainly looks like H but i am bit out of touch with the latest designs. Thanks in advance for any help.
 

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Scarf Addict said:
Queen Maxima with what looks like an H scarf - I'm loving this purple edge any ideas if it is Hermes or something else? The hem certainly looks like H but i am bit out of touch with the latest designs. Thanks in advance for any help.
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It is the top right hand corner of Geometrie Cretoise in violet / anthracite / vert, 90cm
 
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Pautinka said:
Hello everybody. This is the first time that I have posted on this thread although some may recognise my name from SOTD and Ode To The CSGM amongst others. I was wondering if anybody has any knowledge of H scarves back in the early days. If so, I would be ever so grateful for your input. I have just taken possession of a scarf named The Angler's Companion. It measures 85cm across by 87 down (pics attached). I have since come across this design whilst researching it in a Parisian auction house and on the Hermès Scarf Guide on FB as being a circa 1937 copyright-less and author-less H scarf. I have no label attached and the hems (shown below) are hand-rolled but to the reverse (the seller has flattened them whilst pressing). Now, that would in itself convince me a more modern scarf was fake, but the Hermès Scarf Guide shows a similar one with a machine - stitched edge as being genuine so who knows? The print on mine is clean and sharp and the thread matches the scarf. The twill itself (which I have also tried to show below ) seems more akin to a summer twill than the normal 90s' twill of modern scarves or my one 1950's one. Not just that, but the months of some of the fishes' seasons are slightly different from that on the one on the Hermès Scarf Guide (mine uses, for example, the word "Michs" (I am guessing for "Michaelmas") . Again, that would normally ring alarm bells yet a similarly worded one to mine was recently sold by Bonhams. I am really quite confused and am hoping if perhaps somebody more expert in the early scarves than me could give me their comments. Even if it is not Hermès, which I fully expect, it is a beautiful old scarf which I would be delighted to wear. The silk is almost liquid! Do you know if this scarf was ever re-issued in the early days or did fakers exist even in the 1930s? Why would they bother when there is no name on the front? Was the earlier twill lighter? Thank you so very much in advance for any assistance you may be able to give to help me identify this scarf. View attachment 3597054View attachment 3597056View attachment 3597057View attachment 3597058View attachment 3597060View attachment 3597061
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This is a little off-topic for your scarf, sorry! But I didn't know that there were differences in the twill weight Hermes uses. I just purchased a scarf that felt very slightly light and soft . I decided it was fake, but maybe it was summer twill??? How big is the difference, in your experience? (Also, though it was hand-stitched, the stitching wasn't as perfect as my other scarves.)
 
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sara3903 said:
This is a little off-topic for your scarf, sorry! But I didn't know that there were differences in the twill weight Hermes uses. I just purchased a scarf that felt very slightly light and soft . I decided it was fake, but maybe it was summer twill??? How big is the difference, in your experience? (Also, though it was hand-stitched, the stitching wasn't as perfect as my other scarves.)
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Hi Sara3903. After much examination of my scarf ver the last few weeks, I think it is a regular twill, just soft after many years of use. The size of the weave seems to be the same as my other 90s. I am afraid I am no expert in the summer twills as I have only handled them in - store but from what I can remember they are more "shimmery" and "liquid-like" in feel (I hope that makes sense!). Perhaps somebody who owns some could comment further. Apologies for not being much use.
 
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Pautinka said:
Hi Sara3903. After much examination of my scarf ver the last few weeks, I think it is a regular twill, just soft after many years of use. The size of the weave seems to be the same as my other 90s. I am afraid I am no expert in the summer twills as I have only handled them in - store but from what I can remember they are more "shimmery" and "liquid-like" in feel (I hope that makes sense!). Perhaps somebody who owns some could comment further. Apologies for not being much use.
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Thanks! That's actually helpful--this scarf was not shimmery. but even though it was new with the price tag on, it felt a little soft. When I held it in one hand and another scarf in the other, it felt just a touch lighter.
 
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