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Various style fakes are showing up with style number 10125. There are various '06 month codes.

Style 10125 is a reversible signature stripe tote.

These are just 2 current fakes with this style number:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Purse-Han...989?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item5641f64cb5

http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Wristlet-Small-Bag-/150546690733?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item230d4832ad

The following is what 10125 is supposed to look like:

The problem is that the 10125 style was widely faked too. Even if a bag with that number looks exactly like the thumbnail in BeenBurned's post there's still a good chance it might be fake. That's one style number to avoid under ANY circumstances unless it can be authenticated by an expert. Trouble is that many of the fakes were really close to the genuine bags :graucho:
 
Well, thank you. Was just coming to ask about Granddaughter's bag. It is UOJ 11447.

She purchased at an Estate Sale and did not pay much though.

Estate sales have to abide by the same laws as any other merchants, and they should have their items authenticated before they sell them. Estate sales are notorious sources for fake bags, everyone seems to think that because it was an "estate", the original owners must have been rich. NOT the case, and anyway lots of rich people knowingly buy fakes, Paris Hilton being one of the most obvious offenders.

Not only is that 3-digit prefix completely bogus and never would have been used by Coach, but any bag with a 5-digit style number should have at least a 4-digit prefix.

When your daughter is done using it, please ask her to destroy the bag.
 
Estate sales have to abide by the same laws as any other merchants, and they should have their items authenticated before they sell them. Estate sales are notorious sources for fake bags, everyone seems to think that because it was an "estate", the original owners must have been rich. NOT the case, and anyway lots of rich people knowingly buy fakes, Paris Hilton being one of the most obvious offenders.

Not only is that 3-digit prefix completely bogus and never would have been used by Coach, but any bag with a 5-digit style number should have at least a 4-digit prefix.

When your daughter is done using it, please ask her to destroy the bag.

Oh, don't worry. It will not change hands. She did not pay much for it. She just purchased it as a black bag.
 
Are there some similarities to the creed numbers so we dont' have to memorize EVERY fake creed number?
Like, does the first set always have 4 numbers or does the last set have 5?..
Something like that would help me a lot!
Thanks
 
Are there some similarities to the creed numbers so we dont' have to memorize EVERY fake creed number?
Like, does the first set always have 4 numbers or does the last set have 5?..
Something like that would help me a lot!
Thanks

No, and the numbers in the first or last set have nothing to do with authenticity except for the examples given in my list.

Just like with everything else about authenticity, there are no simple "rules". You have to keep lists and photos, and you need to study, analyze and compare. Anyone who says otherwise or thinks that some online Guide, even mine, has all the answers, doesn't understand the questions. Becoming skilled at anyything whether it's medicine, tennis or authenticating handbags, involves studying, time, practice, and usually money.
 
was on the Coach website checking an order and noticed something looked different...not sure when this changed or if it has been mentioned but there is now a link for "Counterfeit Education" in the customer service section. they have always had something about counterfeits but they definitely added to it sometime recently.

http://www.coach.com/online/handbag...ach_US/CustomerService/ReportingCounterfeits/

two things I noticed right away:

"• Coach DOES NOT authenticate merchandise or determine whether serial numbers match actual Coach items. If you purchase an item from an authorized Coach retailer, you are guaranteed the item is authentic."

and then also a section below that on legit and not legit websites
 
was on the Coach website checking an order and noticed something looked different...not sure when this changed or if it has been mentioned but there is now a link for "Counterfeit Education" in the customer service section. they have always had something about counterfeits but they definitely added to it sometime recently.

http://www.coach.com/online/handbag...ach_US/CustomerService/ReportingCounterfeits/

two things I noticed right away:

"• Coach DOES NOT authenticate merchandise or determine whether serial numbers match actual Coach items. If you purchase an item from an authorized Coach retailer, you are guaranteed the item is authentic."

and then also a section below that on legit and not legit websites

Good to know, thanks!

It's about time they admitted that phoning a CS rep and asking if Coach made such-and-such a serial number DOESN'T mean the item's genuine.
 
I think I have one of the 1970 bags with the serial number applied with a strip of leather. This bag looks so real but the zipper is by Talon...did Coach ever use other zippers besides Ykk?
Coach Serial Numbers

Serial numbers were introduced in the mid 70s, and every bag had its own unique serial number. These early serial numbers had 3 digits followed by 4 digits (101-9090). This changed to 4 digits followed by 3 digits in the late 80s (1010-909). In 1994 letters were introduced into serial numbers. The middle number in the first set of 3 digits indicates the year of manufacture (A7B-9990) = 1997. The serial numbers were usually hand-stamped and they used a small press with rotating wheels that they could advance to the next number in the series. Often numbers would be a bit uneven and a lot of times you can even see a horizontal spacer line or the edge of the next or previous number in the series.

(There are some early to mid 70's bags that have the Coach Creed and an obviously glued-on serial mark that was added to the bag after it was manufactured. You can see that the serial number was applied to a leather strip and then placed under the Coach Creed in these early purses. Sometimes the strip with the number would come lose or fall off leaving just a strip of bare leather where the number should be.)

The 7-number serials were phased out beginning in 1994, and replaced with an alphanumeric serial which had three digits representing the factory, year and season, and after the hyphen, the four digit code for the bag model. For example K4M-5130 would be a Station Bag (5130), made in 1994 (the number 4, in the first set). The K & M are factory and manufacturing codes. So every single Station Bag made in 1994 in that particular factory could have the identical serial number. And some popular bags were made in more than one factory so the same style number could have different prefixes on different bags.

Coach did NOT add the fourth digit in the serial prefix until it was necessary to prevent year repetition, in 2004.

Thus, the pattern goes like this: J4J = 1994, J5J = 1995, etc... then J0J = 2000, J1J = 2001, J2J = 2002, J3J = 2003, but then they go to four digits J04J = 2004, J05J = 2005, etc... So a bag made in 1996 would have a prefix of x6x-, but one made in 2006 would show x06x-.

In 2005 and 2006 even more codes were added although the year code is still in the same place in the sequence. Bags made just for the Factory Stores will now often have the letter F before the style number. Some bags such as the 2006 Legacy line can have as many as ten digits in the serial number, five on either side of the hyphen. And beginning in 2005 some style numbers began to include letters as well as numbers until Coach decided to expand the style number to five digits.

Thanks to all the posters at Ebay's Shoes And Purses forum and other boards who compiled all this great information!
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