Coach Rehab and Rescue Club

[Almmac]

Hello everyone. Last night I used up almost a whole bottle of Tarrago navy dye so I ordered another kit of Tarrago navy dye and Feibing's spirit based navy dye. I know that Tarrago is not supposed to be a penetrating dye but my purse really sucked it up! Now, I am wondering if I could use Feibings as a second coat. I know that Feibing's can be used as a first coat and Tarrago as a top coat but I wonder if I can use Feibings as a middle coat and use Tarrago again as a 3rd coat. I am almost out of dye so I had to get some more. I really like the results I've seen from using Feibings first and Tarrago last so that's why I changed my plan. I also ordered a bottle of Feibings dye prep just in case I need to start over. I am also going to concentrate my efforts on fixing the top edging problem before I do any further dying because I want the whole purse's edging to look uniform. Almost every seam, belt, corner, etc. has some brown edging that is now a dark navy color after the first coat of dye. Since the dye appears to be affecting the color of the edging on the other parts of the purse, I will try to get the top edging to look like it should and then proceed with the dyeing. Thoughts or advice?

I've been working on the edges but it seems to be a rather arduous process. I sand the edges down, put a coat of Dura-Edge on, check for mistakes, fill in cracks again, and start over. You can see from the edge that has almost no edge coating at all, how thin this product is. I have read that Dura Edge will fill in cracks and it does until it has dried and then I have to start over again. I thought this part was going to be repetitive and take a long time from other's posts and it definitely does. Fortunately, (because I am impatient) I don't have enough navy dye to do another coat so I am forced to work on this edging. Still curious about if anyone knows if I can use a coat of Feibings dye after doing a coat of Tarrago or if I will need to prep the bag and start over. Of course, I'm hoping that I can just move forward with the project without having to backtrack but it is super important to me that this is done correctly and will last a long time.
The first 2 photos are of the materials I am using for the edging. I've not used the Edge Kote yet but I am thinking of alternating coats between the Dura-Edge and Edge Kote. I am using a nail buffer to sand the edges between coats. So far there have only been 2 coats and I sanded down the part on the leather too much so used another coat of Dura rather than Edge but the next coat will be Edge Kote and I will lightly sand this time. I don't know if there is really any difference between the two products but doing this may help me figure it out.
The rest of the photos are showing the problem areas and the progress after 2 coats and an aggressive sanding.
On a positive note, the Dura Edge dries really fast. In the time it took me to post this, it has already dried.

 

[Almmac]

I've been working on the edges but it seems to be a rather arduous process. I sand the edges down, put a coat of Dura-Edge on, check for mistakes, fill in cracks again, and start over. You can see from the edge that has almost no edge coating at all, how thin this product is. I have read that Dura Edge will fill in cracks and it does until it has dryed and then I have to start over again. I thought this part was going to be repetitive and take a long time from other's posts and it definitely does. Fortunately, (because I am impatient) I don't have enough dye right now to do another coat so I am forced to work on this edging. Still curious about if anyone knows if I can use a coat of Feibings dye after doing a coat of Tarrago or if I will need to prep the bag and start over. Of course, I'm hoping that I can just move forward with the project without having to backtrack but it is super important to me that this is done correctly and will last a long time.
The first 2 photos are of the materials I am using for the edging. I've not used the Edge Kote yet but I am thinking of alternating coats between the Dura-Edge and Edge Kote. I am using a nail buffer to sand the edges between coats. So far there have only been 2 coats and I sanded down the part on the leather too much so used another coat of Dura rather than Edge but the next coat will be Edge Kote and I will lightly sand this time. I don't know if there is really any difference between the two products but doing this may help me figure it out.
The rest of the photos are showing the problem areas and the progress after 2 coats and an aggressive sanding.
On a positive note, the Dura Edge dries really fast. In the time it took me to post this, it has already dried.

Interesting development:
I feel like Edge Kote is a thicker heavier duty product. I can not get it completely off the paintbrush... which means it will stick to the purse better too. The problem is that while both products are labeled as "brown" the Dura Edge is more of a dark brown (the shade I need) while the Edge Kote is more of a medium brown. The back and front have very little of the Edge Kote and the sides have a full coat (See pics). I suppose I can continue to layer and just do the finishing layer with the Dura Edge or I can order the Edge Kote in dark brown and wait... not really my strong suit.
The best laid plans and all... fortunately I'm more a fly by the seat of my pants kind of girl. I may order the Edge Kote in dark brown but I will probably just use what I have for now. The Edge Kote really did a great job of filling in the cracks and though it still needs a few coats, I think there is a good smooth line forming for me to work with.

 

[Catbird9]

This is the kisslock frame from the navy foldover clutch that I fixed thanks to whateve's advise. The color is pretty close, although if you look closely, you can see a bit of a difference. Whateve, thanks again for telling how to fix that ugly hole with dimensional paint (it took me quite some time because I'd put the paint in layers, letting it dry in between and sanding off the top layer afterwards).

Nice work, I can barely tell it's there!

 

[AggieK]

Interesting development:
I feel like Edge Kote is a thicker heavier duty product. I can not get it completely off the paintbrush... which means it will stick to the purse better too. The problem is that while both products are labeled as "brown" the Dura Edge is more of a dark brown (the shade I need) while the Edge Kote is more of a medium brown. The back and front have very little of the Edge Kote and the sides have a full coat (See pics). I suppose I can continue to layer and just do the finishing layer with the Dura Edge or I can order the Edge Kote in dark brown and wait... not really my strong suit.
The best laid plans and all... fortunately I'm more a fly by the seat of my pants kind of girl. I may order the Edge Kote in dark brown but I will probably just use what I have for now. The Edge Kote really did a great job of filling in the cracks and though it still needs a few coats, I think there is a good smooth line forming for me to work with.

This picture was on the Coach website.

 

[whateve]

Interesting development:
I feel like Edge Kote is a thicker heavier duty product. I can not get it completely off the paintbrush... which means it will stick to the purse better too. The problem is that while both products are labeled as "brown" the Dura Edge is more of a dark brown (the shade I need) while the Edge Kote is more of a medium brown. The back and front have very little of the Edge Kote and the sides have a full coat (See pics). I suppose I can continue to layer and just do the finishing layer with the Dura Edge or I can order the Edge Kote in dark brown and wait... not really my strong suit.
The best laid plans and all... fortunately I'm more a fly by the seat of my pants kind of girl. I may order the Edge Kote in dark brown but I will probably just use what I have for now. The Edge Kote really did a great job of filling in the cracks and though it still needs a few coats, I think there is a good smooth line forming for me to work with.

I'm surprised edge kote is thicker than dura edge. I was going to buy some dura edge because I thought it was thicker. Edge kote is very thin and takes forever to build up. I'm too impatient. That is why I use dimensional paint or leather cement covered with edge kote most of the time!

 

[whateve]

Thank you Whateve for the advice. I tried more soap and water (a lot more water) for the spots and now that dried out no more marks.
Now perhaps the result of all the water to clean the spots on the bottom, the outside leather shows a ring that was not there before. How do I get rid of it, do I have to dunk the bottom?

I also need to ask if there is a way to clean the denim transfer from the canvas, I know it is very difficult in most cases, but this being a cream color fabric, no leather, perhaps there is a way to try being a bit more "aggressive".

Thank you so much, and wow! Since I last visited this thread I see a lot of new people doing wonders, the experts here are so talented and helpful

You can use anything that is safe for fabric. There are so many more things that will work on fabric that won't work on leather. You'll just have to experiment to see what works. I had a canvas purse that kept getting denim transfer even though I sprayed it with Shining Monkey. After every time I carried it, I had to scrub it. The stains came out but the fabric was textured and the scrubbing started making it look a bit ragged. I ended up selling the bag as I couldn't stand carrying it knowing it was just going to get stained again and again.

 

[whateve]

This is the kisslock frame from the navy foldover clutch that I fixed thanks to whateve's advise. The color is pretty close, although if you look closely, you can see a bit of a difference. Whateve, thanks again for telling how to fix that ugly hole with dimensional paint (it took me quite some time because I'd put the paint in layers, letting it dry in between and sanding off the top layer afterwards).

It looks great! I'm glad I could help.

 

[Almmac]

This picture was on the Coach website.

I wonder what that tool is. It would come in handy right about now.

 

[whateve]

I wonder what that tool is. It would come in handy right about now.

It looks a lot like a nail.

 

[HI5O]

Thanks to you, whateve, I was able to get an authentication on a Coach Madison Carlyle bag. Any thoughts on how to spruce it up? Just a few scuffs here and there. Would Blackrock or Leather CPR help? Thank you!

 

[Almmac]

This picture was on the Coach website.

What's up with that person's pinky nail? lol

 

[Almmac]

What's up with that person's pinky nail? lol

Sorry, I looked up the image to see if I could find out what the tool was and came across a larger version of the picture. Look at his fingernail.

 

[Ravvie99]

Thanks for the advice! I will use a circular motion for the second coat. I am really loving the color too! I was worried it would be too dark because the color on the cap looks almost black but it turned out almost a denim color. I'm sure it will darken up after I add more coats but I still have the midnight ordered so I can mix the two together to get a color that is the dark blue I am after. You should dye a purse! There is really not enough information out there about it and especially regarding the unique challenges that each purse has in the dyeing process. For example my tassles are becoming a bit of a headache because it is almost impossible to keep the individual tassles from touching and so I have to keep going over them with the dye. I may just immerse the tassles when I get more dye to see how that goes. The different colored edging is another challenge with this purse. Go for it and please document your journey!

I documented my Kooba dye over in the Kooba forum (that's where that reference list came from) but I've been looking for a trashed Coach to dye. Looking at your pics really makes me want to do it!

I've only used Fiebings and Edge Kote so sorry I'm not much help with your other questions. Like Whateve I am too impatient for endless layers of edge kote and instead tinted some much thicker Liquitex and painted it with edge kote once it dried.

You have a good perspective about being flexible and seeing what works so keep at it!

 

[Ravvie99]

This is the kisslock frame from the navy foldover clutch that I fixed thanks to whateve's advise. The color is pretty close, although if you look closely, you can see a bit of a difference. Whateve, thanks again for telling how to fix that ugly hole with dimensional paint (it took me quite some time because I'd put the paint in layers, letting it dry in between and sanding off the top layer afterwards).

Wow great job!

 

[Almmac]

I'm surprised edge kote is thicker than dura edge. I was going to buy some dura edge because I thought it was thicker. Edge kote is very thin and takes forever to build up. I'm too impatient. That is why I use dimensional paint or leather cement covered with edge kote most of the time!

Edge Kote is thick compared to Dura Edge. At least my jar is. The first few swipes I made with the attached dauber left a lot of drips down the edge of the bag. There was very little on the dauber and I just ran it along the edge like you see them do on the leather working videos. Edge Kote works more like the product they use in the videos. Thankfully the Dura Edge wipes off easily. Maybe I got a bad batch. I'm not too worried about it since I'll be dyeing over it and you can't really make out the dyed edging on the rest of the purse. I do want to make sure the color is about the same as it was though.