WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

[thepoppet]

I think the most this will cause to happen is that PP will just make sure that merchandise is returned to the seller rather than destroyed by the buyer. And when I say merchandise, I mean whatever the buyer has lying around the house to send back as PP will only consider the tracking information as evidence of return.

Because at the end of the day, PP still has much more to lose through chargebacks and it is because of these chargebacks that PP finds in favor of the buyer.

I wonder if their investigation is really a matter of finding out if the item was paid via credit card or bank transfer. And if it was paid via bank transfer, then they are more apt to actually review the evidence since they don't fear a chargeback?

 

[SohoChic]

I have been following this post and as an avid eBay seller this scares the crap out of me.

I have made the shift to Bonanza but have only sold one item there. I still sell on eBay and even ship internationally. This thread make me want to stop using PayPal. But buyers will only want to use PayPal. What is a seller to do ? I am a Chase customer as well so at least I feel more protected.

 

[saira1214]

I think the most this will cause to happen is that PP will just make sure that merchandise is returned to the seller rather than destroyed by the buyer. And when I say merchandise, I mean whatever the buyer has lying around the house to send back as PP will only consider the tracking information as evidence of return.

Because at the end of the day, PP still has much more to lose through chargebacks and it is because of these chargebacks that PP finds in favor of the buyer.

I wonder if their investigation is really a matter of finding out if the item was paid via credit card or bank transfer. And if it was paid via bank transfer, then they are more apt to actually review the evidence since they don't fear a chargeback?[/QUOTE]

I agree that the method of payment is probably more heavily weighted than any evidence. When I filed a SNAD, they kept telling me that they didn't need any pictures. I was the WTH? Wouldn't that be important evidence regarding a SNAD?

Anyway, it is much harder to reverse a bank transfer vs. a credit card charge. That's why the news regarding Chase's decision to reverse the charge is so great!

 

[AmbassadorBri]

I have concluded three things reading this:

1. I will take those Chase Banking offers more seriously from now on. Wow. What great CS!
2. I am going to probably stop using PayPal. I have to figure out how to swing this on the market. What a mess.
3. You can never be too careful.

 

[Cocolo]

I know!! I'm truly excited that OP got her money here, but the problem is that her scammer knows nothing of it and therefore won't learn anything from this ordeal. The scammer got away with his/her scam and PayPal let it all go down smoothly for that person.

I feel the same way. But I can only hope that what goes around comes around, and karma takes a nice big fat juicy bite out of the scamming buyers butt!

Through all this, have we ever learned this scammers ebay/bonz id? I know the transaction went off ebay, but wasn't there some initial contact while it was listed? There are just too many pages to go back and look for this info.

But I am thrilled Kristie is getting her money back. Good Guys 1 - Paypal 0

 

[yuurei]

I've been following this thread and I'm so happy with the outcome for the OP
Just wondering if Chase is the only bank that has this outstanding fraud protection and is it only for business accounts? I gotta re-read TDbank's policies, I might just switch to Chase after reading this.

 

[Love Of My Life]

^probably other banks have fraud protection services... know that Citibank does

and know that certain cc have it as well...but don't about Bank of America and others...

 

[jenayb]

I have concluded three things reading this:

1. I will take those Chase Banking offers more seriously from now on. Wow. What great CS!
2. I am going to probably stop using PayPal. I have to figure out how to swing this on the market. What a mess.
3. You can never be too careful.

1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree

 

[Black Elite]

I feel the same way. But I can only hope that what goes around comes around, and karma takes a nice big fat juicy bite out of the scamming buyers butt!

Through all this, have we ever learned this scammers ebay/bonz id? I know the transaction went off ebay, but wasn't there some initial contact while it was listed? There are just too many pages to go back and look for this info.

But I am thrilled Kristie is getting her money back. Good Guys 1 - Paypal 0

Good Guys, 1
PayPal, 0
Bad Guys (scammers), 1

But no, I don't believe Kristie ever posted the scammer's ID. I think she wants to wait until everything is completely over and she knows it's absolutely safe to post it. Perhaps after the 45-day waiting period, we will find out.

I think if anyone has a buyer from Canada whom you suspect, perhaps PM'ing Kristie for now would be your best bet.

 

[acrowcounted]

Good Guys, 1
PayPal, 0
Bad Guys (scammers), 1

But no, I don't believe Kristie ever posted the scammer's ID. I think she wants to wait until everything is completely over and she knows it's absolutely safe to post it. Perhaps after the 45-day waiting period, we will find out.

I think if anyone has a buyer from Canada whom you suspect, perhaps PM'ing Kristie for now would be your best bet.

Why anyone, after spending five minutes in this eBay forum, would still ship internationally is absolutely beyond me! If your item is worth X to a legit international buyer then it will also be worth X (eventually) to a domestic buyer. Sellers have very few rights these days, and even fewer once you involve two countries. Why take the risk?

 

[Love Of My Life]

sadly speaking, scammers are worldwide and worldwise.. perhaps your risk factor

might be lowered because someone is in the states.. but if someone is going to

scam one.. they don't care where you live.. they just want the merchandise...

 

[Black Elite]

Why anyone, after spending five minutes in this eBay forum, would still ship internationally is absolutely beyond me! If your item is worth X to a legit international buyer then it will also be worth X (eventually) to a domestic buyer. Sellers have very few rights these days, and even fewer once you involve two countries. Why take the risk?

While I do get your point, shipping internationally can greatly increase your market volume (is this the correct term?)

Say you have 100 interested potential domestic buyers, by shipping internationally, you could add like, 1000 people to that number!! It could even start a bidding war, and you could get even more money than the "X" you proposed.

Still though, the risk is very great. The benefit of keeping it domestic is that I'm sure it'd be far easier to go after a scammer who is at least governed by the same powers as his/her seller.

I don't think that not shipping internationally is the answer. I think the answer lies in with fixing the PayPal issues.

 

[Black Elite]

sadly speaking, scammers are worldwide and worldwise.. perhaps your risk factor

might be lowered because someone is in the states.. but if someone is going to

scam one.. they don't care where you live.. they just want the merchandise...

It's like that old 3LW song, "playas, they gon' play..." and scammers, they gonna scam!

 

[Love Of My Life]

While I do get your point, shipping internationally can greatly increase your market volume (is this the correct term?)

Say you have 100 interested potential domestic buyers, by shipping internationally, you could add like, 1000 people to that number!! It could even start a bidding war, and you could get even more money than the "X" you proposed.

Still though, the risk is very great. The benefit of keeping it domestic is that I'm sure it'd be far easier to go after a scammer who is at least governed by the same powers as his/her seller.

I don't think that not shipping internationally is the answer. I think the answer lies in with fixing the PayPal issues.

as a seller, the seller has to determine if the agony is worth

the ecstacy of shipping a high priced item internationally..

the risk is just too great... an item like a Birkin or a Chanel

very easily could sell in the states for a good price.. PP needs

to re-evaluate their policies and their should be an independent

company to review a situation that just occurred with Krisitie..

PP really ignored all her documentation....what's that all about???

PP really just can't take the word of a buyer for this amount of

money.... PP just didn't do it right...and they make enough profit

to have a company authenticate merchandise...

 

[skislope15]

Im going to take a bit of offense to this, while I do understand why your saying what you did... I am Canadian, I purchase CL's and other high end items all the time on ebay, I would have to consider myself to be a really good buyer to deal with, never filed a case yet! I do realize that the international scamming does show up a bit more we have 25 million people in Canada and most of us aren't that bad.....

Why anyone, after spending five minutes in this eBay forum, would still ship internationally is absolutely beyond me! If your item is worth X to a legit international buyer then it will also be worth X (eventually) to a domestic buyer. Sellers have very few rights these days, and even fewer once you involve two countries. Why take the risk?