CITES, travel and exotics

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#121
^no worries! (^(oo)^)v

reposting here so people don't have to wade thru the very dense website

Personal effects. You do not need a CITES document to import, export, or re-export any legally acquired specimen of a CITES species to or from the United States if all of the following conditions are met:
  1. No live wildlife or plant (including eggs or non-exempt seeds) is included.
  2. No specimen from an Appendix-I species is included, except for certain worked African elephant ivory as provided in paragraph (f) of this section.
  3. The specimen and quantity of specimens are reasonably necessary or appropriate for the nature of your trip or stay and, if the type of specimen is one listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, the quantity does not exceed the quantity given in the table.
  4. You own and possess the specimen for personal use, including any specimen intended as a personal gift.
  5. You are either wearing the specimen as clothing or an accessory or taking it as part of your personal baggage, which is being carried by you or checked as baggage on the same plane, boat, vehicle, or train as you.
  6. The specimen was not mailed or shipped separately.
here's the referenced specimen list from paragraph (c)(3):
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keep in mind, this is just to enter/exit the USA - you'll also want to check regulations for your destination country here, scroll to the bottom table and locate your destination country:

http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/reference.shtml
 

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#124
As far as I heard from friends, H stopped giving CITES certs unless requested recently. But it is provided free of charge if requested.

Funny that they would charge you $200 for it!
 
#127
Never heard of paying for the CiITES. This seems excessive.

I have no intention of leaving the country with Hermes reptiles, enough other things to worry about when traveling.
 
#130
xiangxiang0731 said:
Sorry to this old thread. Just wondering has anybody managed to get a replacement CITES certificate from any H boutique for their vintage or reseller obtained exotic skin bags? TIA!
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I don't have a vintage or reseller obtained bag, but I don't understand why there is an issue with a photocopied piece of paper. Surely you only need one copy for any/all your bags, rather than one for each bag you own? Can't you or the reseller just photocopy the document from someone else rather than rely on Hermes? Also if the exotic bag has to be sent to Paris from anywhere else in the world for spa/work, wouldn't Hermes need one themselves, which they could issue?

I know I don't understand the issues but would be happy to know!
 
#131
HermesFSH said:
I don't have a vintage or reseller obtained bag, but I don't understand why there is an issue with a photocopied piece of paper. Surely you only need one copy for any/all your bags, rather than one for each bag you own? Can't you or the reseller just photocopy the document from someone else rather than rely on Hermes? Also if the exotic bag has to be sent to Paris from anywhere else in the world for spa/work, wouldn't Hermes need one themselves, which they could issue?

I know I don't understand the issues but would be happy to know!
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I asked a simple question. I don't understand why this caused such distress for you?

Firstly, the CITES certificate is NOT always a photo copy. Many people obtained original documents. Secondly, the reseller may not have one to copy from. I am in such a situation and I don't own any other exotic skin bags which have a CITES. The bag is produced by Hermes. Only they can prove the source of the skin they used. Why shouldn't I ask Hermes to help? And CITES is NOT required for spa, it's required when travelling to certain countries. Please do a research reading first.
 
#132
xiangxiang0731 said:
I asked a simple question. I don't understand why this caused such distress for you?

Firstly, the CITES certificate is NOT always a photo copy. Many people obtained original documents. Secondly, the reseller may not have one to copy from. I am in such a situation and I don't own any other exotic skin bags which have a CITES. The bag is produced by Hermes. Only they can prove the source of the skin they used. Why shouldn't I ask Hermes to help? And CITES is NOT required for spa, it's required when travelling to certain countries. Please do a research reading first.
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I am not distressed, confused maybe. A lot of people have photocopies which suffices, that's all, and the ones with originals got it at the time of purchase from the Boutique, but then Boutiques also provide photocopies so it doesn't make a difference whether original or not. I never meant it was always a photocopy, just that a photocopy will do. I have researched enough for my needs, I am not the one who acquired a bag from a reseller without a CITES. It was a simple comment which I am entitled to make.

By all means ask Hermes, maybe they will assist you (I know my SA would not necessarily give any original paperwork for a bag she hasn't sold). I know it's not needed for spa but Hermes as a company would have to pass it through customs themselves to get to Paris so I was asking if they would have to issue a certificate for their purposes. It was a question I was asking not a fact I was stating. Calm down.
 
#133
HermesFSH said:
I am not distressed, confused maybe. A lot of people have photocopies which suffices, that's all, and the ones with originals got it at the time of purchase from the Boutique, but then Boutiques also provide photocopies so it doesn't make a difference whether original or not. I never meant it was always a photocopy, just that a photocopy will do. I have researched enough for my needs, I am not the one who acquired a bag from a reseller without a CITES. It was a simple comment which I am entitled to make.

By all means ask Hermes, maybe they will assist you (I know my SA would not necessarily give any original paperwork for a bag she hasn't sold). I know it's not needed for spa but Hermes as a company would have to pass it through customs themselves to get to Paris so I was asking if they would have to issue a certificate for their purposes. It was a question I was asking not a fact I was stating. Calm down.
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I am very calm. Thank you for your concern. I also have the right to ask the question without being pressed with pursues such as "why should you ask such a question". I am asking for help, not a lecture, which your post sounded just like the latter.
 
#134
Funny or not, I just recently have this issue with custom. However, I don't have my CITIES documents in handy for my birkin club, so the USA custom assuming the bag is fake.. Ewww, how disgusting. But, all you have do is gave a H a call, and tell them what the problem is. H will re-issue you a CITIES document for FREE. But, it takes about 3-4 weeks
 
#135
doommofo said:
Funny or not, I just recently have this issue with custom. However, I don't have my CITIES documents in handy for my birkin club, so the USA custom assuming the bag is fake.. Ewww, how disgusting. But, all you have do is gave a H a call, and tell them what the problem is. H will re-issue you a CITIES document for FREE. But, it takes about 3-4 weeks
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doommofo, thank you for posting this info! Did H ask you where you bought the bag? Or does it matter?
 
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