Scarves Hermès scarf colors

[marietouchet]

really?!!!? wow. so in AW19, how do we account for the apparent “background” differences between these two JdL CSGMs? the second seems more white.

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to how a small portion of the unprinted fabric looks ex a 1 - 2 in sq, the grey sample - seen from backside of fabric is not a uniform gray at all , sorry I have no good closeups photos of "white" CS. H uses a lot of shades of white (ecru, blanc cassé etc) but all may receive the moniker "blanc" on the tag
"White" is a color most easily distorted by lighting and photography.
The first photo - the beigy JdL - was taken at home - different lights, not the blue fluorescents in the store
The second photo was done in a store and dimly lit but the blue ink gives a whiter overall impression - and to really nitpick (forgive me please) there is red behind the scarf, yes, the background for the photo matters (holding up to light versus on a solid background) - today's CS is sheerer (not as thick) so background colors show through - as in the photo of the blue one

 

[marietouchet]

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to how a small portion of the unprinted fabric looks ex a 1 - 2 in sq, the grey sample - seen from backside of fabric is not a uniform gray at all , sorry I have no good closeups photos of "white" CS. H uses a lot of shades of white (ecru, blanc cassé etc) but all may receive the moniker "blanc" on the tag
"White" is a color most easily distorted by lighting and photography.
The first photo - the beigy JdL - was taken at home - different lights, not the blue fluorescents in the store
The second photo was done in a store and dimly lit but the blue ink gives a whiter overall impression - and to really nitpick (forgive me please) there is red behind the scarf, yes, the background for the photo matters (holding up to light versus on a solid background) - today's CS is sheerer (not as thick) so background colors show through - as in the photo of the blue one

Duhh ... silly me ... there is an easy answer to this one ...
The Beige JdL is cw 12 which claims to be NATUREL on the tag ie beigey mix background (not absolutely solid)
The blue CW is cw 13 which claims to be BLANC on the tag ie white or as close as H gets these days
So, the two JdLs are different field colors to begin with

 

[Julide]

Duhh there is an easy answer to this one ...
The Beige JdL is cw 12 which claims to be NATUREL on the tag ie beige background
The blue CW is cw 13 which claims to be BLANC on the tag ie white or as close as H gets these days
So, the two JdLs are different field colors to begin with
I would love to see a closeup of the field on the "white" scarf, I doubt it is SOLID SNOW WHITE

MT fabulous information, thank you for sharing! Did H ever make a snow white CS background?

 

[marietouchet]

MT fabulous information, thank you for sharing! Did H ever make a snow white CS background?

Not sure ...
I just always figure CS looks like more of a broken color to begin with - the 3D weave adds shadows, at minimum
To my eye, CS always looks more mottled than twill
H has been putting NATUREL, GRIS CHiNË, BLANC CASSË on a whole lot of CS tags recently, you never saw those colors for CS 10 years ago

 

[Jbizzybeetle]

Duhh ... silly me ... there is an easy answer to this one ...
The Beige JdL is cw 12 which claims to be NATUREL on the tag ie beigey mix background (not absolutely solid)
The blue CW is cw 13 which claims to be BLANC on the tag ie white or as close as H gets these days
So, the two JdLs are different field colors to begin with

right, sorry, I did think earlier first post you were talking about the field “colors”.

 

[marietouchet]

right, sorry, I did think earlier first post you were talking about the field “colors”.

And to again clarify ... duh on me ... you can avoid my long winded musings and go straight to the 2nd post - the cream scarf is not supposed to be white
The second one does claim to be white

 

[marietouchet]

Good demo of white
Go to H.com and look for the CABANES CSGM - there are 3 Blancs with lt blue, dk blue, sepia - to me, the fields look different - all 3 look to be off white (to me) not snow white - The lt blue is the whitest
It would be interesting to have all 3 side by side and upside down to see if the same field color is really used

 

[marietouchet]

Color saturation example , my PATCHWORK 2004 , the one with sewn panels of 5 designs , I folded the designs over so you can see front and back in one shot
This photo has a piece of a beige brides de gala on top, and Pani on the bottom , he wears dark green
The beige on the Bdg soaks through completely, perfect
Pani’s green shirt is shaded , the green is not solid and some white ( unprinted silk is white ) peaks through on the green, so the front and back are dissimilar
So shading on the design makes for a color that does not soak thru perfectly

 

[marietouchet]

Same scarf , other snippets of designs , and actually more interesting result concerning color saturation from front to back
Top snippet is h cinetique, the bottom one is covertures et tenues
CetT is quite similar on the font and back , not a glaring difference , it was a classic screened design, at least in 2004
HC is another story , it is exactly 3 colors - red, black, white on front - on the left, and red, several shades of oranges, black, white on the back - right side
Wow ! HC changed colors ! The difference is quite obvious
Why ? I have always suspected HC to be digitally printed , one of he first 90s printed all the way to the hem, no border (it is hard to color the edges when screening, so coverage is reduced ). The red on the front is sprayed slightly unevenly and the “red” soaks very unevenly to the back. There is one shade of red in front and several shades of “orange” on the back

 

[Julide]

Same scarf , other snippets of designs , and actually more interesting result concerning color saturation from front to back
Top snippet is h cinetique, the bottom one is covertures et tenues
CetT is quite similar on the font and back , not a glaring difference , it was a classic screened design, at least in 2004
HC is another story , it is exactly 3 colors - red, black, white on front - on the left, and red, several shades of oranges, black, white on the back - right side
Wow ! HC changed colors ! The difference is quite obvious
Why ? I have always suspected HC to be digitally printed , one of he first 90s printed all the way to the hem, no border (it is hard to color the edges when screening, so coverage is reduced ). The red on the front is sprayed slightly unevenly and the “red” soaks very unevenly to the back. There is one shade of red in front and several shades of “orange” on the back

MT , thank you for these pictures and the information. Do you think the white on Pani was more of an overlay so a lighter amount of colour? Could that explain the absence of white in the back.

The colours of HC look brown and orange on the back! It doesn’t look like they are the same scarf!

Thank you for sharing!

 

[marietouchet]

MT , thank you for these pictures and the information. Do you think the white on Pani was more of an overlay so a lighter amount of colour? Could that explain the absence of white in the back.

The colours of HC look brown and orange on the back! It doesn’t look like they are the same scarf!

Thank you for sharing!

Yes, I was stunned that HC - on the back - is a different scarf - never noticed before
HC would be disconcerting worn with both front and back showing - they clash, or so my fuddy duddy mom would say
I have a couple PATCHWORKS so maybe I can remember to photograph the backsides of those HCs too
I think the PANI snippet was printed on a bolt of white (pre dyed/ pre bleached) silk - I have lots PANIS maybe I can look at those too
I do remember doing photos of some of my PANIS, the real one, the CARRE EN CARRE version and a reissue, the faces are quite different . There was an advertising blurb that PANI had like 16 color , just in his face, well that was the original issue only, his face turned green on later issues with limited palettes

 

[Julide]

Yes, I was stunned that HC - on the back - is a different scarf - never noticed before
HC would be disconcerting worn with both front and back showing - they clash, or so my fuddy duddy mom would say
I have a couple PATCHWORKS so maybe I can remember to photograph the backsides of those HCs too
I think the PANI snippet was printed on a bolt of white (pre dyed/ pre bleached) silk - I have lots PANIS maybe I can look at those too
I do remember doing photos of some of my PANIS, the real one, the CARRE EN CARRE version and a reissue, the faces are quite different . There was an advertising blurb that PANI had like 16 color , just in his face, well that was the original issue only, his face turned green on later issues with limited palettes

It would be great to see the backs of the patchwork’s. I did not realize that the printing process was simplified for the reissues and new collaborations on that old design. Would very much like to see more pictures if you get a chance!!

 

[Notorious Pink]

Wonderful information @marietouchet ! I always love learning this stuff. I am trying to remember when, if ever, I have seen a true white on H cashmere. The closest I have found personally were these shawls - Belles du Mexique (1/09) Au Pays des Oiseaux-Fleurs (12/15) and Robe du Soir (6/18). The windowsill, wall trim, shirt and dress form background are each true white. I think k these would be as close as you’re going to get.

 

[marietouchet]

Wonderful information @marietouchet ! I always love learning this stuff. I am trying to remember when, if ever, I have seen a true white on H cashmere. The closest I have found personally were these shawls - Belles du Mexique (1/09) Au Pays des Oiseaux-Fleurs (12/15) and Robe du Soir (6/18). The windowsill, wall trim, shirt and dress form background are each true white. I think k these would be as close as you’re going to get.

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Wonderful palette of whites, great info, they all look white at first glance
The Belles looks to be Ecru - at least to me, I dont remember the color names per H, but its ecru-ness may just be an optical illusion due to the browns
The RdS is indeed white per H - and the blues make it look winter white indeed - H243174S 10 Bleu Ciel Gris Bleute Blanc, if you want an outfit to look whiter, wear blue accents ..
The Oiseaux is 242983S02 Vieux Rose Ivoire Vert so, an off white per H
But the PdS is H243071S-06 Gris Chine Bleu Gris, a broken grey , though the snippet looks kinda white in the photo
I love the fun of looking - inn a geeky fashion at all the micro details - no one has to agree with my perception of color - to me, you have 4 very different white scarves - love em

 

[marietouchet]

Wonderful palette of whites, great info, they all look white at first glance
The Belles looks to be Ecru - at least to me, I dont remember the color names per H, but its ecru-ness may just be an optical illusion due to the browns
The RdS is indeed white per H - and the blues make it look winter white indeed - H243174S 10 Bleu Ciel Gris Bleute Blanc, if you want an outfit to look whiter, wear blue accents ..
The Oiseaux is 242983S02 Vieux Rose Ivoire Vert so, an off white per H
But the PdS is H243071S-06 Gris Chine Bleu Gris, a broken grey , though the snippet looks kinda white in the photo
I love the fun of looking - inn a geeky fashion at all the micro details - no one has to agree with my perception of color - to me, you have 4 very different white scarves - love em

Moire "white" RdS - from h.com
These are the mod shots of 3 other whitish cws - not including your pure white one - mod shots were chopsen deliberately because the model wears white - the white clothes make the scarves all look off white, they look to be naturel or gris chiné but some would call them white