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I agree the brass hardware was replaced and the leather wrapping was done by a cobbler. It appears they aren't finished the way Coach would have done it, turned under into the fold, like in this picture.

I guess we all agree then, but the wrapping was done the right way, the pictures showed just by chance one side of the straps, but this is the way they look on the other.

Whoever did the replacement did a good job.

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I have a quick question, though not really an authenticity request because I know the bag is genuine.

This is interesting and I don't think it's ever come up before!

Although the bag referenced in the old post above was a definitely fake BIN or B1N bag, I'm wondering whether we've commented that there WAS an N plant in China in 2006.

The only bags I've found with this Chinese plant are style 10075 and all were made in very few months during the first 1/2 of 2006.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Blac4...946658?hash=item4d44837122:g:9lAAAOSwQTVWCfoo

I will recopy to the " answers to AUTHENTICITY questions!!!" thread once this is confirmed as accurate.

ETA: I wasn't able to find the bag on the wayback machine but found this stock picture:
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I have a couple of 1994 creeds with a "N" factory code in the US that I believe are authentic. See below. The creeds are similar to creeds from the B plant so it could be an error.

I also have examples of N being used for China in 2005 and 2006 for #4680: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Jacqu...976995?hash=item28192b8f63:g:JcUAAOSwT6pVoU7r

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Cross...939436?hash=item2ef02c6eec:g:vJcAAOSwKfVXG~Zr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-4680-...971337?hash=item3d1c30e489:g:-UwAAOSwgApXAX8z

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Jacqu...406885?hash=item280bd826a5:g:Sx0AAOSwA4dWHXsQ

in 2005 for style #6094:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-6094-...606561?hash=item488e36e121:g:OCkAAOSw7ehXQziM
 

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The following are authentic other styles of bags found by Whateve, also with N codes, two from a US plant and the rest from China.
 

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There have been a rash of fake classic teardrop keychains listed in the last week on ebay by many different sellers, including 2014.some, jakie222, *fine_repeats, and hilltophearth.
Some show a plastic bag covered with lozenge logos that I've never seen before. The logos on the fake keychains are too big for the item, extending nearly to the edges. The stitching is sloppy and further from the edges than on an authentic keychain. And the logos are wrong, tending to have too many frames. Here are some examples. The first two photos, provided by Beenburned, show the authentic keychain on the right. hilltophearth fake teardrop vs authentic 7210 1.png hilltophearth fake teardrop vs authentic 7210 2.png fake teardrop keychain.jpg fake teardrop keychain with plastic bag.jpg
 
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Although I haven't seen it often, I want to point out that even something as inexpensive as mini skinny coin purses have been faked. (I think this is only the second time I've seen it!)

And actually, the fakes are pretty close, difficult to discover as such without a keen eye to detail.

There's a current listing. (I shall post comps too in case the listing is removed.)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Black...208288?hash=item41b24c22a0:g:i38AAOSw6n5XscW7

With the side by side comparisons, the differences are easier to catch.
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My post is in two parts, one part of what I think is an example of what some have referred to as "samples" and the other post a warning about some scary close fakes of the same style.

PART 1:
I found a bag today while shopping at Savers. The bag has the style number of 9999. I have no doubt the bag is authentic but as we've commented in the past about so-called "samples," there's no way to prove authenticity and as such, we don't recommend buying them for resale.


The bag I found is on the right in the following pictures. The images on the left are authentic versions of style 7053, signature stripe hobo from 2004.

My reasons for believing this bag to be authentic are that the patterns, details (hardware, strap, font, creed) match perfectly as compared to an authentic version. (Part 2 of my posts will compare close --- scary --- fakes.)7053 with 9999 style number front  7053 signature  stripe small hobo.png


Notice that the creeds match (font, text, spacing, pressure, etc.) each other:
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PART 2:
This part is regarding fakes of style 7053 and a warning to beware because some of the fakes are very close.

First image is a comparison of 2 creeds with the same serial number. Note the differences in the font, spacing, puffiness in the stamping on the fake: 7053 authentic creed vs. fake 7053 creed.png

Compare the listings from which the above pictures were taken.
1. authentic: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Hobo-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
2. fake 1derpup - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Purse-F04Q-7053-/172341104390?hash=item2820548f06:g:wnUAAOSwtnpXqQCK

The following shows side by side comparisons of authentic vs. fake of the style. (The bags aren't currently listed for the following comps. These are pictures I saved from 2014:
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If anyone is considering a Hamptons leather demi, style 7785 or another similar style, 7589, be sure to have it authenticated prior to purchase.

I've come across quite a few very close fakes. These bags were made from 2000 through approximately 2004 and were never made in the United States. The differences between the fakes and genuine backs are very difficult to spot.
 
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B7B-4157 - has been found in several fakes and confirmed by Daria48. The serial number font doesn't match the one used in genuine bags made in that "B" plant in 1997, and style number 4157 belongs to a completely different style than the ones being copied by the fakes. The real 4157 is a Soho Buckle Bag, about 10x10 inches with 2 long-ish handles mounted on the front and back panels, one buckle at the front and one at the back, picture below.

Any bag with this serial number needs to be authenticated here at tPF.
 

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Noticed the different creed wording on this twill shoulder pouch and wondering if it's standard for twill bags? I'm ignoring the Cashin mention [emoji846]
I'm not buying, just trying to learn, so up for grabs (not my listing).

https://www.etsy.com/listing/240733834/vintage-bonnie-cashin-leather-and-canvas
https://www.etsy.com

You couldn't expect it to say just "glove tanned cowhide". While they sometimes changed the wording, they almost always wrote the creed to accurately describe the bag's materials. So yes, it's standard for that style bag during that time period, NOT for any and all twill bags ever made.
 
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