WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

[acrowcounted]

I think the answer lies in a third party broker that's does more than just transfer money. Paypal should either purely transfer money and stay out of disputes or be a third party escrow type place that the sellers ship to and then, after confirming that the item is what was listed and adds an inspection security sticker, ships the item on to the buyer. This way the only claims possible would be for lost in the mail, in which case the shipper would be covered via postal insurance. It should really be that easy. I think there is a need for this in the market and the right venture capitalist could get rich quick...

 

[acrowcounted]

Im going to take a bit of offense to this, while I do understand why your saying what you did... I am Canadian, I purchase CL's and other high end items all the time on ebay, I would have to consider myself to be a really good buyer to deal with, never filed a case yet! I do realize that the international scamming does show up a bit more we have 25 million people in Canada and most of us aren't that bad.....

It has nothing to do with where you are from. If I lived in Canada I would have said the same thing. Only ship domestically, which in that case would mean only ship to lovely Canadian buyers like yourself. Sellers lose alot of criminal and civil protections/ammunition when they leave a jurisdiction. That was my only point.

 

[skislope15]

It has nothing to do with where you are from. If I lived in Canada I would have said the same thing. Only ship domestically, which in that case would mean only ship to lovely Canadian buyers like yourself. Sellers lose alot of criminal and civil protections/ammunition when they leave a jurisdiction. That was my only point.

that's why I said I understand why you said it, in reading these threads I think that sellers are having a hard time going after there buyers whether there domestic or abroad, paypal and ebay are just making this harder....

 

[Love Of My Life]

Im going to take a bit of offense to this, while I do understand why your saying what you did... I am Canadian, I purchase CL's and other high end items all the time on ebay, I would have to consider myself to be a really good buyer to deal with, never filed a case yet! I do realize that the international scamming does show up a bit more we have 25 million people in Canada and most of us aren't that bad.....

for every honest and hardworking seller and for every honest buyer

out there, there is always someone who is looking to take advantage

of a situation.. internationally or domestically...and scammers are

all over the world... yes, there are many honest people in

Canada and this person who did this didn't obviously tarnish

the reputation of a country, just people are concerned about perhaps

insuring that something like this doesn't happen to them....and

also re-evaluating PP's position when a buyer says that an item

is fake....

 

[skislope15]

PP is useless as far as deeming things fake. As someone else just pointed out they should just be used as a broker and not get involved in the transactions.

for every honest and hardworking seller and for every honest buyer

out there, there is always someone who is looking to take advantage

of a situation.. internationally or domestically...and scammers are

all over the world... yes, there are many honest people in

Canada and this person who did this didn't obviously tarnish

the reputation of a country, just people are concerned about perhaps

insuring that something like this doesn't happen to them....and

also re-evaluating PP's position when a buyer says that an item

is fake....

 

[Black Elite]

I totally agree with you hotshot. I just hate how scammers like this are making it more difficult for honest, overseas buyers to buy an item that may not have been available to them otherwise. After stories like this, sellers with justifiably restrict their sales to their own country, eliminating the many honest buyers overseas.

I'm a little bit of an idealist, though. I think that for every evil scammer in another country, there are at least 100-500 honest, good ones. Hopefully this naivety won't come back to screw me later!!

as a seller, the seller has to determine if the agony is worth
the ecstacy of shipping a high priced item internationally..
the risk is just too great... an item like a Birkin or a Chanel
very easily could sell in the states for a good price.. PP needs
to re-evaluate their policies and their should be an independent
company to review a situation that just occurred with Krisitie..
PP really ignored all her documentation....what's that all about???
PP really just can't take the word of a buyer for this amount of
money.... PP just didn't do it right...and they make enough profit
to have a company authenticate merchandise...

 

[Love Of My Life]

PP is useless as far as deeming things fake. As someone else just pointed out they should just be used as a broker and not get involved in the transactions.

If you have read this thread from the beginning, I have always felt

that PP needs to re-evaluate their policies as to how they

determine what constitutes a fake".. this scammer knew exactly

how to work it.. she got an affadavit we don't even know if the

affadavit was authentic.. PP needs to have an independent

third party step into specific situations like this...that is all that I

am saying...PP just can't take the word of a "buyer"... they

have to look at both sides of evidence that is presented.. in this

case they just looked at what the buyer provided and made their

decision on that info.. it was wrong very wrong...

 

[skislope15]

ITA!!! It seems that they are making these decisions alot lately. Jenay's thread is the same thing, she provided the bill showing that they were authenic (screenshot) and they still took the buyers word that they went into a CL shop and had them authenticated

 

[lorihmatthews]

kristie, I'm just jumping in again after reading your great update. I'm very happy for you and I hope that all continues to be well!

 

[ChildOfTheMoon]

I think the most this will cause to happen is that PP will just make sure that merchandise is returned to the seller rather than destroyed by the buyer. And when I say merchandise, I mean whatever the buyer has lying around the house to send back as PP will only consider the tracking information as evidence of return.

Because at the end of the day, PP still has much more to lose through chargebacks and it is because of these chargebacks that PP finds in favor of the buyer.

I wonder if their investigation is really a matter of finding out if the item was paid via credit card or bank transfer. And if it was paid via bank transfer, then they are more apt to actually review the evidence since they don't fear a chargeback?

So do you think that if enough people end up doing what the op did, paypal will go back to being strictly there for the transfer of money from buyer to seller. Because if the buyer does a chargeback and then the seller does one, paypal will have no money.

 

[thepoppet]

Well, it'll take a long time to get to that point. Most people don't think to do what OP has done and probably won't for a long time. So how PP will change its policies is anyone's guess at this moment.

 

[saira1214]

Well, it'll take a long time to get to that point. Most people don't think to do what OP has done and probably won't for a long time. So how PP will change its policies is anyone's guess at this moment.

So do you think that if enough people end up doing what the op did, paypal will go back to being strictly there for the transfer of money from buyer to seller. Because if the buyer does a chargeback and then the seller does one, paypal will have no money.

It's very hard to do what OP did so that is the detterent. It's the fact that her bag was destroyed that allowed her the chargeback. In many instances, the bag is sent back to the seller.

If you have read this thread from the beginning, I have always felt

that PP needs to re-evaluate their policies as to how they

determine what constitutes a fake".. this scammer knew exactly

how to work it.. she got an affadavit we don't even know if the

affadavit was authentic.. PP needs to have an independent

third party step into specific situations like this...that is all that I

am saying...PP just can't take the word of a "buyer"... they

have to look at both sides of evidence that is presented.. in this

case they just looked at what the buyer provided and made their

decision on that info.. it was wrong very wrong...

From what I remember the affidavit was his/hers. So in fact, it is real if he/she signed it and had it notarized. That is the only way PP can cover themselves is by having someone sign an affidavit saying that they destroyed the bag. In this case, she didn't destroy the bag, but legally, PP has no basis to believe otherwise.

 

[ChildOfTheMoon]

I thought chase was able to do the chargeback because paypal was unauthorized to take the money out of her account.. I don't know , could be completely wrong

 

[SWlife]

I couldn't be more pleased for you OP!

 

[saira1214]

I thought chase was able to do the chargeback because paypal was unauthorized to take the money out of her account.. I don't know , could be completely wrong

From what I remember that is not the case because she authorized the transaction by transferring the money from her Chase account to the PP acct to bring it out of the red. She did authorize the transaction, that's why ACH debits are harder to challenge. The fact that you didn't receive your merchandise when you do an ACH debit allows for the chargeback. In this case, she never received her bag back.