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#482
Just 1 More said:
did Coach ever use a satiny lining w/ lozenge logo on it? Just wondering for general info because I've seen it a few times -- and if you want to see an example, here's some pics -- and check out the bathrobe in pic 4. :laugh:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Authentic-COACH-PATCHWORK-HAND-BAG-/300455479340?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags
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Authentic COACH PATCHWORK HAND BAG
Item: 300455479340
Seller User ID: mysale2ewe
http://cgi.ebay.com/Authentic-COACH-PATCHWORK-HAND-BAG-/300455479340?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags

Coach did/does use lozenge lining in some of its products, but the bag in question from seller mysale2ewe is fake.



In the future, please post your authenticity questions about a specific listing here: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-342.html#post16291148

And please use the format as shown above. It's helpful in future searches for seller IDs and/or items.
 
#483
BeenBurned said:
Authentic COACH PATCHWORK HAND BAG
Item: 300455479340
Seller User ID: mysale2ewe
http://cgi.ebay.com/Authentic-COACH-PATCHWORK-HAND-BAG-/300455479340?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags

Coach did/does use lozenge lining in some of its products, but the bag in question from seller mysale2ewe is fake.



In the future, please post your authenticity questions about a specific listing here: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-342.html#post16291148

And please use the format as shown above. It's helpful in future searches for seller IDs and/or items.
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My apologies, BB - I was just trying to learn more about linings & thought this was where to ask.

Thanks so much for the info.
 
#485
Hi, all-
I purchased a Coach on Ebay that I put in the "authenticate this" forum and got a "probably ok" from BeenBurned and a "most likely fake" from Hyacinth. I sent a note to the seller asking NOT to ship, but instead to cancel the transaction (I'd unfortunately already paid before I go tthe "most likely fake") in the morning. A few hours later, I got a shipping notification. A few hours after that, I got a note saying that the seller guaranteed authenticity and that if I wasn't happy I could return it minus shipping. This timing seems fishy to me.

I'm guessing that the only recourse I have left is to take it to a Coach store and have them tell me whether it is authentic or not? I've never had to go this far before so I'm not really sure what the etiquette of authentication is. Would appreciate some help!

For reference, the bag is a Coach 9219, auction located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180543499937&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

(Also going to put up a general "help" post for those who might own the same bag... I hope that's ok!)
 
#486
Schientist said:
Hi, all-
I purchased a Coach on Ebay that I put in the "authenticate this" forum and got a "probably ok" from BeenBurned and a "most likely fake" from Hyacinth. I sent a note to the seller asking NOT to ship, but instead to cancel the transaction (I'd unfortunately already paid before I go tthe "most likely fake") in the morning. A few hours later, I got a shipping notification. A few hours after that, I got a note saying that the seller guaranteed authenticity and that if I wasn't happy I could return it minus shipping. This timing seems fishy to me.

I'm guessing that the only recourse I have left is to take it to a Coach store and have them tell me whether it is authentic or not? I've never had to go this far before so I'm not really sure what the etiquette of authentication is. Would appreciate some help!

For reference, the bag is a Coach 9219, auction located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180543499937&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

(Also going to put up a general "help" post for those who might own the same bag... I hope that's ok!)
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Please DONT waste your time taking it to a Coach store. Coach store employees have no training in authenticating bags, even the ones from their current inventory. A bag with a 1994 year code would be totally alien to them and I seriously doubt if any records would still be in Coach's computer system showing that that style number didn't even exist until the early 2000s and that any employee would put 2 and 2 together and question how that bag with that 2002 style number could have a 1994 year of manufacture code.

Over and over again we've seen totally wrong "authentications" by Coach employees. They simply don't have the knowledge that the posters here do. They're also NOT allowed to put anything in writing, correct or not, so that won't help you with a Paypal or Ebay claim.

Use the info that I posted in the other thread when you file your Ebay claim and state that the bag was determined to be counterfeit by a verified Coach expert recognised by Ebay's Trust & Safety Department as a former member of their Specialized Handbag Group Reporting Team.

As for a "help" post, the question in the other thread already has that information, and anyone searching for information on that specific style number should be able to find it. Here's a link to my reply:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-347.html#post16310655
 
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#488
About my fake item (since it seems I posted in the wrong thread)..a few questions.

Should I wait for the seller to reply or go ahead and file dispute?

Is it illegal to send the item back to them through the mail if Paypal says to do so since it is out of the country (HK)?

What all do I need to be aware of when doing this? Will my comparison pics work with my dispute?

Thanks!
 
#489
Wait for other opinions but I don't see any problems with the bag in the listing.

The reason your bag has a different creed is because it was made in a different plant and has a different prefix in the serial number.

The concern would be if your "made in China" bag had the identical J4D prefix as this bag because it would mean they were made at the same time and in the same factory as this listing.
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Schientist said:
Hi, all-
I purchased a Coach on Ebay that I put in the "authenticate this" forum and got a "probably ok" from BeenBurned and a "most likely fake" from Hyacinth. I sent a note to the seller asking NOT to ship, but instead to cancel the transaction (I'd unfortunately already paid before I go tthe "most likely fake") in the morning. A few hours later, I got a shipping notification. A few hours after that, I got a note saying that the seller guaranteed authenticity and that if I wasn't happy I could return it minus shipping. This timing seems fishy to me.

I'm guessing that the only recourse I have left is to take it to a Coach store and have them tell me whether it is authentic or not? I've never had to go this far before so I'm not really sure what the etiquette of authentication is. Would appreciate some help!

For reference, the bag is a Coach 9219, auction located here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180543499937&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

(Also going to put up a general "help" post for those who might own the same bag... I hope that's ok!)
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Hyacinth said:
Please DONT waste your time taking it to a Coach store. Coach store employees have no training in authenticating bags, even the ones from their current inventory. A bag with a 1994 year code would be totally alien to them and I seriously doubt if any records would still be in Coach's computer system showing that that style number didn't even exist until the early 2000s and that any employee would put 2 and 2 together and question how that bag with that 2002 style number could have a 1994 year of manufacture code.

Over and over again we've seen totally wrong "authentications" by Coach employees. They simply don't have the knowledge that the posters here do. They're also NOT allowed to put anything in writing, correct or not, so that won't help you with a Paypal or Ebay claim.

Use the info that I posted in the other thread when you file your Ebay claim and state that the bag was determined to be counterfeit by a verified Coach expert recognised by Ebay's Trust & Safety Department as a former member of their Specialized Handbag Group Reporting Team.

As for a "help" post, the question in the other thread already has that information, and anyone searching for information on that specific style number should be able to find it. Here's a link to my reply:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-347.html#post16310655
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Schientist said:
Awesome. I really appreciate it, Hyacinth. I'm so sad that this one turned out to be fake! :cry:
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In this case, trust Hyacinth's call on the authenticity. She's much more familiar with the older leather bags.

I didn't notice obvious red flags and I recommended waiting for other opinions and should have specified that that era isn't my specialty. My comment was intended to explain why the prefixes of the serial number of both bags were different.

In this case, if Hyacinth says the bag is fake, the bag is fake and you should get your refund. I'm sorry to have given conflicting information.

I'm also sorry that the seller shipped the bag after you specifically told her not to. With a fake, if she's honorable, she should be willing to refund any shipping costs you incurred also.
 
#492
#493
Schientist said:
Awesome. I really appreciate it, Hyacinth. I'm so sad that this one turned out to be fake! :cry:
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I'm sorry too. Unfortunately the early Ergos have been faked often, just like other popular classic and vintage bags. :sad:

This is one reason why we always tell posters that just because a style number matches a known style or photos or numbers in Coach's records doesn't prove the item is genuine. The entire serial number has to be exactly right for the style and the known years and plants or there's a good chance the bag is fake. Once in a while we'll see a bag with something off in the number that might be able to be explained by someone at the plant just making a mistake, or as we like to say, "not reading the memo", but 95 percent of the time when the serial number has something wrong, that's a big red flag.

The problem with your situation is that unless someone's familiar with when that style number was made, they'l never realize there's a problem. That's the kind of thing Coach employees (even long-time and very intelligent ones) or even someone with a general knowledge of Coach might not be able to put together. And someone who doesn't know the production history of the Ergos or doesn't have a catalog showing just when that style number was introduced wouldn't see the problem either.

That's one reason why things like online "authenticity guides" are so completely useless. There's so much more to determining authenticity than just looking at a few "Rules" and seeing if the item matches the Rules.

One thing about Coach - there are almost NO Rules - and what few there are almost all have exceptions.

I hope you get your money back. If we can give you any more information to help with your claim, just ask.
 
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#494
Hyacinth said:
I'm sorry too. Unfortunately the early Ergos have been faked often, just like other popular classic and vintage bags. :sad:

This is one reason why we always tell posters that just because a style number matches a known style or photos or numbers in Coach's records doesn't prove the item is genuine. The entire serial number has to be exactly right for the style and the known years and plants or there's a good chance the bag is fake. Once in a while we'll see a bag with something off in the number that might be able to be explained by someone at the plant just making a mistake, or as we like to say, "not reading the memo", but 95 percent of the time when the serial number has something wrong, that's a big red flag.

The problem with your situation is that unless someone's familiar with when that style number was made, they'l never realize there's a problem. That's the kind of thing Coach employees (even long-time and very intelligent ones) or even someone with a general knowledge of Coach might not be able to put together. And someone who doesn't know the production history of the Ergos or doesn't have a catalog showing just when that style number was introduced wouldn't see the problem either.

That's one reason why things like online "authenticity guides" are so completely useless. There's so much more to determining authenticity than just looking at a few "Rules" and seeing if the item matches the Rules.

One thing about Coach - there are almost NO Rules - and what few there are almost all have exceptions.

I hope you get your money back. If we can give you any more information to help with your claim, just ask.
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Thank you again for the help and the offer of more help! I spoke with the Ebay "help" people and they said it seemed very clear cut for filing a case. The seller has not answered my request for information about exactly how she "guarantees" authenticity, so I'm thinking that either the seller didn't know it was fake (and still believes it's authentic) or isn't being honest.

Berry- thanks for your help too! I appreciate your time!
 
#495
Hey all-
Just wanted to follow up on the 9219. It arrived, and it was AWFUL. So incredibly fake, I wouldn't have even needed to have posted here. :shame: The stitching was completely terrible, the color was all wrong, the leather felt like plastic, and the inside creed wasn't right. I emailed the seller to say as much, and they emailed back that they'd just refund the entire purchase and cancel the transaction, and for me to not resell if it was indeed fake. (Duh.)

So, got the money back, trashed the fake-o, and moving on. Thanks again for all your help!
 
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