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Just wanted to add a little info about rehabbing an older purse that has a lining in it.

Do not leave the lining inside the bag when drying. When you start to dry the bag, gravity will pull the water down (gravity? Who knew? LOL!) and the water might still have some dye in it. The water can pool on the leather where it drips down and they dye in the water can leave a big stain in the leather.

I did not want the bag to dry in a strange shape so I left the lining inside while drying. Big mistake! But a second bath has taken most of the leftover dye off the leather and I will be washing her again soon.

I'll post pictures when she's done!
 
A TPFer asked for vintage bag rehab advice on the authentication thread recently and I started to write out a few suggestions - before I knew it, I had written a whole chapter! I am copying the info in this thread for future reference and I encourage other rehabbers to comment and offer their tips and advice.

Rehabbing a classic bag:

Below are the steps that I use to clean up vintage, unlined bags. It sounds like a lot of work, but it is really pretty easy and I get a lot of satisfaction from fixing up a dirty, scuffed, beat-up classic bag and bringing it back to usefulness and beauty! This is just my approach and I cannot guarantee that it will work for every bag. You should search TPF and check out this Rescue and Rehab thread to read the advice of others; especially if the bag is made of delicate leather, like pebbled leather. I’ve learned most of this stuff from many generous TPFers, especially BEBEPURSE who has been rightfully named the “Heloise of Handbags” by HappyBag!

Selecting a bag for rehab:

1) I suggest starting with a black vintage bag because they are usually pretty easy to rehab. But all of the older, unlined bags are nearly indestructible, so don't be afraid to go for it! You can pick one up cheap at a thrift store, garage sale, and flea market or on the eBay, bonz, and esty online sites.

2) Examine it carefully because the more popular vintage bags have been faked and you don’t want to waste money, time, and effort on a fake. So far I’ve only been fooled once and I’ve done a lot of rehabs. I am embarrassed to say that the bag I bought actually had misspelled words in the creed! Now I check more carefully! Before you start the rehab process, take photos and post them on the authentication thread to verify authenticity. If you are buying the bag online, try to get the auction authenticated first.

3) I always give the bags a “sniff test” (or ask the online vendor about smells and odors.) Most vintage bags have a musty, dusty smell and that’s fine, it will be eliminated by the rehab process. But if the bag smells like mold and mildew I usually leave it on the shelf. You know the smell, like damp towels that have been allowed to sit too long. I have successfully rehabbed one mildewed bag but I failed miserably with another one. I would only tackle one again if it was a very special bag or an extremely cheap price.

Rehabbing a vintage bag:

1) If there is a lot of lint and dust inside the bag then vacuum it out, otherwise just shake out the crud.

2) Give the bag a bath in the sink using warm water and a dye-free, perfume-free soap, like Ivory dish soap or Woolite. Let it soak for about 40 minutes. Turn the bag several times while soaking to make sure the entire bag gets submerged.

Note: I don't suggest giving a bath to a leather bag that has a fabric lining, although a few brave TPFers have done it successfully! And delicate, pebbled leathers and of course suede bags should not be washed.

Although I have never had a color-loss issue due to soaking any unlined black, brown, tan, gray, or navy bags; I would be more cautious with a brightly colored bag, like a red bag. Unless it was filthy I would try surface cleaning it first. Lexol cleaning solution (and Lexol cleaning wipes) are products often recommended for surface cleaning.

If the bag is very dirty, I have turned them inside out in the sink so that I can thoroughly clean the inside! If the bag has ink marks, try dabbing with rubbing alcohol to remove or minimize the marks. It is almost impossible to completely eradicate old ink marks.

3) Drain the soapy water, fill the sink with warm clean water and rinse well.

4) Let the bag drain in the sink for a few minutes and then stuff it with clean, dry, old towels or rags. Shape the bag while you are stuffing it so that it will dry with the proper form. I usually stuff old washcloths or paper towels into the pockets. Try not to distend the pockets too much because they may dry with a strange shape.

5) Set the bag on a towel to dry and remember to turn and move it every now and then.

6) After about a day, take the towels out and continue turning it periodically as it continues to air dry. Try to make sure that the pockets and compartments get some air exposure, too. Carefully hang the bag to dry if necessary.

7) When it is almost dry but still damp, apply leather conditioner (or leather oil) to the finished leather surfaces.

Apple leather conditioner is a popular brand. I buy it at the Burlington Coat Factory. It's usually by the shoes or with the leather coats and jackets. You’ll have to hunt around for it; don't bother asking the staff for help. If you don't have a BCF near you, it is available online.

You can also try a horse riding (equestrian) store because they usually have lots of leather conditioners and oils. Read the labels carefully! Don't use products that contain dyes, perfumes, waxes, or silicone. Don't use anything that says "may darken leather!"

I often use a brand called Leather Therapy Oil and I have read recommendations from others for Blackrocks and for Doc Martin's Leather Tonic, but I haven’t tried them yet.

8) After the bag dries use a metal polish like Brasso and a soft, dry cloth to shine up the hardware. Try not to get the metal polish on the leather or the fabric around the zipper threads. Keep a damp rag nearby to clean the metal polish off quickly if you do get any on the leather or fabric. Don't forget to polish the zipper pulls and the chain that holds the hang tag! Giving the hardware a final rub with a jeweler’s cloth is also very helpful, especially on the zipper threads.

9) Apply more leather conditioner to the dry bag (you may need to apply a few coats.) Let the bag absorb each application and buff with a dry, soft cloth to make the leather shine.

10) Sometimes there are a few, tiny frayed threads sticking out in places and I just use a sharp nail scissors to trim them. If the bag has serious stitching/ripped thread problems (like the strap is partially ripped away from the body of the bag) I take it to a shoe repair (cobbler) shop for professional repair. I usually do that before I start the rehab process to find out how much it will cost and to decide if it is worth it to continue.

11) Vintage bags often lose sealant (color) along the edges of the straps and handles. I use small bottles of permanent acrylic paint to touch up the edges. You can find them at hobby stores and often at fabric stores like Joann's Fabrics. They are usually less than a dollar each. You will also need an artist's paint brush.

Cobbler shops sometime sell a product called EdgeKote (I think that is the name? It is also available online) and I have read that it also works well on the edging.

I usually take the bag's hangtag to the store with me to match the color but be careful not to lose the hangtag, I did that once! The black is an easy match, but you can also mix small amounts of the acrylic paints until you get the color you need. Like mixing a few drops of black with a small amount of a brighter blue to get a darker blue.

I have found that the colors on the labels are pretty accurate but you can usually unscrew the cap in the store to look at the actual paint color under the cap.

Before applying paint (or using any new products) it’s always a good idea to “test first” especially if you are mixing paint colors. Apply a small amount of your paint mixture to an area of the bag that doesn't show. Let it dry completely to see how well it matches before applying it in areas that do show. Always use good lighting when working with paints.

The paint is permanent after in dries, but it cleans up easily with soap and water while it is wet or damp. I wear rubber gloves when I am working with paint.

Use the brush to lightly dab the paint along the edges of the strap or handles, try not to get any on the finished surface of the strap, and wipe it off quickly if you do get some on it. Let the paint dry completely, it dries pretty fast.

Don’t neglect the edging; it is amazing how much of a difference it can make to the overall appearance of the bag!

12) If the bag is missing its hangtag, call Coach Customer Service in Jacksonville and they will send you a free replacement. If they can't match the color of the bag, they will send a silver or gold-tone metal hangtag and chain to match the hardware. It usually takes a few weeks for the new tag to arrive.

You can also buy hangtags on eBay and bonz, but free is better and you are sure they are authentic because they came from Coach. I would only buy online if the bag was missing an unusual, special hangtag that I wanted to replace. Most of the vintage bags just have a leather hangtag that is the same color as the bag.

That’s all there is to it! Enjoy carrying your lovely bag and be sure and post before and after pics in this Rescue and Rehab thread!

Great Post! :tup:
 
I have fallen for a few of the older Coach lines. I picked up a City and two other 'unknowns' dirt cheap at a thrift. I'll post them for authentication later on but i did have a question. Is there anyway or where to get the leather fobs that had come with them as none of them. I see them on ebay but I'd be concerned about the ability to authenticate such items.
you can call customer service - sometimes they ask for the number of the purse, but they will mail out leather/metal hang tags with the beaded chain - I recently ordered a brass ball chain for my purple convertible hobo and a leather hang tag and chain for my mini bucket bag - for that one she asked for the item number.
 
Questions about suede and nubuck cleaning and protection:

I like the look of suede bags (new and vintage) but I have always avoided them because they seem difficult to care for and may begin looking "beat up" pretty quickly; but the pre-owned Ladybug straw tote that I recently bought on craigslist has suede (or nubuck) trim. The bag was really very clean but there were a few darker areas of soiling on the suede. You can see it a little on the pink bric-brac trim on the bag in the pic below. It's subtle, but you can see that the pink trim on the side of the bag is brighter than the trim on the front.

I didn't have time to try and clean it up before I went to Florida but now that I am home I decided to see if anything could be done. I stopped at a cobblers and bought a suede brush and a spray can of suede and nubuck cleaner.

I tried brushing it first and it didn't make any difference so I used the spray. I didn't want to get any of the spray on the straw or leather so I sprayed it on a clean rag and dabbed it on the suede. (That spray is nasty stuff, you definitely need to use it in a well-ventilated area!)

After the suede dried, I brushed it again and I think that it did help. I didn't post any "after pictures" because you really can't see any change in photos, but it looks a bit brighter to my eyes.

I am wondering if I should make any additional cleaning efforts or just leave well-enough alone, before my rehabbing fevor causes me to actually harm this delicate bag! (If I am ever on Antiques Roadshow, I will be the sad lady that destroyed the value of a precious antique by polishing it up to make it bright and shiny!)

I have read on this forum about using erasers to clean suede, are these just ordinary pencil erasers or are they special erasers? If they are special where do you buy them?

Any advice from the TPF rehab experts about cleaning suede and nubuck? How about tips for keeping it clean in the future? I have a can of Apple Garde, do you think it would be a good idea to use it on this bag?

Thanks in advance!

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Katev - I am certainly no expert, but I have used regular pink pencil erasers on suede with moderate success - just make sure it is not a colored eraser, that will leave marks. I have also used a plain emery board to take out some of the "dingy-ness" that suede tends to get after time. I still want to try the suede cleaner, I haven't been able to locate any in my area yet. HTH!
 
So, I need help, lol. I am not really into the classic and vintage bags yet, as I still consider myself a Coach newbie, but I have found myself with a bit of a project for a newer abused bag. I just received this white pebbled leather Ali that I won for an amazing price, well I thought it was amazing anyway. Here is the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...dcd7T60%3D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Here is my dilemma - I was desperate for a white bag, but I didn't want to pay a fortune because I know I will get it dirty. This one arrived pretty well dirty already - I think I can clean the leather, it's just mostly surface dirt, and only two tiny ink spots that are barely noticebale already. But the inside is atrocious (sp?). It looks like it was dragged through the mud inside out. I have zero experience cleaning a leather bag, this is my first used purchase, any special pointers out there? I am still undecided on what feedback I am going to leave, for that price I really want to keep it and I didn't ask for any additional pictures, so really it is my fault, not the sellers. And her communication and shipping was excellent, too, so I will probably just let it go - but I want to make this bag look close to new if possible. Sorry for the ramble, I'd appreciate anything you experts can tell me. I am at work right now, so if you would like pictures, I can post them tonight. TIA!
 
Katev - I am certainly no expert, but I have used regular pink pencil erasers on suede with moderate success - just make sure it is not a colored eraser, that will leave marks. I have also used a plain emery board to take out some of the "dingy-ness" that suede tends to get after time. I still want to try the suede cleaner, I haven't been able to locate any in my area yet. HTH!

Thanks, I will give those options a try but I won't go overboard! I have been searching ebay for a ladybug wallet and find that the pink trim on many of the totes appear to be very dirty; some are more gray/black than pink! It probably wasn't the best idea to put light pink suede trim around the top of the bag - but it's cute!

I'm feeling lucky so I won't overdo it. But any advice to keep it looking clean in the future would be appreciated. I want to keep wearing this little sweetie for a long time!
 
crowfan21f, that is a lovely bag but I think that the seller was a bit circumpect about the condition! "Condition: Outside is fine no scratches or stains. Inside is a little dirty has pen stain." That is a rather misleading statement!

If you decide to keep it and say nothing then I would suggest leaving good feedback. You shouldn't leave neg feedback without first giving the seller the chance to return and refund.

However, you might first try telling her (in a nice way) that you are disappointed in the condition and give some specific examples of condition issues. Offer to send pictures. You could say that you might be willing to keep it and try and clean it up if she is willing to to give you a partial refund. She might knock $10 or $15 off the price; it's not much but it will make you feel a better about the purchase and more willing to take some chances with the rehab process. I'll bet that you will find the outside is dirtier than you realize when you start to clean it.

I have only rehabbed one pebbled leather bag but it was a darker color and in pretty good condition and the inside was very clean. This is the cleaning advice that Hyacinth gave me for the outside of that bag:

"One thing you don't want to do is use straight saddle soap or any thick opaque cleaner (or conditioner) because anything that has any kind of color or leaves a visible residue will get into all those "valleys" in the leather and is almost impossible to clean out. Try just a thick fabric with a lot of texture like an old terrycloth towel and just dampen it and gently go over the bag one area at at time. Then gently wipe another old towel over it to dry the bag. Again, that's just a guess but it's the first thing I'd try."

You might start with plain water but with a light color, you may find it necessary to use a clear, cleaning solvent, like rubbing alcohol, perhaps; that would help with the ink spots, too. Remember that the pebbled leather is delicate and don't overdo.

Lexol cleaning wipes might be a good option but they are a bit "soapy and foamy so I am not sure, wait for advice from other TPFers. (You can usually find them at equestrian stores or at some shoe repair shops.)

When you condition the leather, again DON'T use anything opague (like Apple conditioner.) I haven't used Lexol conditioning wipes yet but you might check them out. A clear fine leather therapy oil might be a good choice - make sure it doesn't contain waxes, dyes, or silicone. Don't use anything that says "may darken leather." Read the labels carefully.

I am often a bit surprised by the high-price of some good leather cleaning and conditioning products (like Lexol wipes) but I find that I don't use much so they last, and I will have lots of opportunities to use them on other bags and shoes. I think good products are a worthwhile investment; but plain water and rubbing alcohol are pretty cheap so you might start with them. It is always wise to carefully test any products in an obscure spot first.

I have never cleaned the inside of a lined bag so I won't try to give you advice. If you search this thread and elsewhere on TPF you will find threads about rehabbers that have had great success in cleaning linings. They usually pull the lining out of the bag and apply various cleaning technigues, so check it out.

If the lining remains too dingy to live with, a purse liner insert would be a nice option. And it would add a little bit of structure to the Ali which is very pretty but quite unstructured. Again you would be investing more money into a "bargain bag" but you will probably be able to use the liner with other bags. Search the coach TPF forum for Ali and liners for more information.

Let us know what you decide to do and how it works out, good luck!
 
crowfan21f, I can't tell from the picture, but is your Ali missing the leather tag? You have the pretty, round metal tag that is so distinctive on Ali bags so that's good. If it is missing the other tag that is something else that you should mention to the vendor regarding condition. It appears that the color of white Ali bags were called "parchment."

You can get a free replacement tag by calling customer service in Jacksonville, or visiting your local FP boutique store and asking if they have any extra parchment leather tags. If they have any they will usually just give one to you. JAX may send you a metal tag that matches the hardware.

Here's a listing for a parchment Ali on ebay (NMA) that shows both tags:

http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-13655-ALI...5624?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=bin41589d9168
 
crowfan21f, I can't tell from the picture, but is your Ali missing the leather tag? You have the pretty, round metal tag that is so distinctive on Ali bags so that's good. If it is missing the other tag that is something else that you should mention to the vendor regarding condition. It appears that the color of white Ali bags were called "parchment."

You can get a free replacement tag by calling customer service in Jacksonville, or visiting your local FP boutique store and asking if they have any extra parchment leather tags. If they have any they will usually just give one to you. JAX may send you a metal tag that matches the hardware.

Here's a listing for a parchment Ali on ebay (NMA) that shows both tags:

http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-13655-ALI...5624?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=bin41589d9168

Sorry I didn't respond right away, I wanted to think on this some more and get some pics this morning in the natural light (which is hard considering the neverending rain). I didn't think it was going to be such a daunting task to clean, I figured I could just give her a bath and Apple her up. Thanks for telling me about not using opaque conditioner, that would have been my first (of many) mistakes. I am going to post these pics I took, and you guys can tell me what you think. I'm beginning to think it wasn't the deal I thought it was and am going to contact the seller and see what she has to offer. I don't want it to seem like buyer's remorse because it is exactly the type of bag I wanted, just not in the condition I wanted. Oh, and yes it is also missing the hangtag, but that was the least of my worries when I received it...

Stupid photobucket maintenance - just going to add the flickr links here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61806720@N03/5624796288/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61806720@N03/5624796442/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61806720@N03/5624796590/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61806720@N03/5624796730/

Thanks for all your help!
 
Wow, she is a mess, especially the inside! :sad:

Personally I don't think I would tackle that challenge, especially not as my first rehab project.

Light colored bags are very hard to clean and the inside is awful. I would probably contact the seller and tell her that the bag is significantly NOT as described:

"Condition: Outside is fine no scratches or stains. Inside is a little dirty has pen stain."

Also mention that she did not disclose the missing leather hangtag or the ink stains on the outside in the auction description.

A lot depends on how much you like the bag and how willing you are to try and rehab it. I am worried that you might put a lot of effort into it and come out with a bag that you are not comfortable carrying - and that would be a shame.

There has been some recent discussion on this forum about "washing coach bags in the washing machine." My thoughts on that topic are that it would be my last resort, only if I still wouldn't want to carry the bag after trying other cleaning methods. This bag might be a candidate for the wash machine but I don't know how well that delicate pebbled leather would stand up to such treatment.

Honestly, I would contact the seller and politely but firmly tell her about your concerns. Ask for a full refund including return shipping costs. If she complies then I would leave positive (but not glowing!) feedback. Then keep your eyes open for a better rehab prospect.

If she doesn't respond or refuses to comply than you can file a claim with ebay and paypal. I know that sounds like a lot of work but I had to do it once. Not on a coach bag, another item I bought on Bonz that was never sent and the seller refused to respond to my messages. I got a full refund and it wasn't all that much hassle.

If you still want to try and rehab the bag then try and get a partial refund because you may be disappointed with the results. Remember that there is no returning it later once you accept it and attempt to clean it.

Wait to hear other opinions before making a decision. I am not experienced with light colored bags or lined bags but I have seen some amazing rehab reveals on this forum. Coach bags are very resilient; so the situation may not be as dire as I think.

Good luck and let us know what happens!
 
Thanks, katev, I did send her a message indicating that I was disappointed in the condition of the bag and that it is missing the hangtag. I asked if she would consider a return or partial refund, will let you know what she says.
 
This is for YOU guys and gals, you know who you are....

You ...
-find sales at thrift shops on classic pieces
-dig through yard sales for rare gems
-scan through C-list or other online sites for those buy-it-now kinda cheap deals
-get a well loved hand me down from a friend or family member
-worship the ground that the Coach Authenticate this volunteers walk on for their knowledge, expertise and growing warmth in helping to educate others

... and most of all, you appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into Coach, not just in a specific year, but ALL years.

I'm giving a shout out to the classic and NON classic lovers, rehab-ers and bag rescuers who make this forum the place to come on cleaning/fixing and improving the bags we have and the ones we find.

:drinkup::ghi5:
:welcome2: to the Coach R&R (rescue & rehab) Club!

Feel free to post your finds, your fixes and your loves and help spread the enjoyment that is giving a 2nd life to a Coach bag that never goes out of style!
How did I ever miss this thread?!!! This is where I should have been posting. I guess I can put a link to my thread. I hope you don't mind. I sure do enjoy refurbishing neglected bags.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach/all-you-rehab-experts-help-is-needed-here-675607.html
 
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