Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[JJK250]

Do you mean like the "1900's Vintage Coach" with the fake and invalid serial number?

1 DAY SALE- 1900's Vintage COACH #9309 Brown Leather Shoulder Bag USA

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. 1900's Vintage COACH #9309 Brown Leather Shoulder Bag USA. Great condition picture does show the wear on the corners

poshmark.com

Can you be just a little more specific?

I posted a comment on seller caecae09 PM page asking her to explain why she sent a bag that was not only different than the one she advertized but was also moldy and clearly not in "excellent" condition as she stated. My purpose was to provide her an opportunity to address the issue. Her response was a sad story of depression and the recent death of her mother and how that was the reason why she made a mistake and didn't notice the mold and smell. I suspect there is some truth to her story and thus I could let it go. However, based on BeenBurned's previous analysis caecae09 didn't just recycle creeds but also sold multiple fake bags. Some of the sold items date back to June of 2021. This does not jive with "my mother just died and that is why I made the mistake". Before I respond to caecae09, I wanted to know if she had sold bags (other than the ones already listed by BeenBurned) that were fake or problematic. I have no interest in tearing someone down or being "mean" as caecae09 alleges. However, she should not lie about the condition of something she is selling, use the wrong information to sell an item, or sell items that she knows to be fake. Caecae09 is either shifty or incompetent. Either way, other buyers should know. This discussion has moved a little away from just authentication, but your opinions are valuable and I haven't a clue where else to move it to.

 

[vintagecoachuk]

Hi authenticators. Please may I have the following bag authenticated.
Item: station bag
Listing number: 154940325352
Seller and site where listed kennetke-16 on eBay
Link:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Comments: I'm attaching full creed because this wasn't on the original advert. Thank you again

 

[Hyacinth]

I posted a comment on seller caecae09 PM page asking her to explain why she sent a bag that was not only different than the one she advertized but was also moldy and clearly not in "excellent" condition as she stated. My purpose was to provide her an opportunity to address the issue. Her response was a sad story of depression and the recent death of her mother and how that was the reason why she made a mistake and didn't notice the mold and smell. I suspect there is some truth to her story and thus I could let it go. However, based on BeenBurned's previous analysis caecae09 didn't just recycle creeds but also sold multiple fake bags. Some of the sold items date back to June of 2021. This does not jive with "my mother just died and that is why I made the mistake". Before I respond to caecae09, I wanted to know if she had sold bags (other than the ones already listed by BeenBurned) that were fake or problematic. I have no interest in tearing someone down or being "mean" as caecae09 alleges. However, she should not lie about the condition of something she is selling, use the wrong information to sell an item, or sell items that she knows to be fake. Caecae09 is either shifty or incompetent. Either way, other buyers should know. This discussion has moved a little away from just authentication, but your opinions are valuable and I haven't a clue where else to move it to.

Of course it's aggravating. But if you speak out publicly or in Posh's Comments, avoid speculating and just state the facts. If you can't prove that she knows something's fake, don't say so. The condition of a bag that is actually moldy without the condition being disclosed should be damning enough.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi authenticators. Please may I have the following bag authenticated.
Item: station bag
Listing number: 154940325352
Seller and site where listed kennetke-16 on eBay
Link:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Comments: I'm attaching full creed because this wasn't on the original advert. Thank you again

It's a genuine Station Bag but as with any highly faked style, we need to actually see the creed and serial number to be 100 percent certain. Sellers really need to make an effort to include them in their photos. This one was made in 1997.

 

[vintagecoachuk]

It's a genuine Station Bag but as with any highly faked style, we need to actually see the creed and serial number to be 100 percent certain. Sellers really need to make an effort to include them in their photos. This one was made in 1997.

Thank you for clarifying. I absolutely agree. I think the seller is a guy and just doesn't understand the importance of the numbers. She's in lovely condition so I'm very pleased. Thank you again.

 

[BeenBurned]

I feel even more strongly than @Hyacinth about both the seller caecae09 and Poshmark. I not only don't recommend the Willis but I don't recommend caecae09.

As Hyacinth pointed out, the creed in the "Willis" listing probably doesn't belong to that bag.

Other listings for different bags have the same creed picture shown in them. (There are 2 listings of each of 2 bags, all with the same creed picture:

1 DAY SALE Vintage Coach black Madison Satchel

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Excellent condition. Has a few white marks that the pictures show. Other than that the bag is beautiful.

poshmark.com

and

1 DAY SALE- Vintage Coach slim duffle sac black shoulder bag $795

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Vintage coach slim duffle sac excellent condition Glovetanned leather Inside zip pocket Zip-top closure, leather lining Outside open pocket Adjustable shoulder straps 12 1/2" (L) x 13"...

poshmark.com

and

Vintage Coach slim duffle sac black shoulder bag $795

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Vintage coach slim duffle sac excellent condition Glovetanned leather Inside zip pocket Zip-top closure, leather lining Outside open pocket Adjustable shoulder straps 12 1/2" (L) x 13"...

poshmark.com

and

Vintage Coach black Madison Satchel

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Excellent condition. Has a few white marks that the pictures show. Other than that the bag is beautiful.

poshmark.com

And she also has other bags that are fake:

2 HOUR SALE Coach Signature Canvas

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Signature Coach Canvas handbag! Very roomy and in great condition!

poshmark.com

1 DAY SALE- 1900's Vintage COACH #9309 Brown Leather Shoulder Bag USA

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. 1900's Vintage COACH #9309 Brown Leather Shoulder Bag USA. Great condition picture does show the wear on the corners

poshmark.com

Seller doesn't have a clue. This bag is described as being made in 1970. Although authentic, it was made in 2001 NOT 1970!

2 HR SALE! Vintage Coach Patricia Saddlebag

Shop caecae09's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Coach Handbag 9951 Patricia Legacy Saddlebag with Wallet & Phone/glass Case. The bag & wallet does have a few ink spots. The flap on the bag covers it so no one else can see but you...

poshmark.com

Don't buy from caecae09.

BeenBurned, did you happen to view any other of this seller's Coach items? Particulary for ones she sold in 2021.

I sure did! I commented on them in this post:

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ETA the following:

I posted a comment on seller caecae09 PM page asking her to explain why she sent a bag that was not only different than the one she advertized but was also moldy and clearly not in "excellent" condition as she stated. My purpose was to provide her an opportunity to address the issue. Her response was a sad story of depression and the recent death of her mother and how that was the reason why she made a mistake and didn't notice the mold and smell. I suspect there is some truth to her story and thus I could let it go. However, based on BeenBurned's previous analysis caecae09 didn't just recycle creeds but also sold multiple fake bags. Some of the sold items date back to June of 2021. This does not jive with "my mother just died and that is why I made the mistake". Before I respond to caecae09, I wanted to know if she had sold bags (other than the ones already listed by BeenBurned) that were fake or problematic. I have no interest in tearing someone down or being "mean" as caecae09 alleges. However, she should not lie about the condition of something she is selling, use the wrong information to sell an item, or sell items that she knows to be fake. Caecae09 is either shifty or incompetent. Either way, other buyers should know. This discussion has moved a little away from just authentication, but your opinions are valuable and I haven't a clue where else to move it to.

Of course it's aggravating. But if you speak out publicly or in Posh's Comments, avoid speculating and just state the facts. If you can't prove that she knows something's fake, don't say so. The condition of a bag that is actually moldy without the condition being disclosed should be damning enough.

Here are my thoughts: In the seller's defense, it's possible she may not have known some of those items were fake. Surprisingly, a lot of sellers just don't realize the extent of the counterfeit industry and how many fakes are out there.

She may have been defensive when confronted with the evidence you submitted and should have been more honest. She definitely should be made aware of how many items she sold were fake and that if she values her reputation and if she has more bags to sell, she will make an effort to verify them.

 

[StefanoDiMera]

Item: Metropolis Flap 9022
Listing number:https://merc.li/dRRuj3Zqb
Seller and site where listed: midcenturygirl1972/Mercari
Link: https://merc.li/dRRuj3Zqb
Comments: Good morning Authenticators! May I please have your opinion as to the authenticity of this bag?

Thank you!

 

[madamesaintvintage]

Sharing what might be my crown jewel in my collection for authentication, if it’s legit and if I ever get it fixed up. Thank you in advance.

Bonnie Cashin Double Kisslock Tote

It measures just over 8” by 6” by 4” without measuring the hardware.

ETA I got this from goodwill a few years ago.

 

[JJK250]

Of course it's aggravating. But if you speak out publicly or in Posh's Comments, avoid speculating and just state the facts. If you can't prove that she knows something's fake, don't say so. The condition of a bag that is actually moldy without the condition being disclosed should be damning enough.

Good point. However, on a recent listing for a duffle sack I asked if it was authentic? Her response was that of course it was, she had just used the wrong creed picture. Apparently it happens frequently for her. She also had a "scooter bag" listed. A buyer asked for a creed picture and she stated it didn't have one as it was made before 1980. If caecae09 simply didn't know the pictures were wrong, or that the items were fake, then one would think she would check her facts and fix her pictures. That has not been the case. Because, as you said previously, Poshmark doesn't care whether the sellers are selling fake goods, then it is up to the buyers to police bad actors is it not? I'm not saying that is me necessarily, nor that this is the case to do it, but caecae09 knew, or should have known, the items she was selling were counterfeit. Under federal law claiming she just didn't know is not a legal defense if she emphatically stated the items were authentic without taking steps to ensure she was correct. I don't know whether FL (where she is located), or the state the buyer is located in, would be the proper jurisdiction under state specific consumer protection laws. PoshMark's liability as a Internet Service Provider is different due to specific case law and that's a whole different kettle of fish. While caecae09 appears to be a small seller (who knows though) and thus may create little "harm", her actions matter. I don't know any sellers so I don't know how "they" feel about this situation but I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say. Perhaps another thread regarding this topic would be good.

 

[JJK250]

I sure did! I commented on them in this post:

Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

IMPORTANT READ-ME Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please. For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread. Please follow the following requests: Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this...

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ETA the following:


Here are my thoughts: In the seller's defense, it's possible she may not have known some of those items were fake. Surprisingly, a lot of sellers just don't realize the extent of the counterfeit industry and how many fakes are out there.

She may have been defensive when confronted with the evidence you submitted and should have been more honest. She definitely should be made aware of how many items she sold were fake and that if she values her reputation and if she has more bags to sell, she will make an effort to verify them.

What do you think about the "Rare Vintage Coach Shelton Bag" she sold in June 2021? Is it authentic? https://poshmark.com/listing/RARE-VINTAGE-COACH-SHELTON-BAG-IN-BROWN-EUC-60c8db5ce107bb5ef3ed6621 Please see my other comment to Hyacinth explaining my thoughts. I responded to her comment before I saw this. Your opinions are most welcome.

 

[vintagecoachuk]

Please could I have this bag authenticated. Thank you so much
Item: bucket
Listing number: 254914356830
Seller and site where listed: findingitforyou on eBay
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CO...=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
Comments: thank you so much

 

[hikergirl85]

I have a question and didn’t know where to post it????

Does anyone have the ad for the Vintage Coach Dover Marlon Tote? (Don’t even know if that's the proper name?)

thanks!

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you for clarifying. I absolutely agree. I think the seller is a guy and just doesn't understand the importance of the numbers. She's in lovely condition so I'm very pleased. Thank you again.

It's always nice to hear that a Coach purchase arrived in good condition. Enjoy your "new" bag!

 

[Hyacinth]

I have a question and didn’t know where to post it????

Does anyone have the ad for the Vintage Coach Dover Marlon Tote? (Don’t even know if that's the proper name?)

thanks!

The only thing I can find is a Dover Bag style 9900 from the 1992 Carriage Classics line which was only available for a few months starting in Spring 1992 but I don't have any way of scanning my paper catalog page. It's similar to a Barclay Tote but smaller and with a soft top opening instead of the dowel-type top the Barclay Tote has.. All I have are a few seller photos and a description - magnetic tab closure, double handles, 12 x 11 1/2 x 5 inches.




There's no such thing as a Marion Tote at least not in pre-China styles. There's a Marion Bag #4236 that's similar to a Binocular Bag but it's from the Sheridan line.


Are either of those what you're looking for?

 

[Hyacinth]

Please could I have this bag authenticated. Thank you so much
Item: bucket
Listing number: 254914356830
Seller and site where listed: findingitforyou on eBay
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CO...=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
Comments: thank you so much

Genuine Legacy Drawstring made in 2001, and yes, that's where the creed is supposed to be stamped.