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  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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JJK250 said:
Good point. However, on a recent listing for a duffle sack I asked if it was authentic? Her response was that of course it was, she had just used the wrong creed picture. Apparently it happens frequently for her. She also had a "scooter bag" listed. A buyer asked for a creed picture and she stated it didn't have one as it was made before 1980. If caecae09 simply didn't know the pictures were wrong, or that the items were fake, then one would think she would check her facts and fix her pictures. That has not been the case. Because, as you said previously, Poshmark doesn't care whether the sellers are selling fake goods, then it is up to the buyers to police bad actors is it not? I'm not saying that is me necessarily, nor that this is the case to do it, but caecae09 knew, or should have known, the items she was selling were counterfeit. Under federal law claiming she just didn't know is not a legal defense if she emphatically stated the items were authentic without taking steps to ensure she was correct. I don't know whether FL (where she is located), or the state the buyer is located in, would be the proper jurisdiction under state specific consumer protection laws. PoshMark's liability as a Internet Service Provider is different due to specific case law and that's a whole different kettle of fish. While caecae09 appears to be a small seller (who knows though) and thus may create little "harm", her actions matter. I don't know any sellers so I don't know how "they" feel about this situation but I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say. Perhaps another thread regarding this topic would be good.
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I like the way you think and agree
 
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DaisyDD said:
I like the way you think and agree
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Consumer Protection Departments aren't responsible for preventing the sale of counterfeits, AFAIK. copyright and trademark violations are against Federal law and even if a state also has anti-counterfeiting laws on the books, I've never heard of a state getting involved.

As for federal law, the copyright holder is the entity that has to initiate legal action since it's their legally protected copyright or trademark that's been violated. Someone who bought a fake bag might have recourse on a local level through their police department, but I doubt if most lawyers would get involved with something like that unless it was a major crime spree rather than an individual seller. The only times I've heard of Coach ever getting involved have been when they've taken action to close down copycat websites that use Coach's trademarks or name. If they've taken action against counterfeits manufacturers (almost impossible since most if not all of them are outside the US, the last examples I recall are their lawsuits against Korean fakes manufacturers back in the 1990s) or distributors I haven't heard any information or details.

At least this is how I'm understanding it from what I've read over the years. If anyone who's actually an attorney who deals with US Anti-counterfeiting laws can correct me, I would like to get correct information.
 
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Hyacinth said:
Consumer Protection Departments aren't responsible for preventing the sale of counterfeits, AFAIK. copyright and trademark violations are against Federal law and even if a state also has anti-counterfeiting laws on the books, I've never heard of a state getting involved.

As for federal law, the copyright holder is the entity that has to initiate legal action since it's their legally protected copyright or trademark that's been violated. Someone who bought a fake bag might have recourse on a local level through their police department, but I doubt if most lawyers would get involved with something like that unless it was a major crime spree rather than an individual seller. The only times I've heard of Coach ever getting involved have been when they've taken action to close down copycat websites that use Coach's trademarks or name. If they've taken action against counterfeits manufacturers (almost impossible since most if not all of them are outside the US, the last examples I recall are their lawsuits against Korean fakes manufacturers back in the 1990s) or distributors I haven't heard any information or details.

At least this is how I'm understanding it from what I've read over the years. If anyone who's actually an attorney who deals with US Anti-counterfeiting laws can correct me, I would like to get correct information.
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This sounds about right. When I worked for Levis, they told us they were responsible for protecting their own copyright so we, as employees, were supposed to let management know whenever we saw a violation. In those days the only threat was companies advertising they were selling Levis when they were really just selling blue jeans made by a different manufacturer. We were told that if they didn't stop, their copyright would become worthless, like the way everyone calls every brand of tissue, kleenex.
 
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Sia’s Botique said:
FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
Item: Coach swinger bag
Listing number: 026-1814
Seller and site where listed rbenerofe on Poshmark
Link: https://posh.mk/AQKfm8y2rpb
comment: please authenticate this bag when you get a chance. Thank you.
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The serial number isn't readable so I'm not comfortable authenticating it. I don't recognise the style either but I'll dig through some catalogs later when I have more time.

What I CAN say with absolute certainty is that it was NOT made in the 1960s, and it certainly was NOT made while Bonnie Cashin was designing for Coach. Anyone buying that based on the seller's description is paying for something that isn't described correctly. The serial number (assuming the seller copied it correctly and the bag is genuine) and Made In line on the creed indicate that it was made between 1988 and 1991 and although it might have been originally designed by Cashin, when this example was made she had been gone for at least 15 years.

It might have been made in 1991 for Coach's 50th Anniversary Retro Collection which would make it a style 9002 Retro Swing Bag but that's as far back as it goes. I have another one in my photo files with a serial number only 5 numbers away from this one so there's a strong chance that it's genuine and made in 1991.
 
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Hyacinth said:
That's not correct either. If you're getting that information about NYC and 1980 from some online source, you getting VERY bad information! Where did you hear this? If it's on some internet site or group, ignore and delete it. There were several "guides" throwing out some totally wrong dates and production information as far back as 15 years ago, but the Salearea Guides posted here and Pinned to the top of every Index page in this Authenticate forum has the correct information.

We've found 1 or 2 Made in NYC creeds apparently dated 1988 and even 1989, but that creed wording had been dropped for almost every Coach bag by the early part of 1988. Coach continued to MAKE bags in NYC but with a different creed wording until at least 1997 and probably as late as early 1998.
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Hi again. I thought I had read the early '80s info on various sites but probably misinterpreted this misleading snippet from this site when I googled. It reads

"1980

Coach bags like this were made in their factory in New York City up until around 1980, when they expanded their factories to elsewhere in the U.S.Oct 19, 2019

Collectors Guide to Vintage Coach Bags - Yourgreatfinds"

the actual info on that site, however, is talking about one particular style of bag, not the bags in general, so isn't inaccurate as far as I can tell. So I misunderstood. I can't tell you how grateful I am to all of you authenticators and this forum. Especially because in general, I'm finding googling ANYTHING to be less and less helpful because it's entirely geared to sell products now more than provide information. thank you so much!! I bought the little navy bag, coudn't resist!
 
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Hyacinth said:
The serial number isn't readable so I'm not comfortable authenticating it. I don't recognise the style either but I'll dig through some catalogs later when I have more time.

What I CAN say with absolute certainty is that it was NOT made in the 1960s, and it certainly was NOT made while Bonnie Cashin was designing for Coach. Anyone buying that based on the seller's description is paying for something that isn't described correctly. The serial number (assuming the seller copied it correctly and the bag is genuine) and Made In line on the creed indicate that it was made between 1988 and 1991 and although it might have been originally designed by Cashin, when this example was made she had been gone for at least 15 years.

It might have been made in 1991 for Coach's 50th Anniversary Retro Collection which would make it a style 9002 Retro Swing Bag but that's as far back as it goes. I have another one in my photo files with a serial number only 5 numbers away from this one so there's a strong chance that it's genuine and made in 1991.
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Thank you Hyacinth.
 
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lilirose3 said:
Hi Authenticators,
Can you please authenticate this bag for me? Thank you.
Item: Coach Sling bag
Listing number: N/A
Seller and site where listed : partime_hero / carousell
Link: https://carousell.app.link/IHgXCD00spb
Comments: Made in Italy. Serial 1751-392
BTW, may I know the name and style of the bag?

Edit : Seller just sent link.

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It's genuine, probably a style 4111 Cafe Bag from the Lightweight line, made in 1992 or 1993.

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