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#73,051
Hello Authenticators, please help me take a look, not so sure but the creed looks too crisp, and isn’t United state usually the letter ‘C’? Also the creed number is faded, would make sense for 1996… no so sure why I’m doubting it.
Thank you in advance!

Item: Coach pocket purse 9755
Listing number: N/A
Seller and site where listed: ginaboyle | Poshmark
Link:
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Vintage Coach #9755 Penny Pocket Crossbag British Tan

Shop ginaboyle's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. This bag is in good vintage condition. There are some water marks as shown in the pictures. You really can't see the unless your looking for them. The bag measures 9.5x6
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#73,053
indie927 said:
Hello Authenticators, please help me take a look, not so sure but the creed looks too crisp, and isn’t United state usually the letter ‘C’? Also the creed number is faded, would make sense for 1996… no so sure why I’m doubting it.
Thank you in advance!

Item: Coach pocket purse 9755
Listing number: N/A
Seller and site where listed: ginaboyle | Poshmark
Link:
poshmark.com

Vintage Coach #9755 Penny Pocket Crossbag British Tan

Shop ginaboyle's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. This bag is in good vintage condition. There are some water marks as shown in the pictures. You really can't see the unless your looking for them. The bag measures 9.5x6
poshmark.com poshmark.com
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It's authentic. There are several plant codes for the US, not just C.
 
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lucy7550 said:
Hi, authenticator profs,
This bag is from Goodwill online and I’m suspicious about its authenticity.
- the creed serial number starts with I8B, and I recall that one of you said Coach stopped using I in serial numbers because it is easily mistaken for a 1.
- the dash in the serial number is misplaced. Both this and the above were discussed by Hyacinth on a post from 2014, and the verdict was that the factory made mistakes on the creed serial numbers and the bag was ok.
-However, I can’t tell for sure, but the legs might not be brass yet the rest of the bag’s hardware is brass. In one photo they look gold in color, but in the photo of the bottom they look silver. I’m writing to ask Goodwill to either post another photo showing the legs color, or at least tell me whether they are silver or gold-color metal. But the auction ends in 12 hours and the Goodwill are sometimes not too quick to respond.

The style seems to be right for a Beaumont bag, but with the above…I’d appreciate your input.

Here’s the link:
shopgoodwill.com

Used Vintage Coach Black Leather Purse

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Lucy
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As for the color of the feet - Coach started using brass-PLATED hardware instead of solid brass probably in the late 1980s. If the brass wore off, whatever base metal used underneath it would be exposed. They started making that change about ten years before your bag was made, and gradually ALL the metalwork was replaced by the less-expensive and lighter weight plated metals. I'm not sure if the nickle hardware was ever even solid nickel. And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that very little, if ANY, of the hardware on that bag is solid brass.

You're leaning on "rules" that either were completely changed years, or in some cases, decades ago, or had exceptions that almost everyone keeps ignoring. When I updated the six Salearea Guides in 2018 I mentioned that "i" month code again, as I'm sure I did in the original Salearea Guides that I wrote in 2011 and 2012. The Serial Numbers Guide says:

" The next major change started in 1994. Production codes and the bag’s style number now became part of the serial. The first digit was the month code, always a letter of the alphabet and supposed to include only A through M, although a few mistakes were made and a rare “N” might slip through. (The letter “i” was usually avoided because it was too easy to confuse it with the number 1, but a few slipped through)"

Note my use of the word "usually".

And there are many more exceptions to various "rules" where the exceptions are noted. Please do NOT depend on some anonymous "authenticity guide" you found on the internet, the six Salearea Guides clearly explain why most of them are seriously outdated or were never correct in the first place.

Either use the Salearea Guides for accurate information, or don't use anything, you'd be much safer having to ask instead of depending on something that's not just useless but can actually be dangerous as a source of information. The idiotic "YKK Zipper Rule" mentioned in my Signature in all my posts is a prime example.

SaleArea guides

Now that ebay is removing the guides they've been hosting for years, those who use those guides have been forced to either save them on their computers or print them. Tonight I found that the Salearea guides (including the Hyacinth/Salearea collaboration ones) have been saved to Salearea's...
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indie927 said:
Hello Authenticators, please help me take a look, not so sure but the creed looks too crisp, and isn’t United state usually the letter ‘C’? Also the creed number is faded, would make sense for 1996… no so sure why I’m doubting it.
Thank you in advance!

Item: Coach pocket purse 9755
Listing number: N/A
Seller and site where listed: ginaboyle | Poshmark
Link:
poshmark.com

Vintage Coach #9755 Penny Pocket Crossbag British Tan

Shop ginaboyle's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. This bag is in good vintage condition. There are some water marks as shown in the pictures. You really can't see the unless your looking for them. The bag measures 9.5x6
poshmark.com poshmark.com
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No, the United States is not usually the letter C. There are at least half a dozen plant codes that were used by US plants and sometimes by plants in other countries as well. I'm not even going to list which codes are USUALLY used by which locations because there were too many exceptions and too many changes along the way. Those code lists cause more problems than they solve, especially when they ignore all the exceptions because the people posting the lists don't take the time to do any long-term research. Plant codes can never be used to authenticate a bag but they SOMETIMES can show that a bag might be fake. And there are "ifs" and exceptions to "plant codes" that are simply scrambled digits and the actual plant code is in the wrong place.

This one is a genuine Pocket Purse from 1996. The seller got the name wrong, there's no such style as a Penny Pocket.
 
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indie927 said:
Thank you! And like Hyacinth mentioned there multiple plant codes but for some reason I always see the “C” it’s probably just one of my bias.
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There are plenty of fakes in circulation with C plant codes and "made in the US" creeds too. Here are a few examples JUST from 1994, click on the thumbnails to enlarge:

1994_C plant-J-FAKE-9951-sm.jpg 1994_C-FAKE_H4C-9953-font-a.jpg 1994_C-FAKE_J4C-9942-a.jpg 1994_C-FAKE_K4C-9988-a.jpg1994_C-FAKE_K4C-9988-b.jpg 1994_C-plant-FAKE-J4C-9930-plentyofpurses-a.jpg1994_C-plant-FAKE-J4C-9930-plentyofpurses-b.jpg

and those are just the ones in my files from 1994 where the creed and serial number can be read easily. There are examples from almost every year the C plant was in operation.
 
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