Who Else Is Upset With All The Flaws Happening With New Bbags???

[Bizaar]

Well, a quick fix would be for everyone to start purchasing the bags solely from retailers based in the EU where consumers are protected by law in events like these.

If a product shows an original flaw within TWO YEARS from the date of purchase the consumer is entitled to have the product repaired at the retailers expense within a 'reasonable' timeframe. If the product can't be repaired you will be entitled to choose between replacement with an identical product or a full refund.

I’m sure that if the european retailers start getting a large number of QC complaints, Balenciaga would start paying attention…!

Just a thought.

Seriously girls, according to this thread: http://forum.purseblog.com/balenciaga-shopping/help-me-find-jaune-violet-day-twiggy-rh-176159.html even with the costums charges the price should work out about the same if you order from France to the US - AND you get to enjoy protection by law instead of having to rely on the retailer's whim if the bag is not up to standard.

BalParis get ready by the phones!

 

[bohomamma]

actually, I have just noticed 2 small black dots on my 2007 jaune work bag.....looks like a ink dot.....
this is a very interesting read.....
thanks gals!!!!

Me tooo! I have a jaune twiggy and a jaune day rh, both have small black/drk brown dots, one or two. I noticed the one on e*ay also has one dot too, or the seller said. I thought it was just mine that had this. Its not that bad but why cant they get things right for the amount of money they cost? For $1000 I do expect perfection, and I am usually very easy going but $1000 is $1000 no matter how you look at it and their bags just about start at the $1K area, so for that amount, they should not have these problems.

I am sorry other people have this problem but I do feel better its not just me, I thought I just got a bad apple.

 

[lordguinny]

No one is being nasty. Merely appropriately indignated, I believe.

I never indicated that anyone was currently being nasty. I am saying threads like these, where fustrations are expressed and ultimately directed to the manufactor, end up being full of derision and end up getting nasty. My post was a preventive reminder that the mods will not hesistate to close threads that go down the path of showing collective actions against a store, designer or brand.

My hope is that this thread does not go down that path.

 

[RealDealCollection]

I really don't think the black dots are a new thing or a defect, I believe they are goat freckles or beauty marks and I've seen them on bags from almost every year. My fabulous '05 Turquoise First had at least one on the handle.

I do however, believe the black or brown dot beauty marks are becoming more common and it's probably due to the fact that thousands and thousands more goat skins are needed to make as many bags as they are producing now. Plus, some dark colors will just cover up these natural markings and we won't know they are there in the first place.

The leather has also always had color variations between dye batches and individual skin's absorption level as well as texture variations between the panels of leather, but it is the crafts person's responsibility for matching the pieces together in a way that looks good on the bag, not just throw a light colored handle onto and darker color bag.

These bags are made with natural materials that may have imperfections that were characteristic of the animal used. I have personally inspected hundreds of Balenciaga bags and each one is truly unique. Balenciaga bag leather is tanned to break-in quickly and look vintage with color changes from use and time that gives the bag it's own unique character.

I'm not trying to say there aren't legitimate problems with some of the bags, but if we all look close enough at all our bags we're likely going to find things that aren't perfect about them but they are just the natural features. I've learned to love the things that give a bag it's personality.

 

[lordguinny]

^^^ Excellent observation, RealDeal. I have posted the same thing in other forums regarding designer bags that also appear to have defects. Chloe locks chip, LV bag leather shows "patina", YSL Muses experience threading coming loose and easy scuff marks, etc. Even with these flaws I still love all of my bbags (and YSL, LV, etc).

 

[hmwe46]

Well said

The color fading doesn't really bug, nor does the oxidizing: I believe it's a natural function of a 'naked' bag and that is exactly why I love Balenciagas, because they are naked and untreated. Fading, color changing, and all.

The things that bug me are shoddy workmanship: stiches not completed, mismatched corners, bag trim that doesn't match the bag.

I really don't think the black dots are a new thing or a defect, I believe they are goat freckles or beauty marks and I've seen them on bags from almost every year. My fabulous '05 Turquoise First had at least one on the handle.

I do however, believe the black or brown dot beauty marks are becoming more common and it's probably due to the fact that thousands and thousands more goat skins are needed to make as many bags as they are producing now. Plus, some dark colors will just cover up these natural markings and we won't know they are there in the first place.

The leather has also always had color variations between dye batches and individual skin's absorption level as well as texture variations between the panels of leather, but it is the crafts person's responsibility for matching the pieces together in a way that looks good on the bag, not just throw a light colored handle onto and darker color bag.

These bags are made with natural materials that may have imperfections that were characteristic of the animal used. I have personally inspected hundreds of Balenciaga bags and each one is truly unique. Balenciaga bag leather is tanned to break-in quickly and look vintage with color changes from use and time that gives the bag it's own unique character.

I'm not trying to say there aren't legitimate problems with some of the bags, but if we all look close enough at all our bags we're likely going to find things that aren't perfect about them but they are just the natural features. I've learned to love the things that give a bag it's personality.

 

[bohomamma]

Real Deal-thanks for clarifying that, I knew they werent pen marks or something, but I did plainly see them without looking, I thought I had already damaged the bag until I realized I hadnt done a thing, thats the way it came. I just think that they arent as durable as they were. My first bbah a First in 2002 seems like it will outlast the newer ones, they were made better, now as you said, they have higher production quotas etc. I remember in the start of 2002 when other than Barneys NYC, no one in the USA had them until later in the year. Only a handful of stores in Europe, literally a handful. So I can see how higher production quotas have influenced their quality. I just feel for that much money, its ok about the natural distinctions or variations thats what makes it beautiful, but it shouldnt fall apart! The whipstitching on my 2002 First which I used and abused for a few years, is perfectly in tact, a day bag I bought last december which I have used a few times, the whipstitching is showing threads all over. I guess I cant complain that much, bought a Gucci baseball hat on sale at the Gucci shop as a prank for my sister, the Gucci metal label was upside down....the SA didnt even say sorry when I brought it back, just rolled her eyes and gave me a refund.

I guess if we want perfect quality we better start saving up for Hermes? Just joking!

 

[menopausalmama]

I really don't think the black dots are a new thing or a defect, I believe they are goat freckles or beauty marks and I've seen them on bags from almost every year. My fabulous '05 Turquoise First had at least one on the handle.

I do however, believe the black or brown dot beauty marks are becoming more common and it's probably due to the fact that thousands and thousands more goat skins are needed to make as many bags as they are producing now. Plus, some dark colors will just cover up these natural markings and we won't know they are there in the first place.

The leather has also always had color variations between dye batches and individual skin's absorption level as well as texture variations between the panels of leather, but it is the crafts person's responsibility for matching the pieces together in a way that looks good on the bag, not just throw a light colored handle onto and darker color bag.

These bags are made with natural materials that may have imperfections that were characteristic of the animal used. I have personally inspected hundreds of Balenciaga bags and each one is truly unique. Balenciaga bag leather is tanned to break-in quickly and look vintage with color changes from use and time that gives the bag it's own unique character.

I'm not trying to say there aren't legitimate problems with some of the bags, but if we all look close enough at all our bags we're likely going to find things that aren't perfect about them but they are just the natural features. I've learned to love the things that give a bag it's personality.

dam.....now I feel sorry for the poor goat.....and you are totally right!!!!!
Good attitude to have......a voice of reason......

 

[bohomamma]

I know, poor goat, that got me too!

 

[Bizaar]

I agree that some of the 'flaws' described in different threads in this forum are merely natural and unavoidable (to an extent even desirable) variations of leather products.

However, there is no doubt in my mind that many of the QC issues are legitimate. One of the handles of one of my own bags (a First) - which is less than a year old - is coming completely apart.

Not acceptable for a $ 1000 bag.

Lordguinny: Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm a little surprised by your statement: "... that the mods will not hesistate to close threads that go down the path of showing collective actions against a store, designer or brand."

As I have understood, this is a forum where bag lovers – and consumers – can exchange ideas, viewpoints, regrets etc.

If a group of likeminded aficionados have legitimate concerns about the quality of the products, why would tPF-mods object to members arranging to collectively voice those concerns towards the manufacturer in their own names?

In many countries consumer associations – most of which have started out as grass roots – have a great deal of influence, resulting in legislation that aims to protect consumers from being taken advantage of by less than conscientious traders and manufactures.

… Much in the way we organise and collectively report fakes on e**ay, actually… (From the ‘Authenticate this’ thread)

Again, please don’t take offence over my question – I’m genuinely interested to know everyone’s thoughts on the matter.

 

[Swanky]

Lordguinny: Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm a little surprised by your statement: "... that the mods will not hesistate to close threads that go down the path of showing collective actions against a store, designer or brand."

As I have understood, this is a forum where bag lovers – and consumers – can exchange ideas, viewpoints, regrets etc.

If a group of likeminded aficionados have legitimate concerns about the quality of the products, why would tPF-mods object to members arranging to collectively voice those concerns towards the manufacturer in their own names?

… Much in the way we organise and collectively report fakes on e**ay, actually… (From the ‘Authenticate this’ thread)

Again, please don’t take offence over my question – I’m genuinely interested to know everyone’s thoughts on the matter.

it's actually Vlad and Megs rule and there's VERY good reason/history to warrant this as well.

tPF is Vlad and Megs, no one should use their website name.
Go ahead and complain, no one is trying to stop that, just do not attempt to involve tPF

In many countries consumer associations – most of which have started out as grass roots – have a great deal of influence, resulting in legislation that aims to protect consumers from being taken advantage of by less than conscientious traders and manufactures.

this is not why tPF started and at the request of the owners, they DO NOT want to be in any way involved.

It's as simple as that
Anyone who dislikes Vlad or Megs rule is welcome to PM them


:back2topic:

 

[Bizaar]

Hmmm, we seem to be talking past each other...!

My point was that your warning seemed to be prompted by some members discussing contacting Balenciaga in their own names (which is why I wrote:"...members arranging to collectively voice those concerns towards the manufacturer in their own names?).

I am well aware of (and respect and understand) the tPF policies and I think you and I have simply been misunderstanding each others points.

Back to the main issue everyone!

 

[Swanky]

nope, see my reply here:

Obviously I'm not talking about people doing it independently, I'm talking about people doing it as a group and using the term the Purse Forum in it.
We don't allow people using us as leverage, that's all.

Your comment of "we should write one big letter of complaint . . ." implies something different than you alone

My point was that your warning seemed to be prompted by some members discussing contacting Balenciaga in their own names

no, my warning was in regard to someone commenting about
tPF as a group.
Anyhow, I think it's clear what is permitted and what isn't at this point

 

[kittenslingerie]

nope, see my reply here:





no, my warning was in regard to someone commenting about
tPF as a group.
Anyhow, I think it's clear what is permitted and what isn't at this point

Everyone is going to get mad at me for this, Swanky, but i think you should close the thread. Its on a bad path IMO.

 

[fiatflux]

There are at least 3 mods watching & posting on this thread, so I trust that one of them will close it if/when they deem it necessary.

I dislike over-moderation and hope that the warnings are enough to keep the conversation on track.