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I am completely new to the world of Coach. Could you confirm a question about serial numbers for me? I have been reading about faked numbers. If I see a number on the faked numbers list, is that number completely fake and does not really exist in the Coach line of products? Or is it a number that shows up on both real Coach products and also on faked items? If it is a number that shows up on both real and fake, then I may post a pic for authenticating a thrift store purchase.
It is a larger leather bag with the number L4C-9941 that did show up on the watch list. Because it is a thrift store find I am safe from an overspend, but came online tonight to find out what Coach was and to see if I could find out more. I had never seen a bag that had a patch with a serial # before and it made me wonder. Now I know there is a whole world of wonderful purses out there!
Hi and welcome to tPF.

Some of the serial numbers on the list are never used by Coach, thus every bag they're on will always be fake. It is bags with these invalid serial numbers that allow us to UN-authenticate a bag based on a serial number.

Other serial numbers are legitimate numbers for certain bags and styles but those serial numbers have also shown up on fakes. It is this reason why we aren't able to authenticate a bag based on a serial number. We need to see the bag and its details in order to determine whether that bag is authentic or not.

For any Coach item which you want authenticated, post on this thread using the posting format described in post #1 of the thread: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-983.html#post18813455
 
Hi and welcome to tPF.

Some of the serial numbers on the list are never used by Coach, thus every bag they're on will always be fake. It is bags with these invalid serial numbers that allow us to UN-authenticate a bag based on a serial number.

Other serial numbers are legitimate numbers for certain bags and styles but those serial numbers have also shown up on fakes. It is this reason why we aren't able to authenticate a bag based on a serial number. We need to see the bag and its details in order to determine whether that bag is authentic or not.

For any Coach item which you want authenticated, post on this thread using the posting format described in post #1 of the thread: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-983.html#post18813455

Thank you. I will get some pics and post!
 
I am completely new to the world of Coach. Could you confirm a question about serial numbers for me? I have been reading about faked numbers. If I see a number on the faked numbers list, is that number completely fake and does not really exist in the Coach line of products? Or is it a number that shows up on both real Coach products and also on faked items? If it is a number that shows up on both real and fake, then I may post a pic for authenticating a thrift store purchase.
It is a larger leather bag with the number L4C-9941 that did show up on the watch list. Because it is a thrift store find I am safe from an overspend, but came online tonight to find out what Coach was and to see if I could find out more. I had never seen a bag that had a patch with a serial # before and it made me wonder. Now I know there is a whole world of wonderful purses out there!

The current list (I update it every six months or so) that's right above your post is arranged by category - Always, Sometimes and Possibly fake. The first section has numbers that are always fake. If you have a bag that's a match for any number, read the heading of the section it belongs to carefully. If you're not sure, it's best to do as BeenBurned suggested and ask at the Authenticate thread.

Keep in mind that a serial number by itself can never prove a bag is genuine, but a known always-fake serial number makes it almost 100 percent sure that the bag is fake.
 
Hi ladies, i just bought a coach top handle pouch from the reseller in my country who claims brought the item back from the US. Inside the bag there is no creed but there is a tag says 'made in china'. When i asked her she said coach small items do not have creed and they are produced in china and by law Coach has to put a label stating made in China because their production is there even though they are a US brand.

Please assist me in this matter. Thanks in advance.
 
Small items such as pouches, small messenger bags, wallets & mini skinnies may or may not have a creed, with or without a number. They may have the made in China label in the seam.

We would need photos to tell you anything. Post them on the other thread.
 
We've had a few questions come up lately about Coach creeds and early plants so here's what I've been able to put together so far. It's still very incomplete so if anyone has more accurate information to add it's always welcome. Bonnie Cashin styles for the most part didn't have creeds so aren't covered here.

Here's an interesting article from the early 2000s that goes into Coach's early production and sales history:
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Coach-Inc-Company-History.html

Early Coach bags - 1970s-era - would usually just have a small "Coach" plaque clamped into the leather or lining. Coach began adding full creed statements sometime in the mid-1970s, with or without serial numbers. All the early Coach bags were made in Coach's New York City plant at 516 West 34th Street and the creed stamps had "Made in New York City U.S.A." at the bottom.

As near as we can tell, Coach started using the "Made In the United States" statement at the bottom of the creed when they added a second US plant some time in the mid to late 1980s. Before that the creeds just used the Made in New York City stamp. A second plant was opened in Miami in 1988 according to the article I posted in the above link so that would be my guess as to when the new Made in the United States creed was created. And of course the early pebbled leather bags like the Italian-, US- and Costa Rican-made Sheridans, Dakotas and Madisons from about 1991 thru the mid-90s had their own unique creeds (often without any serial numbers). Coach also had a plant in Puerto Rico sometime around 1993 but apparently that plant also was considered a U.S.plant since Puerto Rico was never mentioned on any creed. The NYC "A" plant was closed sometime before 1994 and the factory building became Coach's corporate offices.

Early serial numbers from before 1994 were a 7-digit string of numbers only, and each was unique to each bag. Early numbers were in a 3+4 number format up until around 1989 or 1990 when they were changed to a 4+3 arrangement. Because numbers were hand-stamped, sometimes mistakes would be made and instead of a dash between the two halves of the serial number, an extra number might appear instead. The early serial numbers were random and there's NO way to tell an item's style from those serial numbers.

Then beginning in 1994 the entire creed style and format were changed and the country of origin was stated in the body of the creed along with the plant code being added to the new style serial number along with the month and year codes. So bags that have the creeds saying "...It was made in (country)..." should have the 1994-version serial number that begins "Letter Number Letter-4 numbers" (unless they're Sheridans, Dakotas or some Madisons without serial numbers). If a serial number includes a letter of the alphabet as its first digit, it was made in 1994 or later and should include Coach's month, year and plant codes in the first half of the number and the item's style number in the second half. There should ALWAYS be at least 3 digits in the first half of the number.

Coach was also expanding its factory base outside the US and in the 1990s and early 2000s added handbag plants in Puerto Rico, Italy, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Hungary, Turkey, Mexico, China and possibly Thailand. Coach's small accessories were made in even more countries including Spain. (Recently Coach has also begun making bags in Vietnam and India).

Along with expanding their plants, the serial numbers and creeds have expanded as well. Formats, designs, the number of digits in the serial numbers and the wording and styles of the creeds themselves change constantly so extreme care has to be used when trying to authenticate a bag based on the creed - leave creed analysis to the experts.

(Some of this information is from second-hand sources but I'm assuming it's fairly accurate until a more reliable source comes along. The rest of it has just been pieced together over the years by a few Coach junkies studying thousands of different bags. Coach themselves hardly ever make this kind of information public).
 
Hello ladies,
I just wanted to thank you again for sharing ALL this information! I have been surfing around Etsy and from the above noted info, have spotted one bag with one of the fake serial # on it.Yeah me!!!
I sent a message to the seller, but should I post it somewhere here also? Is this info on a different thread somewhere?
 
Hello ladies,
I just wanted to thank you again for sharing ALL this information! I have been surfing around Etsy and from the above noted info, have spotted one bag with one of the fake serial # on it.Yeah me!!!
I sent a message to the seller, but should I post it somewhere here also? Is this info on a different thread somewhere?

Sorry we somehow missed your question!

You can post any suspected fake from any site in the Authenticate This Coach thread, and the posters there will report it. Verified fakes especially REALLY ugly ones can be posted at the Funniest/Worst Fakes Ever, Coach version thread.

When asking for authentication, be sure to use the format in post #1 on page 1 of that thread - it helps us keep an eye on the seller and to watch if the fake is being relisted after it was removed.

Thanks!
 
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