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[katev]

Hello all! I have this Bridle bag with no serial so I’m unsure of it’s name or style number. It looks like the satchel but has a detachable strap as well. This one has 10” handles and measures 10 x 7.5 x 3ish. Any help is greatly appreciated!
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There are some "missing" style numbers in the sequence Coach used for the Bridle Bag line that I've never found any record of, this may be one of them. I've also never seen that kind of removable strap attachment using rings in a Bridle Bag before. All the others with long straps have them either permanently mounted on the sides or attached under the flap.

It's probably genuine but that's all I can tell you, other than don't try to re-sell it or you may have a buyer screaming "fake" when they can't find it anywhere. If anyone has a catalog photo of that style, please post it here.

BTW, are the top handle straps 10 inches end to end? If they are, I can understand why someone might want a long strap too. That seems like it would be a short and maybe even uncomfortable strap drop if someone wanted to carry it from the shoulder.

One other thing - the creed wording is actually the same as the one used for the Madison line from a few years earlier. If this one is genuine and also from the Italy plant it's not surprising that they would have used whatever creed was appropriate, which could mean it might have been a sample or pilot bag.

The Satchel #6707 is close to the measurements, 1999 Preview Catalog . . .
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The satchel is also offered in Holiday ‘98 but the catalog photos are darker. The satchel listing is identical. Nothing else listed comes close to the dimensions.

Ok, in the bright light of day, after some sleep, I see I did not answer the question. The bag I posted does not have the contrast detailing for the material that extends to the straps or used in the side panels, which is really sharp! Those pics are all I got!

ETAaaaaaaa!
Ahhhh daylight. I dismissed this photo from the Holidays ‘98 last night because it was dark. On closer look, check out the handle and side panels,
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Yes, that was the only similar style I found, but the straps look longer in the catalog photos than the ones on Busy Kitty's bag, and the production version doesn't have any attachments for a removable strap. I think Kitty's bag was a pre-production version. Coach wouldn't have had two very similar bags in production at the same time. I'm guessing it's a very early version since the Italy plant didn't have a creed stamp with the Bridle line description available yet so they had to use a Madison creed.

Yes, that’s what the strap measures end to end. Also, I’m forgetting what the Bridle bags had for a lining. This one has the striped black lining. View attachment 5125458

It’s actually like new with all the original paper stuffing inside. The detachable strap has never been taken out of its package. The strange thing is that the inside pocket is missing the zipper pull and the top zipper pull looks like it’s missing something.
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Also, I found this in the bag. PB ll?View attachment 5125622

I love it when someone finds a "mystery bag" that appears to be genuine but doesn't officially exist, probably because it was a pre-production model or sample! It's exciting to think the bag may be unique and you have the only one in existence - or one of only a few. Although I understand why it might be difficult to sell - because nobody is looking for it or they're worried that it's a fake!
@Busykitty I think that your mysterious Bridlle bag is gorgeous and exciting and you were lucky to get it.

My only example of a mystery bag is another Italian-made Coach bag from around the same era. Oh that wild and crazy Italian Coach Plant E - but they sure made some gorgeous bags!

My mystery bag is the Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat. So far I have only seen one other example of this bag and it's in black (although the ebay auction calls it brown but I think it's black). The ebay vendor has it listed at a high price and it's been re-listed a couple of times without selling - probably because nobody's looking for it and/or they think it's fake! See the links below.

It will be interesting to see if another example of your Bridle bag eventually shows up (or not!)

KateV's Gramercy Clutch 7000 Wheat:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-coach-photos-chat.857690/page-1098#post-33774087

Ebay Auction Gramercy Clutch 7000 Black/Brown:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303983191673?hash=item46c6cf6679:g:hJwAAOSwkJRgjxT8

 

[Hyacinth]

Also, I found this in the bag. PB ll?View attachment 5125622

Or it could be PBM, but I still have no idea what it means, or even whether it's English or Italian.

The lining could be a Sonoma leftover. The plant, like any outside the US, had to use what they had available. Most if not all of the production Bridle styles in my files have the Logo lining, which was a fairly recent addition to the Coach lineup.

 

[Busykitty]

I love it when someone finds a "mystery bag" that appears to be genuine but doesn't officially exist, probably because it was a pre-production model or sample! It's exciting to think the bag may be unique and you have the only one in existence - or one of only a few. Although I understand why it might be difficult to sell - because nobody is looking for it or they're worried that it's a fake!
@Busykitty I think that your mysterious Bridlle bag is gorgeous and exciting and you were lucky to get it.

My only example of a mystery bag is another Italian-made Coach bag from around the same era. Oh! That wild and crazy Italian Coach Plant E - but they made some gorgeous bags!

Anyway, it's my Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat. So far I have only seen one other example of this bag and it's in black (although the ebay auction calls it brown but I think it's black). The ebay vendor has it at a high price and it's been re-listed a couple of times without selling - probably because nobody's looking for it and/or they think it's fake! See the links below.

It will be interesting to see if another example of your Bridle bag eventually shows up (or not!)

KateV's Gramercy Clutch 7000 Wheat:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-coach-photos-chat.857690/page-1098#post-33774087

Ebay Auction Gramercy Clutch 7000 Black:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303983191673?hash=item46c6cf6679:g:hJwAAOSwkJRgjxT8

I’m definitely going to add it to my mystery bag collection! I’ll see if I can get these scuffs up. Haven’t worked on one of these. This is only the second bridle in my hands.

 

[katev]

I love it when someone finds a "mystery bag" that appears to be genuine but doesn't officially exist, probably because it was a pre-production model or sample! It's exciting to think the bag may be unique and you have the only one in existence - or one of only a few. Although I understand why it might be difficult to sell - because nobody is looking for it or they're worried that it's a fake!
@Busykitty I think that your mysterious Bridlle bag is gorgeous and exciting and you were lucky to get it.

My only example of a mystery bag is another Italian-made Coach bag from around the same era. Oh that wild and crazy Italian Coach Plant E - but they sure made some gorgeous bags!

My mystery bag is the Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat. So far I have only seen one other example of this bag and it's in black (although the ebay auction calls it brown but I think it's black). The ebay vendor has it listed at a high price and it's been re-listed a couple of times without selling - probably because nobody's looking for it and/or they think it's fake! See the links below.

It will be interesting to see if another example of your Bridle bag eventually shows up (or not!)

KateV's Gramercy Clutch 7000 Wheat:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-coach-photos-chat.857690/page-1098#post-33774087

Ebay Auction Gramercy Clutch 7000 Black/Brown:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303983191673?hash=item46c6cf6679:g:hJwAAOSwkJRgjxT8

I’m definitely going to add it to my mystery bag collection! I’ll see if I can get these scuffs up. Haven’t worked on one of these. This is only the second bridle in my hands.

I found another example of my mysterious Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat for sale on Etsy, so they are out there!

This item is unavailable - Etsy

Find the perfect handmade gift, vintage & on-trend clothes, unique jewelry, and more… lots more.

www.etsy.com

And here's another one that sold on Tradesy. It's missing the strap and the hangtag, and they don't show the creed patch but I think that it is the 7000 clutch.

It's listed as "cristiano" but I don't know what that means?

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[Hyacinth]

I found another example of my mysterious Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat for sale on Etsy, so they are out there!

This item is unavailable - Etsy

Find the perfect handmade gift, vintage & on-trend clothes, unique jewelry, and more… lots more.

www.etsy.com

And here's another one that sold on Tradesy. It's missing the strap and the hangtag, and they don't show the creed patch but I think that it is the 7000 clutch.

It's listed as "cristiano" but I don't know what that means?

Vestiaire Collective: Buy & sell designer second-hand fashion.

3 million items, 12,000+ brands. Luxury pre-loved fashion, up to 70% off. Expert authentication, trusted by millions.

www.tradesy.com

I doubt if that name has any real connection to the clutch. Coach didn't give the Gramercys imaginative names, just descriptive ones like Top Handle, Small Satchel, North-South Satchel, etc. And Cristiano just means Christian, It could be a description of someone's religion or a man's name in Italian. I doubt if a multi-national company like Coach would risk offending a large part of the world's handbag-buying population by naming a style after a specific religion.

We've said it many times, don't ever expect sellers to know the correct names, ages, or history of Coach styles.

 

[katev]

I doubt if that name has any real connection to the clutch. Coach didn't give the Gramercys imaginative names, just descriptive ones like Top Handle, Small Satchel, North-South Satchel, etc. And Cristiano just means Christian, It could be a description of someone's religion or a man's name in Italian. I doubt if a multi-national company like Coach would risk offending a large part of the world's handbag-buying population by naming a style after a specific religion.

We've said it many times, don't ever expect sellers to know the correct names, ages, or history of Coach styles.

Very true, this Carlyle that recently sold on ebay was listed as a Watson bag! I hope that the buyer wasn't actually looking for a Watson!

Vintage Leather Coach Brown Crossbody Purse Watson 9981 | eBay

<body><p>Vintage Leather Coach Brown Crossbody Purse Watson 9981. Condition is "Pre-owned". Condition is gently used and all marks and scuffs are noted in photos. Interior zipper pocket. Outside rear pocket. Shipped with USPS Priority Mail. </p></body>

www.ebay.com

 

[Busykitty]

I love it when someone finds a "mystery bag" that appears to be genuine but doesn't officially exist, probably because it was a pre-production model or sample! It's exciting to think the bag may be unique and you have the only one in existence - or one of only a few. Although I understand why it might be difficult to sell - because nobody is looking for it or they're worried that it's a fake!
@Busykitty I think that your mysterious Bridlle bag is gorgeous and exciting and you were lucky to get it.

My only example of a mystery bag is another Italian-made Coach bag from around the same era. Oh that wild and crazy Italian Coach Plant E - but they sure made some gorgeous bags!

My mystery bag is the Gramercy Clutch 7000 in wheat. So far I have only seen one other example of this bag and it's in black (although the ebay auction calls it brown but I think it's black). The ebay vendor has it listed at a high price and it's been re-listed a couple of times without selling - probably because nobody's looking for it and/or they think it's fake! See the links below.

It will be interesting to see if another example of your Bridle bag eventually shows up (or not!)

KateV's Gramercy Clutch 7000 Wheat:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-coach-photos-chat.857690/page-1098#post-33774087

Ebay Auction Gramercy Clutch 7000 Black/Brown:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303983191673?hash=item46c6cf6679:g:hJwAAOSwkJRgjxT8

On another note, and it probably should go in the rehab thread, but….I was able to get all the scratches to magically disappear on the mystery bag! She looks soooooo good now!!!!!

 

[Amar12]

I am stumped! Is this even a Coach bag? I love the shape and color but can’t find anything identical, vintage or new.

 

[Hyacinth]

On another note, and it probably should go in the rehab thread, but….I was able to get all the scratches to magically disappear on the mystery bag! She looks soooooo good now!!!!!
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Congratulations, it really came out well! And there's no doubt that it was made by Coach's Italy plant, even if it's a sample or pilot bag.

And it actually says "New York" instead of New Vork, like some alleged and obviously fake "Bridle" bags we've seen at other sites. Prime example - does anyone here who's ever seen a genuine Bridle Bag style think that this might be one of them?

Coach Authentication

Hello, I don't believe this bag is a Coach. Can anyone confirm that? Thank you!

community.ebay.com

Please note that the "Coach expert and professional Premier vintage Coach authenticator" responding in the second post and several following posts in that thread who kept insisting just 9 months ago in that Ebay post that it's a genuine Bridle Bag and whose Ebay ID is currently shown as " resaledeals4you " is the Ebay and multiple-sites member formerly known as VINTAGECOACH4LESS along with spelling variations of that name at Posh and other sites.

 

[Hyacinth]

I am stumped! Is this even a Coach bag? I love the shape and color but can’t find anything identical, vintage or new.

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There's no way to authenticate it just from that one photo, but if it's genuine it would be a recent style probably from the last 5 years. The turnlock is definitely NOT vintage. But there's no way anyone should buy it based just on one really bad photo. Maybe someone who's familiar with recent styles can ID it.

Where did you find the photo? Maybe that could help narrow down the search a bit.

 

[Busykitty]

I am stumped! Is this even a Coach bag? I love the shape and color but can’t find anything identical, vintage or new.

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It looks like it could be a Gracie when I zoom in on the picture. Again, it’s hard to tell from this view and from one picture.

 

[Hyacinth]

It looks like it could be a Gracie when I zoom in on the picture. Again, it’s hard to tell from this view and from one picture.

Good point! I forgot about the Gracies. It's hard to see if the proportions are right in that pic especially of the flap, but you could be right. The photo doesn't show the leather texture either, but the size looks right.

Nice catch!

 

[katev]

I am stumped! Is this even a Coach bag? I love the shape and color but can’t find anything identical, vintage or new.

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There's no way to authenticate it just from that one photo, but if it's genuine it would be a recent style probably from the last 5 years. The turnlock is definitely NOT vintage. But there's no way anyone should buy it based just on one really bad photo. Maybe someone who's familiar with recent styles can ID it.

Where did you find the photo? Maybe that could help narrow down the search a bit.

It looks like it could be a Gracie when I zoom in on the picture. Again, it’s hard to tell from this view and from one picture.

Good point! I forgot about the Gracies. It's hard to see if the proportions are right in that pic especially of the flap, but you could be right. The photo doesn't show the leather texture either, but the size looks right.

Nice catch!

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I agree! When I saw the photo the first thing I thought of was of the Italian Madison bags and Gracie. The size, shape, and turnlock look correct and even the shape and stitching on the top handle!

 

[Lake Effect]

Dear authenticators, a request to authenticate please. Thank you!

Item: Coach wallet, clutch?
Where purchased or how obtained: thrift store
Comments: dimensions are 4 1/2" height, 8" width, about 1" depth
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It seems to be good, but I can't tell you what it is or when it was made.

I moved this over here. So anyhow, I was looking at this post yesterday and the little elastic in the middle just made me think of a pen and how Coach churned out so many planner type pieces. So this morning I was looking through a few catalogs for something else, and my eye was caught by the the little elastic in the middle. We were keeping pens with our checkbooks back in the day. The dimensions look right. Do the other dets fit? From Early Fall 1997 . . .

 

[Lake Effect]

I moved this over here. So anyhow, I was looking at this post yesterday and the little elastic in the middle just made me think of a pen and how Coach churned out so many planner type pieces. So this morning I was looking through a few catalogs for something else, and my eye was caught by the the little elastic in the middle. We were keeping pens with our checkbooks back in the day. The dimensions look right. Do the other dets fit? From Early Fall 1997 . . .View attachment 5127772

It's also in the Father's day '95 catalog, on the flash drive. The pic is better, I can see if I can post a pic later today or tomorrow.