Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[momoyb]

Read the six Salearea Coach Guides, the link is pinned to the top of every Authenticate This Coach thread that has an index. Read the Daria48 Fake Numbers list that's part of the same thread too. One of the reasons I wrote the Guides was so we don't have to answer the same questions over and over and over again, all the answers are in one place. The first 13 posts are mostly background and the links probably aren't working.

SaleArea guides

Now that ebay is removing the guides they've been hosting for years, those who use those guides have been forced to either save them on their computers or print them. Tonight I found that the Salearea guides (including the Hyacinth/Salearea collaboration ones) have been saved to Salearea's...

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oh noooo, I had hoped never to be deserving of this direction twice, so sorry! I have pored over the guides, i guess i don't understand it well. thanks again for evaluating these things, I am excited to learn and will hopefully get better at it!

 

[BeenBurned]

My first try, I hope I won't mess this up.

Item: Coach Binocular
Listing number: Not found
Site: Etsy link
Seller: vintagecoach4less

Comments: Found the catalog section (thanks sallellen) and this bag caught my eye on a 90s one, the color burgundy was available at the time and I searched for one, found this purple instead in Etsy. Not sure the condition being dyed is worth that much, but more important is it real? Seller has a lot of good ratings, but everyone makes mistakes and I do not want my first vintage buy to be one. Thank you for your time and help.

Hi @Crystal2022

Welcome to TPF. I want to let you know that you aren't being ignored, but because some sites and sellers have been and have caused problems (various issues) and because authenticators on TPF are volunteers, we may choose not to authenticate items.

The Etsy seller whose listing you've asked about is the same person as the Ebay seller about whom @Hyacinth posted 2 nights ago. Her post below has links to a few examples of why we skip requests involving that seller.

The seller's ID is actually RESALEDEALS4YOU

That's VERY important because - well, let's just say the seller has a history with tPF, me and other tPF members, as you would have found out if you had searched for the seller's name here on tPF.

https://forum.purseblog.com/search/1508207/?q=resaledeals4you&o=date

Here are the links that best explain the problem:

ID This Coach item! -- Post any Coach item name questions here! --

Hello all! I have this Bridle bag with no serial so I’m unsure of it’s name or style number. It looks like the satchel but has a detachable strap as well. This one has 10” handles and measures 10 x 7.5 x 3ish. Any help is greatly appreciated! There are some "missing" style numbers in the...

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Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

IMPORTANT READ-ME Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please. For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread. Please follow the following requests: Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this...

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Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

IMPORTANT READ-ME Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please. For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread. Please follow the following requests: Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this...

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I do not authenticate any items from that seller " RESALEDEALS4YOU " under any of the multiple IDs he uses, on Ebay, Poshmark, Mercari or any other selling site. The many reasons why can be found in those posts and others.

 

[Hyacinth]

oh noooo, I had hoped never to be deserving of this direction twice, so sorry! I have pored over the guides, i guess i don't understand it well. thanks again for evaluating these things, I am excited to learn and will hopefully get better at it!

To just reduce the answer to your earlier question to its essence - Coach serial numbers in bags made earlier than 1994 did NOT include the style number or any other kind of production codes, they were just completely random numbers and each number should only have been used once and was unique to the bag it was stamped in.

Beginning in 1994, genuine Coach serial numbers began to include the month, year and plant codes for that specific bag, and the official Coach style number made up the second half of the serial number.

Your original question about this listing:

Vintage Coach Crossbody Shoulder Neutral Black Equestrian Saddle Bag Purse | eBay

Pocket on front behind snap. Has pocket on back. Small wear on bottom.

www.ebay.com

with the serial number "1022-239" asked " Why does the creed not say 9890?". Since the details of the serial number and creed AND the catalog dates of its listings indicate that the bag was made some time between 1990 and 1993, the serial number would NOT include the style number 9890 since Coach didn't start including style numbers as part of the serial number until 1994.

(The fakes makers made mistakes as they changed their stampings to meet Coach's new format, but Coach plants made mistakes early in the years of the new format too. But that's another story for another time.)

I hope that answers your question. Once someone has ACCURATE information concerning a Coach's creed details and serial number and if lucky, some old catalogs, they can figure out out a bag's history and usually whether or not it's genuine.

 

[momoyb]

To just reduce the answer to your earlier question to its essence - Coach serial numbers in bags made earlier than 1994 did NOT include the style number or any other kind of production codes, they were just completely random numbers and each number should only have been used once and was unique to the bag it was stamped in.

Beginning in 1994, genuine Coach serial numbers began to include the month, year and plant codes for that specific bag, and the official Coach style number made up the second half of the serial number.

Your original question about this listing:

Vintage Coach Crossbody Shoulder Neutral Black Equestrian Saddle Bag Purse | eBay

Pocket on front behind snap. Has pocket on back. Small wear on bottom.

www.ebay.com

with the serial number "1022-239" asked " Why does the creed not say 9890?". Since the details of the serial number and creed AND the catalog dates of its listings indicate that the bag was made some time between 1990 and 1993, the serial number would NOT include the style number 9890 since Coach didn't start including style numbers as part of the serial number until 1994.

(The fakes makers made mistakes as they changed their stampings to meet Coach's new format, but Coach plants made mistakes early in the years of the new format too. But that's another story for another time.)

I hope that answers your question. Once someone has ACCURATE information concerning a Coach's creed details and serial number and if lucky, some old catalogs, they can figure out out a bag's history and usually whether or not it's genuine.

OMG this is incredible, can't thank you enough!

 

[keb7332]

I'm hoping that one of the knowledgeable people here can tell me if this bag is authentic. I found a denim croc embossed Rhyder #34501 on ebay, and have taken some extra pictures as well. Please let me know if you need any more information. Thank you so much!

Item: Coach Rhyder in croc embossed denim leather
Listing number: 234399872064
Seller and site where listed: ebay ID sassyshannonboutique
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234399872064

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm hoping that one of the knowledgeable people here can tell me if this bag is authentic. I found a denim croc embossed Rhyder #34501 on ebay, and have taken some extra pictures as well. Please let me know if you need any more information. Thank you so much!

Item: Coach Rhyder in croc embossed denim leather
Listing number: 234399872064
Seller and site where listed: ebay ID sassyshannonboutique
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234399872064

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It looks fine.

 

[Crystal2022]

Hi @Crystal2022

Welcome to TPF. I want to let you know that you aren't being ignored, but because some sites and sellers have been and have caused problems (various issues) and because authenticators on TPF are volunteers, we may choose not to authenticate items.

The Etsy seller whose listing you've asked about is the same person as the Ebay seller about whom @Hyacinth posted 2 nights ago. Her post below has links to a few examples of why we skip requests involving that seller.

Thank you I appreciate your help. Wow! I read about this person and who is so twisted? I wrote down the names used, so I won't ever buy from him, yuk!

Also no worries... I didn't feel ignored. I totally understand you ladies do this generously sharing your time and knowledge, not taking it for granted.

 

[CSB123]

Hi, Could you please authenticate these? I'd love to find a bag in a cooler brown (taupe?) but I couldn't find any color like that listed for these models in these years in a few older catalogs I had. (I'm finding it SO HARD to tell the difference between these lighter brown colors in various pics due to lighting. It's making me crazy.) Thank you so much!

4143 Worth bag

Coach True Vintage Bucket Hobo Shoulder Bag Tan Leather 19" Drop Strap L5C-4143

Shop ooohlala_2009's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Coach True Vintage Bucket Hobo Shoulder Bag Tan Leather 19" Drop Strap L5C-4143. In good condition. Has some signs of wear. Some pen marks and slight wear on corners. Please see...

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4150 Fletcher bag

Classic Vintage Coach Bag

Shop 3littleguys's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Shoulder/Crossbody Medium Size Purse. Excellent condition. No rips or tears. Inside is clean. Two small discolored pinpoints on front Flap-see pic Creamy soft taupe goes with...

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[keb7332]

It looks fine.

@BeenBurned thank you, this made my weekend!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi, Could you please authenticate these? I'd love to find a bag in a cooler brown (taupe?) but I couldn't find any color like that listed for these models in these years in a few older catalogs I had. (I'm finding it SO HARD to tell the difference between these lighter brown colors in various pics due to lighting. It's making me crazy.) Thank you so much!

4143 Worth bag

Coach True Vintage Bucket Hobo Shoulder Bag Tan Leather 19" Drop Strap L5C-4143

Shop ooohlala_2009's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Coach True Vintage Bucket Hobo Shoulder Bag Tan Leather 19" Drop Strap L5C-4143. In good condition. Has some signs of wear. Some pen marks and slight wear on corners. Please see...

poshmark.com

4150 Fletcher bag

Classic Vintage Coach Bag

Shop 3littleguys's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Shoulder/Crossbody Medium Size Purse. Excellent condition. No rips or tears. Inside is clean. Two small discolored pinpoints on front Flap-see pic Creamy soft taupe goes with...

poshmark.com

Please copy the best and most readable photo of the creed stamp and serial number from each listing and post them here using the "Reply" button in this post. Thank you.

 

[CSB123]

Sure. Here they are. Thanks!

 

[Hyacinth]

Sure. Here they are. Thanks!



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Perfect! Thank you

Both are genuine. The top one, style 4143 is a Worth Bag, made in late 1995 as a 1996 Spring style, and the color might be Cappuccino. That color seems that it was only available for the Soho line as far as I can see, and only for a short time. It looks darker in the catalog photo than it does in the seller's listing but I'm not sure what else it could be. In the catalog photos it looks like a mix of Taupe and Cocoa. Here's a Back Sac in Cappuccino from the 1996 Spring catalog, click on the thumbnail to enlarge.



The second bag is a Fletcher Bag style 4150 and made in mid-1998. There was a color called Toffee during that time period that is listed as having nickel-color hardware with Soho styles, so that might be it since the seller said the actual bag is darker than some of the photos. She doesn't say what color the hardware is. The catalog pictures showing "Toffee" on other styles don't look anything like what I would call Toffee unless the candy manufacturers are making some odd-colored sweets these days, so I can't be much help with that color.

Colors can be really hard to pin down, that's why I usually avoid any color identification questions. The non-standard colors usually were only available for a short time, and sometimes a color might have been "catalog-only" or even limited availability only in the larger stores. And catalog pictures, in fact photos in general, can be notoriously undependable in matters of color accuracy, especially the tan and brown tones.

Good luck!

 

[katev]

Item: Burgundy Slim Satchel 9425
Where purchased or how obtained: Estate Sale
Dimensions: 13" wide x 7" high x 2.5" deep

Comments: Please offer an opinion about authenticity, thank you. The creed says that the bag was made in NYC and it has a TALON zipper. The serial number is in the xxx-xxxx format so I am guessing that it was made in the late 1970s, do you agree? Thanks for all that you do for us!

 

[katev]

Item: Beaumont Speedy Doctor Satchel 9871 (Black Leather & Brass Hardware)
Where purchased or how obtained: Estate Sale
Dimensions: 11.5" wide x 7" tall x 5" deep

Comments: Please offer an opinion about authenticity, thank you. The serial number is a bit difficult to read so I have tried to enhance it by dusting with eyeshadow. It appears to be K8D-9871 (or K8B-9871)? I think that it is a Beaumont Satchel that was made in the US in 1998, do you agree? Thanks again!

 

[D_metria]

Item: Coach Poppy "MINTY" tote
Purchased: Goodwill online
Dimensions: 12in wide, 13in Height, 5 in deep

Please offer your opinion on this bag. I purchased it from Goodwill online and it came with authentication. It appears to be a Coach bag with a valid number.
However, when I tried to find another one like it online, the only other one I could find was being listed for sale on several sites as a numbered limited edition bag. The pictures showed a bag identical to this one with the small tag under the creed label that was printed with "24 0f 25 Limited Edition". This bag has the same tag, but it is blank.
Does this mean it is a fake?